Sony Spin-Off Madame Web spin-off in the works

[Arachnerd]

Color me entirely unsurprised at the reviews for this. After over a decade, Sony continues to have no clue what to do with Spider-Man adjacent characters.

 

[antsman41]

This will be a cam rip watch ala Aquaman 2 for me.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I actually enjoyed Aquaman 2. It wasn't an amazing movie, but I enjoyed it more than any other DC film last year. It was just less good Aquaman, and that was entertaining enough

 

[Venom 1988]

Color me entirely unsurprised at the reviews for this. After over a decade, Sony continues to have no clue what to do with Spider-Man adjacent characters.

Honestly taking the MCU movies out of the equation, when you look all the Spider-Man movies, (spinoffs too), they have had more misses than hits. More and more it really does seem like they lucked out with Raimi and Lord & Miller. Though as we know, by the time Spider-Man 3 came along, Sony was trying to worm their way into the production more and more. And with the case of Spider-Verse, I'm willing to bet because it's animation, Sony didn't really interfer because it was seen as less than and they just left them alone (at least for the 1st movie anyway).

And as bad as ASM 2 is, there was still some semblance of trying to make an effort. With the spin offs, it's like they rolled out of bed and threw together a movie over a weekend.

 

[TheVileOne]

On the Ezekiel vs Morlun front, I don't think that part matters much. We are already doing a not old and not chair bound Madame Web movie. So Ezekiel is more than fine to use. It isnt like Ezekiel is a really well known character. Nor really is Morlun. Sure, comic fans know him, but he isnt a character your average movie goer knows anything about. But Ezekiel, Morlun, Santa Clause, whoever....Just make them interesting. Which the script by all accounts fails to do.

I mean if the goal is to make the worst movie possible, then yes it's fine. If you want to use cool, more logical and natural characters, then no.

 

[TheVileOne]

I dont at all see how Kraven looks any better than Morbius or Madame Web. I really don't. Deadpool & Wolverine I am much more interested in. Kraven isn't going to be fun B-movie shlock. It's just going to be another awful entry in the Spiderverse pantheon of garbage that isn't lucky enough to have Tom Hardy to make the garbage somehow work. Like, I have seen that Kraven trailer. And I just don't see this movie some of yall are trying to picture. This looks like an easy 15% on RT type of movie

I think Kraven is going to try to lure more viewers with the R-rating by saying it's cooler, darker, more violent and intense. That was definitely the vibe I got from CinemaCon presentation. Aaron Taylor Johnson was in the intro saying, "So everyone is asking, is the movie going to be R-rated? *Blank* Yeah!" or something to that effect.

What weirded me out, I didn't know there was this big debate about Kraven needing to be R-rated. It wasn't exactly like Deadpool or Venom which fans were specifically calling for wanting to see them get R-ratings.

 

[samsnee]

So is Adam Scott playing Ben Parker or not? That’s the only thing I care about

 

[Comicbookguy339]

@TheVileOne Is it true that they never actually suit up and we only see the costumes in dream sequences?

 

[psylockolussus]

I was planning to watch this today (Valentines) but I'm going to reserve this til weekend (when there's more people in cinemas). Btw, I'm only watching this in the cinemas because I prefer to watch in the big screen when it comes to Marvel films, and I wouldn't have the urge to check my phone every 5 minutes unlike when I'm at home.

That Rotten Tomatoes rating is awful.

 

[GwensNeckBrace]

I wish Sony would fire Pascal but it'll never happen

These spin-offs are tainting the Spider-Man and Marvel brand and are actively contributing to audiences mass interest in superhero films

 

[psylockolussus]

I wish Sony would fire Pascal but it'll never happen

These spin-offs are tainting the Spider-Man and Marvel brand and are actively contributing to audiences mass interest in superhero films

Yeah the state of Marvel films would be better without Venom, Morbius, Venom 2, Madame Web and Kraven the Hunter.

Sony has become the new FoX, and sadly unless Disney buys the film rights from Sony or acquire Sony Pictures, we would just get more. Watch them fast track a live action Miles Morales movie, Venom & Spider-Man movie and a live action Spider-Gwen movie, when Kraven the Hunter flops in August.

 

[Venom 1988]

I wish Sony would fire Pascal but it'll never happen

Technically they already did back in 2015 due to the hack situation. She doesn't actually work for Sony anymore. Her production company just makes movies for Sony. And the reason why she's still involved in the Spider-Man movies is because as part of the updated Spidey deals, her production company would help produce them. She basically prepped a golden parachute for herself knowing her days were numbered at Sony.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Sony needs to pull the plug on this nonsense and just let Marvel/Disney make their live action Spider-Man movies for them. For **** sake.

 

[Mysteryman]

Sony needs to pull the plug on this nonsense and just let Marvel/Disney make their live action Spider-Man movies for them. For **** sake.

Sony's Not Going To Do That.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I wish Sony would fire Pascal but it'll never happen

These spin-offs are tainting the Spider-Man and Marvel brand and are actively contributing to audiences mass interest in superhero films

Tom Rothman is probably the bigger problem at Sony. That man hates comic book movies and is one of the main reasons why FOX put out so many duds (Daredevil, Fantastic Four (all three films), X-Men 3 & X-Men Origins: Wolverine) in the 2000s.

 

[Lily Adler]

With greatness, comes the power of responsibility.
Coming empowers greatness in a responsible way.
With responsive power coming is great.

Great power embiggens the responsible man!

 

[Terrorizer]

So, I suppose Madame Web is releasing on digital in couple of weeks...

 

[LoganPool]

This movie might be bad... but am I the only one that enjoyed Morbius? And both Venom movies were fun watches. So in my book Sony is 3/4. And Kraven looks like a blast!

 

[Spider-Fan]

I mean if the goal is to make the worst movie possible, then yes it's fine. If you want to use cool, more logical and natural characters, then no.

If this movie had the same script and writing team and all the same setup and such, but Ezekiel was now a character named Morlun and he more or less had the same motivations, would this movie have been much better? If the answer is no, then it doesn't matter.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Another thing that annoys me is the marketing keeps saying this movie is "grounded in reality" and that phrase is so misused it's unbearable. Grounded in reality doesn't mean you don't have superhero costumes or the sillier things people associate with comics. That's what these filmmakers define it as, and that shows their idiocy.

When Richard Donner made Superman, that film is grounded in reality, but Superman has all his powers, the absurd outfit, an eccentric alien planet, etc. But it grounds the fantastical in things people understand. At its core, Superman is a movie about a farm boy who doesn't know what his destiny is and what he should do with his life, and then moves into the big city and finds his footing and romance. People may not understand the crystal world or how Superman works logically, but they understand the idea of a man growing up. Luke Skywalker lives on an alien world with robots, but dreams of adventure away from his home that he is denied. We get THAT!

Your super hero film doesn't have to look super real or throw away the fantastical to be credible. It needs you to provide me a reason to care about it's characters, it's themes, and relate it to our experience as human beings. That's what it's SUPPOSED to mean! This film just used that phrase as nonsensical branding.

Madame Web stole the plot of Terminator, but what is Terminator about? It's about motherhood and the fears of being a parent who is responsible for another human being. Sarah is told she is effectively having the most important baby ever, and she doesn't know how she cam be a parent like that and it's a lot of pressure. THAT'S why we care. It isn't the robot or the cool action that really hooks us, it's that personal struggle. Just being a pastiche of that plot without the heart doesn't do it. If you're going to rip off a movie, at least understand why it's actually good. Just stealing the base plot and making a soulless shell for content isn't going to be like Field of Dreams where if you build it, they will come. People will only come If you give them a reason to

Superhero films don't need to be edgy or crap to be good. They don't need to be ashamed of their origins. They need to be relatable to the human experience. Learn what things actually mean Hollywood

 

[Spider-Fan]

Or if people want me to pick something not regarded as a classic, let's look at the 1st Bay Transformers. Why did audiences connect with that one and allow it to launch 4 awful sequels? It wasn't the toyetic robots, it was the boy and his car story. People can connect with getting that first piece of crap car that you love cause it's yours and gives you a freedom you never before experienced in your life. The sequels lose this element quite badly, but this idea is what made it popular in the first place.

If you're making these crappy Spider-Man spinoffs without Spider-Man, find your way into the story. Justify it for your audience that makes them care about your movie and not miss Spider-Man. All Sony is doing is exploiting their license to pump out content cause Marvel made money. That's it. They have zero soul and feel like they were made by AI.

 

[Arachnerd]

This movie might be bad... but am I the only one that enjoyed Morbius? And both Venom movies were fun watches. So in my book Sony is 3/4. And Kraven looks like a blast!

I like the first Venom movie, but that's about it. Let There Be Carnage was severely underwhelming for me and Morbius is pretty much a dull chore to sit through minus the one Matt Smith scene.

 

[Spider-Fan]

This movie might be bad... but am I the only one that enjoyed Morbius? And both Venom movies were fun watches. So in my book Sony is 3/4. And Kraven looks like a blast!

Morbius was an abysmal movie. Matt Smith was great in his not giving a flying crap and just having a good time performance. But otherwise, it was just awful. Kraven I just can't see what some of yall see, lol! It just looks like garbage to me

 

[psylockolussus]

I saw this movie tonight and my biggest gripe about the film is

Spoiler

why the Spider Girls wanted to kill Ezekiel in the first place? And if Ezekiel's dream was a premonition or not? I'm confused.

I don't think the movie is so bad. But this felt like a 2hour series premiere and not really a movie. I think one of the girls that were being protected could have been cut. I also don't get why it was 3 girls rather just 1 girl that Cassie was saving from being killed, they could have developed that 1 person more and deepen her relationship/bond with Cassie.

For me, the part where it got really bad was when Cassie went to Peru and suddenly this guy showed up to eXplain everything to her, and then in the climaX she suddenly got a new power. I was kinda confused by it. It also doesn'thelp that those 3 girls haven't received their spider power yet... like that was such an odd choice.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I have a hard time understanding what Sony's plan is at this point (if there is one at all). If they wanted to build to a Sinister Six-type movie then they've already failed because two of their building blocks are outright disasters. Not only would people not be excited for a crossover featuring this version of Morbius or these Spider-Women, Sony probably won't even be able to get the actors back.

And if the plan is to just make stand-alone movies (based on the recent interviews they seemingly want to pivot away from a shared universe) then making cheap villain-focused movies is not gonna bring in any significant amounts of money.

I've also seen people suggest that the only reason these movies exist is because they help Sony hold onto the Spider-Man rights. Now, what we do know is that in order to hold on to the Spidey rights, Sony must commence production on a new Spider-Man film within three years & nine months and release it within five years & nine months after the release of the preceding film.

What we don't know, however, is whether these villain movies extend this deal or not. And even if they do then Sony putting out three of them in the same year indicates that holding on to the rights is not their only motivation.

Maybe it's just pure incompetence.