Justice League Lounge of Justice - Part 88

[MbJ]

So what you're saying is, HBO Superman is far more likely.

 

[_Superman_]

JL and ZS's series would have pleased the niche fans and ordinary audiences and be a little unique thing but instead they put it on the mainstream platform and advertised it as the next MCU and that was the end of it, along with their greed for bonuses

I just am wondering how Snyder's JL truly looked when they are saying they weren't pleased with Swanp Thing and from the sound of it Doom Patrol and how they wanted it to be more like Arrow and Flash. I'm just really questioning their judgment right now.

 

[flickchick85]

So what you're saying is, HBO Superman is far more likely.

More likely than Batman? Absolutely! Actually likely, though? ...A girl can dream.

 

[kguillou]

We'd get a proper Batman/bat family and run really deep with his rogues

Though prob won't happen ever, at least not the next 10 years when Reeves is doing his movies

I’ve said many times I will happily forego Batman movies for a 13 episode TV series. The character and his world is so ripe for serialized storytelling. And you could start small scale and low budget with Batman as a vigilante taking on the mob and by season 7 he’s teaming up with the Justice League against extraterrestrial threats.

 

[-Arya-]

The only reason I’d see WB being hesitant for a Superman tv series is Supergirl currently on air with its own version of Superman plus Smallville which ended not too long ago.

 

[flickchick85]

I’ve said many times I will happily forego Batman movies for a 13 episode TV series. The character and his world is so ripe for serialized storytelling. And you could start small scale and low budget with Batman as a vigilante taking on the mob and by season 7 he’s teaming up with the Justice League against extraterrestrial threats.

This is me with Superman, lol. Like, screw movies, I want to see his day-to-day life at the Planet, investigating stories and connecting with humanity through his reporting, all his work relationships, his outside-work relationships (neighbors!), balancing his dual identities, all that stuff the movies don't really have time to dwell on.

 

[_Superman_]

This is me with Superman, lol. Like, screw movies, I want to see his day-to-day life at the Planet, investigating stories, all his work relationships, balancing his dual identities, all that stuff movies don't really have time to dwell on.

My only fear of this is given the WB way of thinking it will turn out more like Supergirl then anything else.

 

[flickchick85]

My only fear of this is given the WB way of thinking it will turn out more like Supergirl then anything else.

We're talking about HBO, though, lol. A 13-episode-per-season series with a budget. Money in the bank!

 

[kguillou]

This is me with Superman, lol. Like, screw movies, I want to see his day-to-day life at the Planet, investigating stories and connecting with humanity through his reporting, all his work relationships, his outside-work relationships (neighbors!), balancing his dual identities, all that stuff the movies don't really have time to dwell on.

I’d be so down for this. The problem is....that kinda takes the wind from Supergirl’s sails doesnt it.

 

[flickchick85]

I’d be so down for this. The problem is....that kinda takes the wind from Supergirl’s sails doesnt it.

Supergirl would be over by the time this airs, even if they started developing it tomorrow. HBO takes years to develop their shows, and I don't see Melissa continuing as SG once her contract's up. She's the only DC/CW lead who keeps busy with other roles and is clearly interested in doing other things. Plus, there will already be a new (hopefully successful) Supergirl movie franchise going at that time, so it will just feel like time to hang it up anyway.

 

[_Superman_]

We're talking about HBO, though, lol. A 13-episode-per-season series with a budget. Money in the bank!

You would think so but as proven nothing is a given with them.

 

[kguillou]

Thats kind of DC’s problem with their TV approach, theyre too reluctant to give people what they REALLY wanna see so they give us substitutes. “Hey you like Nolan’s gritty Batman? Check out Arrow! He’s like Nolan’s Batman! Billionaire playboy by day vigilante by ni— Okay okay fine, you dont like that...we’ll do a show about GOTHAM CITY......but a Batman prequel! So Batman’s not IN IT per se but all of his rogues and supporting cast are! Okay okay okay! We hear you! You wanna see the Bat hitting the streets and fighting crime. We gotchu, we’ll give you BATWOMAN! It just as good as Batman but with a feminist twist! Eh? Eh?!”

 

[MbJ]

They seem to have been loosening the restrictions somewhat, with Deathstroke going to be in Titans Season 2 and of course Cyborg in Doom Patrol.

Though one wonders how much that was motivated by both of those solo movies being dead in the water.

 

[-Arya-]

They seem to have been loosening the restrictions somewhat, with Deathstroke going to be in Titans Season 2 and of course Cyborg in Doom Patrol.

Though one wonders how much that was motivated by both of those solo movies being dead in the water.

Bingo.

 

[flickchick85]

Thats kind of DC’s problem with their TV approach, theyre too reluctant to give people what they REALLY wanna see so they give us substitutes. “Hey you like Nolan’s gritty Batman? Check out Arrow! He’s like Nolan’s Batman! Billionaire playboy by day vigilante by ni— Okay okay fine, you dont like that...we’ll do a show about GOTHAM CITY......but a Batman prequel! So Batman’s not IN IT per se but all of his rogues and supporting cast are! Okay okay okay! We hear you! You wanna see the Bat hitting the streets and fighting crime. We gotchu, we’ll give you BATWOMAN! It just as good as Batman but with a feminist twist! Eh? Eh?!”

I think their problem is two-fold: 1.) They look down on TV, and 2.) They look down on their non-Batman superheroes. They have antiquated notions about both. That's why they skew towards "dark and edgy" to make their characters "relevant" again, because they think they need to be "grown up" for movies, it's why they refuse to bring in any of their animation peeps to work on their live-action films, even though they're arguably the creatives under their umbrella who've understood these characters the best, and it's why they don't see the characters' potential on TV beyond the mild success they've had on the CW.

Thankfully, the successes of WW and AM seem to be changing their tune on the heroes front, but something else has to change their tune on the TV front.

 

[-Arya-]

Thankfully, the success of WW and AM seems to be changing their tune on the heroes, but something else has to change their tune on TV.

Stargirl might be it.

 

[MbJ]

I think their problem is two-fold: 1.) They look down on TV, and 2.) They look down on their non-Batman superheroes. They have antiquated notions about both. That's why they skew towards "dark and edgy" to make their characters "relevant" again, because they think they need to be "grown up" for movies, it's why they refuse to bring in any of their animation peeps to work on their live-action films, even though they're arguably the creatives under their umbrella who've understood these characters the best, and it's why they don't see the characters' potential on TV beyond the mild success they've had on the CW.

Thankfully, the successes of WW and AM seem to be changing their tune on the heroes front, but something else has to change their tune on the TV front.

You just made me sad realizing how much I'd like Paul Dini to be involved in these films. Dwayne McDuffie as well if he were still with us.

 

[kguillou]

I think their problem is two-fold: 1.) They look down on TV, and 2.) They look down on their non-Batman superheroes. They have antiquated notions about both. That's why they skew towards "dark and edgy" to make their characters "relevant" again, because they think they need to be "grown up" for movies, it's why they refuse to bring in any of their animation peeps to work on their live-action films, even though they're arguably the creatives under their umbrella who've understood these characters the best, and it's why they don't see the characters' potential on TV beyond the mild success they've had on the CW.

Thankfully, the successes of WW and AM seem to be changing their tune on the heroes front, but something else has to change their tune on the TV front.

Correct, Flick. I know we’re all bitter at Tsujihara right now but the man was the one who actually had faith in DC characters other than BAtman. Warner Bros pre-Tsjujihara was practically ashamed of their DC brand and refused to mine their library other than Batman and the occasional Superman movie or tv series every now and then. For better or worse Tsujihara at least was the one who got Wonder Woman and Aquaman greenlit. He realized these characters could be helming movies as big as Marvel’s characters are.

 

[flickchick85]

Stargirl might be it.

It's still the Berlanti crew so I'm not holding my breath on that one. I'm expecting more of the CW-with-a-budget-and-less-restrictions vibe that we got with Titans, but I'd love to be wrong.

 

[flickchick85]

You just made me sad realizing how much I'd like Paul Dini to be involved in these films. Dwayne McDuffie as well if he were still with us.

McDuffie was taken far too soon.

 

[-Arya-]

It's still the Berlanti crew so I'm not holding my breath on that one. I'm expecting more of the CW-with-a-budget-and-less-restrictions vibe that we got with Titans, but I'd love to be wrong.

True but that team was also involved on Doom Patrol. The critical factor in making DP what it was is the show runner Jeremy Carver. I wonder who the show runner on Stargirl is.

 

[flickchick85]

True but that team was also involved on Doom Patrol. The critical factor in making DP what it was is the show runner Jeremy Carver. I wonder who the show runner on Stargirl is.

I think I heard Johns was doing it himself, which...I don't know what to think of that, lol.

 

[Greenlite]

I think I heard Johns was doing it himself, which...I don't know what to think of that, lol.

That means the 5 H, Hope, Heroism, I can't remember the rest, horrible upper lips?

 

[Greenlite]

I just am wondering how Snyder's JL truly looked when they are saying they weren't pleased with Swanp Thing and from the sound of it Doom Patrol and how they wanted it to be more like Arrow and Flash. I'm just really questioning their judgment right now.

Ya, well, they wanted Whedon's cut within 2 hours and they got it!

Based on that, expect the same quality for the future of DC TV lol

I’ve said many times I will happily forego Batman movies for a 13 episode TV series. The character and his world is so ripe for serialized storytelling. And you could start small scale and low budget with Batman as a vigilante taking on the mob and by season 7 he’s teaming up with the Justice League against extraterrestrial threats.

That sounds delicious, I wonder why they don't do that when the bat cinematic run is finished and they have a few years to let HBO take over before rebooting in cinema again.

I really enjoyed Gotham's season 2 where you have an 11 episode arc of a villain and the entire season included the Joker trilogy and Riddler trilogy

CW does well with their fun cross overs so that's something HBO could go for if they get their hands on the library, a big event every 3-4 years

 

[_Superman_]

Personally I'm still hoping that if they reboot Superman that we'd get Calvin Ellis. If they went with him you'd pretty much have a clean slate and could practically do almost anything you'd want.