Justice League Lounge of Justice - Part 86

[chintai80]

Also we have to remember, it made $750M which means it had a good number of repeat viewers which means general audiences liked the movie even if critics/fans didnt.

must be the hot-topic crowd.

just kidding!

i enjoyed SS - i thought it had all the ingredients to make a good movie - just that Ayer was not given enough time to flesh out the story.

it felt like escape from new york meets ghostbusters starring some dc supervillians.
but inferior to those 2 movies because of the weak story and lack of tension, imo.

BoP just needs a better story and some better action scenes and it should be fine.

 

[frankgutz]

It had a big opening at around $133M and had a big 2nd weekend drop of 67%. I don’t really know if that would constitute good legs. And I often wonder how the GA *really* felt about it in hindsight. The fact that WB delayed the sequel for so long is a good indicator that they weren’t too confident with how it would be received.

LMAO!! They delayed the sequel because back then Gavin O'Connor (whom was suppose to direct the film) was working with the script for Suicide Squad 2 and it seemed like everything was going pretty good until, Hodson, made a script almost identical to Suicide Squad for Birds of Prey, WB gave green light to Margot's film and O'Connor dropped the project lol, this was discussed a lot back then



Since they lost the director and the story is basically a rip off of BOP they had to change everything, now that they have Gunn they more likely to start over again, this is a reason why its taking so long

 

[-Arya-]

LMAO!! They delayed the sequel because back then Gavin O'Connor (whom was suppose to direct the film) was working with the script for Suicide Squad 2 and it seemed like everything was going pretty good until, Hodson, made a script almost identical to Suicide Squad for Birds of Prey, WB gave green light to Margot's film and O'Connor dropped the project lol, this was discussed a lot back then


And now they probably waiting for Smith or do another script to start SS2 with Gunn

And why do you think WB would favor something untested like Birds of Prey over something that apparently worked like SS?

 

[Greenlite]

Thats because it was planned to go into production before WB knew the response to BvS and that’s why they aren’t doing anything like that ever again.

I’m aware it did well worldwide, but again if it was such a hit why didn’t WB sign up Ayer for the sequel right away?

I don't know why you're using the term "if" it's such a hit. You just said you're aware that it did well worldwide, it's an objective fact.

So I take that you do acknowledge it did fantastic in the USA right? 325M better than Deadpool 2+Xmas edition, and better legs than Civil War

and like you just said, they f***ed themselves with the JL schedule and eventually the reshoot, so WB or at least the Hamada team knows that if you take a critically panned movie that made a lot of money (other examples - TF) and make a sequel with the same director (still credited ZS) and gets another s***y score, and same characters it's game over.

So using the breakout character/actress who just got nominated for an Oscar in 2018 and put her in a different team and brand it as the first ever female team up movie with a female director and low budget is their way of retaining the audience from a movie that made 745M worldwide and ensure they don't repeat JL's situation of getting crappy RT and negative press from the director's name.

Other reasons for the sequel/spin off delays could be because Will and Margot are busy, JL underperformed so they need to re-think their plan and slow down, Ayer's probably not happy, and possibly O'Connor's story got stolen by BOP so they need another guy to come in and restart the whole thing again.

But it's not like they wait 5 years and make one spin off and call it a day. They are making a direct sequel plus a whole bunch of others with Harley, you only do that if you have some sort of a hit you know.

 

[frankgutz]

And why do you think WB would favor something untested like Birds of Prey over something that apparently worked like SS?

Because Margot signed a First-Look Deal with WB, they trust her, and Harley became really popular with SS, they probably getting money from her merch, this is why they greenlight her Harley Quinn project faster, plus there's no point doing another film with the same story, so SS had to be dealyed even more, they need to start over again.

We get it, fans hated SS but the film did good and brought money, Margot and Will were the faces of it, so im not really surprise tbh, this will do fine, Margot's Harley already have it's fanbase and MEW brings people too, with the low budget it have this will probably bank and get a sequel, im not worry at all. Fans are the ones melting down rn lol

 

[Greenlite]

One thing that will hinder BOP is the negative baggage of Suicide Squad. I hope it doesn’t end up like JL where most people didn’t really like BvS and therefore didn’t show up for JL.

And why do you think WB would favor something untested like Birds of Prey over something that apparently worked like SS?

Because BOP will be free of most of the SS baggage? lol

Let's come back to the post that started it all, Isn't that the initial point you're making?

 

[-Arya-]

Because BOP will be free of most of the SS baggage? lol

Let's come back to the post that started it all, Isn't that the initial point you're making?

I don’t think it will be entirely free of the baggage from SS. That is my point.

 

[kguillou]

@-Arya- has a point, something ive been saying for a while, WB has been slow with SS2 and they needed to really strike while the iron was hot. I think it even took a while for WB to even announce there would be a sequel as opposed to WW or AQ or even MoS when they jumped on it asap. I think its a sign that despite the surprisingly good BO, the studio was not that confident with the property overall.

 

[Greenlite]

I don’t think it will be entirely free of the baggage from SS. That is my point.

Ya that's why I said "free of most" and it'll only become a new JL IF it makes 40% RT or under and is marketed as a direct sequel from the last one and with the same director.

We shall see if they ignore the positives from SS and take the negatives, or vise verse in the next 13 month =)

 

[frankgutz]

I don’t think it will be entirely free of the baggage from SS. That is my point.

You would be surprise of how many people liked that film and Margot, no need to worry about that

I posted the 20 seconds as a status in my whats app and 4 friends asked me for the video and posted it too, they are excited about it, i really dont know about critics and fans, but yet, SS was trashed by them and did good numbers, so idk what baggage you're talking, probably critics trash talking but if the film is good people will go to see it, just like they did with Venom and Suicide Squad

 

[Greenlite]

@-Arya- has a point, something ive been saying for a while, WB has been slow with SS2 and they needed to really strike while the iron was hot. I think it even took a while for WB to even announce there would be a sequel as opposed to WW or AQ or even MoS when they jumped on it asap. I think its a sign that despite to good BO, the studio was not that confident with the property overall.

I think one of the hot topics in 2017 was whether SS2 will become the new JL box office wise, a few months later Hamada announces BOP lol (and have SS2 to come after that)

 

[-Arya-]

Ya that's why I said "free of most" and it'll only become a new JL IF it makes 40% RT or under and is marketed as a direct sequel from the last one and with the same director.

We shall see if they ignore the positives from SS and take the negatives, or vise verse in the next 13 month =)

Right and that is my fear. We agree overall...I think.

 

[frankgutz]

@-Arya- has a point, something ive been saying for a while, WB has been slow with SS2 and they needed to really strike while the iron was hot. I think it even took a while for WB to even announce there would be a sequel as opposed to WW or AQ or even MoS when they jumped on it asap. I think its a sign that despite the surprisingly good BO, the studio was not that confident with the property overall.

lol no! i already said the main issue with the script and the director dropping off the project

How are you going to fast track a film that it already have the same script of BOP and with no director, plus they need to cast an entire group, Harley wont be there, Will Smith is currently filmming Bad Boys 3 and before that he was busy with Aladdin, and both of them were the most liked characters? what's the point of rushing a film without your 2 biggest stars and without a director lmao

 

[Chip Chipperson]

No strong feelings on that BOP tease tbh.

Although Montoya and Black Canary intrigue me. Very stylized which could go either way, hope HQ has a few outfits that include something close to her traditional colors

 

[frankgutz]

We need to have fait fam at least for now Shazam! and BOP have low budgets which will get profit, i can see both films getting a sequel

 

[MbJ]

 

[kguillou]

No strong feelings on that BOP tease tbh.

Although Montoya and Black Canary intrigue me. Very stylized which could go either way, hope HQ has a few outfits that include something close to her traditional colors

Even though the teaser didnt do much for me, I’m still anticipating this. I think DC continuing to do these off kilter movies is what they are good at and should continue to do. A quirky, gritty, stylish, darkly comedic, R Rated romp starring Harley Quinn could break open a lot of doors. This could be DC’s, for lack of a better comparison, Blade or Deadpool.

Something for the older crowd, fans but also somethinng kids will want to sneak into.

 

[heatvision38]

NWR WW over that Jenkins' pseudo-MCU flick any f***ing day.

 

[heatvision38]

Avvy

Where's the link for this? Too many posts to go through to find the clip. Thanks.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

If the budget is as low as I’m reading, I’d rather they give us cool costumes over any big cgi or stuff like that.

Regardless, I’ll definitely keep an eye on this one.

 

[frankgutz]

Where's the link for this? Too many posts to go through to find the clip. Thanks.

 

[heatvision38]

Thanks. What are people supposedly freaking out about?

I also think Ewan is great casting for Black Mask. He can strike that right balance of an obnoxious yapper who still is a credible and intimating threat.

 

[frankgutz]

Thanks. What are people supposedly freaking out about?

Melting down because it has a SS vibe and the costumes are not like the comics

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Watching this Ted Bundy thing on Netflix rn

I don’t want to make assumptions or anything, but it seems like he was a real jerk!

 

[Greenlite]