Comics MAJOR Spider-Man spoilers involving Civil War

[Norman Osborn]

. If he does go public and something goes wrong in my eyes there is only one character to blame, and that is poor Aunt May.

Yes cause Lord knows if Aunt May says it's all right....well what could possibly happen??...I can see it now.....MJ hanging impaled on Ock's tentacle and Pete saying "Great Aunt May...last freaking time I listen to you!!"

When I first read Spiderman- "The Origin"......I felt bad for Pete...who wouldn't, a life lesson on Power and Responsibility and for the rest of his life he has to live with the fact that his Uncle Ben died because he chose to do nothing!.....I think I felt even worse when Gwen died...Pete doing the right thing and still losing someone he loves because some maniac learned his identity......

....this time around though....it's a little different.....if someone gets hurt or dies because of the decision of unmasking....well how can you feel bad for the guy when someone god saw fit to bestow the IQ of a shovel on, could see that coming a mile away??..."Whoops" isn't a life lesson!!"

 

[ben_reilly_s_s]

5) To me Stark has seemed pretty honest with Peter. He has not done anything to indanger him or his family and has done lots to make sure that Peter and his family are safe.

The only thing that Stark manipulated Pete with was by hiring Titanium Man. Other than that, yea, he's been honest.

 

[SpideyInATree]

That is correct

So Spidey should accept that additional risk to his family because Stark has an army of IRON Men?...or because he's done such a bang up job protecting them thus far?......

he has that without revealing himself....just has to register

You are correct...Spidey doesn't kill....it's against his moral code....what's your point?...you've actually added weight to my argument....one of the only criminals that's ever known Pete ...has killed his loved one!!....with that knowledge he decides revealing himself to 100 criminals is the right thing?

Robbie and Urich are a threat to Spider-man?.....I have to ask again...what's your point....my beef aint the millions of non super villains he's telling....as for Venom and GG2.... he didn't reveal himself to them.....they found out.....once they found out.,.....his moral code (as you yourself attested to) wouldn't allow him to kill them......using this logic since he didn't kill one Venom he should have no qualms about telling 100's of other criminals?...let them have a crack at the parker family

Protection?....like when they stopped Man-wolf from attacking May and MJ.?...or like when they stopped that Machine Man reject from the "Other" from walking in and having a pb sandwich with May??...or like when they protected MJ from Morlun?....or like....aww forget it"

Nobody is saying any of them will...... why risk it if you don't have to?

I'm not denying that unmasking Spidey has potential for some short term excitement....my beef's how they got the mask off and the long term ramification of this possibly ending up like Clone Saga 2

Listern I respect your opinion....I just vehemently disagree with it!! ...so for now I'll agree to disagree with you.....but just one last word...

you keep saying unmasking is the right thing to do.......Your family comes first and foremost...not your friends......I don't care how much you feel you owe them....

...and although I admit that unmasking spidey has short term benefits...I fear this is simply Marvel trying to create another Uncle Ben/Gwen Stacy moment.....!!......someones gonna die

I respect your opinion as well. And I know we won't agree, I'm merely just giving you my feelings and thoughts on the situation. We're thinking from two different sides. I'm not the traditional Spider-Man fan.

I liked the Clone Saga. I wanted Ben Reilly to replace Peter Parker and I had no problem that the clone was the one going on all those past adventures.

And I wanted Peter Parker to take that damn mask off and show the world who he really is.

And I brought up Ben Urich and Robbie Robertson because they're reporters. Not because they were threats but because they didn't see Peter changing into Spider-Man, THEY FIGURED IT OUT! Now, not every single human being living in New York City is stupid.

You mean to tell me that other people couldn't have figured it out? That there wouldn't be groups of people through all these years wondering and obsessing over Spider-Man's identity? I mean, come on, this guy Peter Parker takes these amazing photos of Spider-Man, he's basically the ONLY one who gets these photos....yet, how does he get them?

Hmm.

You see what I mean? Yes, I know it's a comic book and they're just stories. But some people are really, really upset about this as if Spider-Man's mask is someone what makes the character.

To me, what makes Spider-Man special is PETER PARKER. The life of Peter Parker, balancing his personal life and Spider-Man. How many people could, seriously, balance two lives for over a decade without anybody catching onto it?

And with the current storyline being what it is. If you don't expect Spider-Man to unmask...you're insane. Because if they didn't do it this way, then I'm sure they were going to have the other heroes hunt him down, kick his ass, and then unmask his ass that way.

But they actually have made a nice story out of this and one that is turning out to be quite emotional, in my opinion. It's a big deal for Peter to do this and it's a big deal for Spider-Man fans.

But I don't understand the animosity and the "I'm dropping all Marvel titles" because of this.

As I said earlier...I see this as the perfect set up to set Spider-Man back up with the way things were before he went to The Avengers and revealed his identity. He's most likely, at the end of Civil War, going to leave the Avengers and become a solo hero again...realizing in the first place why he never associated himself with the other heroes...because he never saw eye to eye with them on matters.

They could say that Uncle Ben molested Peter when he was younger. How about a story like that? Hahaha.

 

[Compi716]

Spidey's identity has been revealed, in what I feel is the stupidest move in comic book history. Now, fans are left wondering "How in the HELL is Marvel going to make this work?" I think I've come up with a semi-solution (or potential solution).

Spider-Man: BORN AGAIN.

Yes, that is the title of the CLASSIC Daredevil story, where his identity was revealed to his greatest foe. And what happened to Murdock? He disappeared. Nobody knew where he was. He was REBORN.

Spidey's enemies know his true identity. I think it could be time for some brilliant story telling. Whatever the story may be, I think that Spider-Man needs to "die" and be "reborn."

He needs to be BORN AGAIN.

This, I feel, may be the only way to save our favorite hero. I can only hope that whatever Marvel does, they pull it off.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Spidey's identity has been revealed, in what I feel is the stupidest move in comic book history. Now, fans are left wondering "How in the HELL is Marvel going to make this work?" I think I've come up with a semi-solution (or potential solution).

Spider-Man: BORN AGAIN.

Yes, that is the title of the CLASSIC Daredevil story, where his identity was revealed to his greatest foe. And what happened to Murdock? He disappeared. Nobody knew where he was. He was REBORN.

Spidey's enemies know his true identity. I think it could be time for some brilliant story telling. Whatever the story may be, I think that Spider-Man needs to "die" and be "reborn."

He needs to be BORN AGAIN.

This, I feel, may be the only way to save our favorite hero. I can only hope that whatever Marvel does, they pull it off.

Spider-Man just recently died and reborn in The Other just about 3 to 4 months ago.

There are a lot of ways to take it back. If anybody is reading Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and didn't abandon the book because they ACTUALLY THOUGHT Uncle Ben was returning, and noticed the "Retcon bombs" and the different timelines, etc. There goes ONE WAY.

You've got the favor that Loki owes to Spider-Man from earlier in JMS' run on the Amazing Spider-Man.

And there's always Doctor Strange.

Time Machines.

Paradoxes.

Mind Wipes.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

 

[Trask]

Spider-Man just recently died and reborn in The Other just about 3 to 4 months ago.

There are a lot of ways to take it back. If anybody is reading Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, and didn't abandon the book because they ACTUALLY THOUGHT Uncle Ben was returning, and noticed the "Retcon bombs" and the different timelines, etc. There goes ONE WAY.

You've got the favor that Loki owes to Spider-Man from earlier in JMS' run on the Amazing Spider-Man.

And there's always Doctor Strange.

Time Machines.

Paradoxes.

Mind Wipes.

Etc.

Etc.

Etc.

Or he could just go to the Sentry and ask him to make the whole world forget, after all he has done it at least twice before. I am surprised that no one has mentioned using the Sentry as a method of solving this little problem, since to me it seems the most logical and easiest path to take. Also Loki is dead, and even if he was not, I dont think he would honor that favor of his.

 

[SpideyStu2]

Can I ask a stupid question that I haven't seen posted yet?

Aren't heroes that go along with the SuperHero Registration Act supposed to register with only the government? Why in the hell does Peter do it to the entire media and not just the government of the US? Forget about the secret getting out if he did tell just the government in the first place but whey does Peter go all out? Was that Tony wanting him to make it public?

 

[Trask]

Can I ask a stupid question that I haven't seen posted yet?

Aren't heroes that go along with the SuperHero Registration Act supposed to register with only the government? Why in the hell does Peter do it to the entire media and not just the government of the US? Forget about the secret getting out if he did tell just the government in the first place but whey does Peter go all out? Was that Tony wanting him to make it public?

His Aunt dragged him by the ear to the press confrence and made him tell the whole world who he is.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Can I ask a stupid question that I haven't seen posted yet?

Aren't heroes that go along with the SuperHero Registration Act supposed to register with only the government? Why in the hell does Peter do it to the entire media and not just the government of the US? Forget about the secret getting out if he did tell just the government in the first place but whey does Peter go all out? Was that Tony wanting him to make it public?

Since Peter is employed by Tony Stark now, and once the accident in Stamford happened, Tony knew that the Act was going to go through. He asked Peter to be by his side while they fought through this and needed him as Peter Parker AND Spider-Man. Tony didn't force Peter to reveal his ID, but suggested that if Peter wanted to continue what he was doing with Stark that he'd have to go public.

In Amazing Spider-Man # 532 Peter, MJ, and Aunt May basically talk all about it. Peter is beside himself and doesn't want to do it. He wants to change his name and run away so no one can find them. But Aunt May convinces Peter that he should reveal himself so the people know who saved all those lives through the years. Aunt May then sews up his classic red and blues and Spidey reveals his ID.

 

[SpideyStu2]

Gotcha, thanks. Now that he's known publicly and is at Tony's side I wonder if that means he has to keep wearing the red and gold spider-suit.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Gotcha, thanks. Now that he's known publicly and is at Tony's side I wonder if that means he has to keep wearing the red and gold spider-suit.

He'll still be wearing the Iron Spidey costume. There is a cover of Civil War # 5 floating around and he's in the red and gold duds. I think he was in his classic suit just for the press conference so people there were familiar with something...as it was a pretty momentous occassion...in the fantasy world of Spidey AND the real world.

 

[3dman27]

pete used the claasic [REAL] sidersuit to hide his id for years it seemed onlt apropriat to him to wear it when he revaled himself to the world as for that maybe pete thought the law now required a public revelation

 

[OzzyKP]

Though the new suit can take on whatever design he wants. So if he wants the suit to look like the classic red & blue, or black, or even the scarlett spider costume, he can just by thinking about it.

 

[Miss Webb]

Hmm, let's see now.

People want change, but only the change that fits THEIR fantasy. No reason why editorial staffs don't know everyone's fantasy of what the main character should be.

Next.

Oh no, they're not against change. Just STUPID change. Ok, stupid change by what definition.

Next.

The 'real' Spidey fans want this, want that. Oh yeah?

Next.

"Real' Spidey fans spout about the 'old days' not realizing those storylines won't translate too good now. Unless revised to a current format.

Next.

These same Spidey fans kneejerk no end, freaking and panicking. Ride it out, see what happens.

Next.

Joey Q and company sit back, rake in the cash and laugh while handfuls of angry posters rant on. Some rants are legit, some are just crap.

But the cash still rolls in.

Newer fans and/or new fans may not understand the fuss. Older fans bored with the status quo want to see something new and different.

And if anyone is wondering why the posts are so negative, its easy...the people who don't like the changes are doing all the posting. Everyone else is just reading.

Next.

 

[Captivated]

^
Well, THAT was obnoxious.

 

[shinlyle]

Hmm, let's see now.

People want change, but only the change that fits THEIR fantasy. No reason why editorial staffs don't know everyone's fantasy of what the main character should be.

Next.

Oh no, they're not against change. Just STUPID change. Ok, stupid change by what definition.

Next.

The 'real' Spidey fans want this, want that. Oh yeah?

Next.

"Real' Spidey fans spout about the 'old days' not realizing those storylines won't translate too good now. Unless revised to a current format.

Next.

These same Spidey fans kneejerk no end, freaking and panicking. Ride it out, see what happens.

Next.

Joey Q and company sit back, rake in the cash and laugh while handfuls of angry posters rant on. Some rants are legit, some are just crap.

But the cash still rolls in.

Newer fans and/or new fans may not understand the fuss. Older fans bored with the status quo want to see something new and different.

And if anyone is wondering why the posts are so negative, its easy...the people who don't like the changes are doing all the posting. Everyone else is just reading.

Next.

Are you done? You all finished? Goodie.

We apologize for the interruption.
We now resume our regularly scheduled thread, aleady in progress.

 

[shinlyle]

^
Well, THAT was obnoxious.

You left out "pointless".

Apparently, it's another person who thinks everyone should just sit back and say only happy positive things, or say nothing at all.

We've NEVER heard that one before, huh?

 

[Norman Osborn]

You left out "pointless".

Apparently, it's another person who thinks everyone should just sit back and say only happy positive things, or say nothing at all.

We've NEVER heard that one before, huh?

I never heard it yet "TODAY"....oh wait....never mind..my bad!

 

[Cullen]

Hmm, let's see now.

People want change, but only the change that fits THEIR fantasy. No reason why editorial staffs don't know everyone's fantasy of what the main character should be.

Next.

Oh no, they're not against change. Just STUPID change. Ok, stupid change by what definition.

Next.

The 'real' Spidey fans want this, want that. Oh yeah?

Next.

"Real' Spidey fans spout about the 'old days' not realizing those storylines won't translate too good now. Unless revised to a current format.

Next.

These same Spidey fans kneejerk no end, freaking and panicking. Ride it out, see what happens.

Next.

Joey Q and company sit back, rake in the cash and laugh while handfuls of angry posters rant on. Some rants are legit, some are just crap.

But the cash still rolls in.

Newer fans and/or new fans may not understand the fuss. Older fans bored with the status quo want to see something new and different.

And if anyone is wondering why the posts are so negative, its easy...the people who don't like the changes are doing all the posting. Everyone else is just reading.

Next.

This old fan wants to see something new and different. He wants to see stories told because they're good stories, and not as marketing stunts. He wants to see actual fans of the character to explain how all of this is is a "good" story and not some plot hammered piece of junk, instead of whine insecently about so-called negative posters. He also would like someone to explain why anyone should ever sit back and "ride out" any story after crap epics like "Sins Past" and "The Other."

In case you've missed it, the status quo has already be changed. Repeatedly for the past few years. We've had new powers, then new powers, then new suit, now this. At this point a Spider-man story with no change in the status quo would be a change in the status quo.

But I speak needlessly. You're not here for discussing the stories. You're not here to tall about the character. You're here to make ever so witty post like the one above to show how much better you are than everyone else here. By making "clever" observations that keep coming up each and everytime some great and glorious new change occurs.

Because Lord only knows how that's an improvement over what we're doing.

Next.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

I can be obnoxious too... I think...

Hmm, let's see now.

People want change, but only the change that fits THEIR fantasy. No reason why editorial staffs don't know everyone's fantasy of what the main character should be.

Not really, my spidey fantasy involves mary jane and black cat and a lot of web fluid... I'd never see Marvel doing that... but I'd rather have Spider-man stories that don't mess up the characters...

Oh no, they're not against change. Just STUPID change. Ok, stupid change by what definition.

Stupid change... How about trying to create an event in the past, that was cronologically impossible, then changing Goblin's motivation to attack Gwen from She's leverage agaisnt parker to child custody battle... Having Spidey reborn, again after being reborn, during dissassembled... How about giving spidey a bunch of powers that are rendered useless by the iron suit and common sense... talking to insects... anyone? Whee Spidey is now a superpowered ANTMAN!! WHEE!!

The 'real' Spidey fans want this, want that. Oh yeah?

"Real' Spidey fans spout about the 'old days' not realizing those storylines won't translate too good now. Unless revised to a current format.

It is because back then stories had... *Gasp!* Substance, not bunch of pretty art filled with umms... uhhhs... and errs... and stories sometimes could be resolved in...*gasp!* ONE ISSUE!! plus they BELIEVED IN CONTINUITY... Right now Ewdards are being called Edwins... Arms that heal instantly... If the current format is disregard for continuity, and winging it... No wonder we're in the turd age of comics...

These same Spidey fans kneejerk no end, freaking and panicking. Ride it out, see what happens.

What else is left to destroy... They've raped the origin, the character, the supporting characters... oh yeah The only thing left is the marriage... Besides Joe Q and Co. are kinda *****ing that Spidey has no supporting cast, like...*OMIGOSH!* THE OLD DAYS... even though THEY were the ones who alienated Peter form his old cast... Besides why am I gonna ride crap that rapes a fictional character that I love? That's like being a Christopher Reeve fan and watch the kryptonite laced horse incident again and again...

Joey Q and company sit back, rake in the cash and laugh while handfuls of angry posters rant on. Some rants are legit, some are just crap.
But the cash still rolls in.

Well... DUUUUUHHHH!! Marvel is a business they MUST rake in cash... besides most of it is coming from liscensing to movies, videogames, toys, clothing, etc. not so much from the comics...
You're ranting on other's rants so that doesn't make you better...

Newer fans and/or new fans may not understand the fuss. Older fans bored with the status quo want to see something new and different.

Because they're new... once you get through Spider-man's history you MIGHT notice that something is wrong right now... but if you are like Marvel right now Disregarding what happened earlier, you're missing some great stuff...

And if anyone is wondering why the posts are so negative, its easy...the people who don't like the changes are doing all the posting. Everyone else is just reading.
Next.

Bah! Humbug! What about unmasking supporters only! JMS is truly great!! and other few threads that are happy with what's going on right now... If you don't like the threads her you can go to Newarama, where everyone makes sweet love to Joe Quesada... and you're banned for disagreeing with him... Besides you're *****ing about us *****ing so you've stopped reading!!!

Final thoughts: I love Spidey, I guess you love Spidey as well, otherwise you wouldn't be posting on a Spidey board... Unfortnuately what's happened to Spidey in these recent years has driven me waay away from BUYING THE COMICS... why? because ALL THESE "EVENTS" have been stunts to raise the sales a bit, then retconned or thrown into oblivion... So what's the point of these six to twelve to lots of issues events just to be retconned by Wanda, Strange, Beyonder, Whatever Deus Ex Machina they've got so the next "BIG EVENT" shatters the core of yadda yadda... the perverse cycle continues... Is it hard to create down to Earth Stories that don't shatter cores, yet being entertaining... I can enjoy new villains, when they're not a crappy Morbius wannabe that's trying to eat spidey's balls... Eye balls that is... then are called The toguhest fight Spidey (Who HAS battled Juggernaut in the past... If you'd bothered to look into past stories) ever had?!
I can enjoy new stories that don't involve cheating dead girlfriends, Norman's "Magnetism" and Peter Parker becoming the Spider-Jesus... The KISS Concept IS IT TOO HARD FOR MARVEL to Keep It Simple Stupid?
Take Care of yourselves and each other...

JERRY! JERRY! JERRY! JERRY!

 

[Miss Webb]

Or he could just go to the Sentry and ask him to make the whole world forget, after all he has done it at least twice before. I am surprised that no one has mentioned using the Sentry as a method of solving this little problem, since to me it seems the most logical and easiest path to take. Also Loki is dead, and even if he was not, I dont think he would honor that favor of his.

Hmm, not exactly. Loki's in another dimension, you could said. A floating head with no body.

 

[Grim Goblin]

Hmm, let's see now.

People want change, but only the change that fits THEIR fantasy. No reason why editorial staffs don't know everyone's fantasy of what the main character should be.

Next.

Oh no, they're not against change. Just STUPID change. Ok, stupid change by what definition.

Next.

The 'real' Spidey fans want this, want that. Oh yeah?

Next.

"Real' Spidey fans spout about the 'old days' not realizing those storylines won't translate too good now. Unless revised to a current format.

Next.

These same Spidey fans kneejerk no end, freaking and panicking. Ride it out, see what happens.

Next.

Joey Q and company sit back, rake in the cash and laugh while handfuls of angry posters rant on. Some rants are legit, some are just crap.

But the cash still rolls in.

Newer fans and/or new fans may not understand the fuss. Older fans bored with the status quo want to see something new and different.

And if anyone is wondering why the posts are so negative, its easy...the people who don't like the changes are doing all the posting. Everyone else is just reading.

Next.

you're actually serious aren't you?

wow... That would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Oh what the hell, I'll laugh anyway BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

[Doc Destruction]

Oh man...10 points for a Bwahaha reference.

 

[Herr Logan]

This old fan wants to see something new and different. He wants to see stories told because they're good stories, and not as marketing stunts. He wants to see actual fans of the character to explain how all of this is is a "good" story and not some plot hammered piece of junk, instead of whine insecently about so-called negative posters. He also would like someone to explain why anyone should ever sit back and "ride out" any story after crap epics like "Sins Past" and "The Other."

In case you've missed it, the status quo has already be changed. Repeatedly for the past few years. We've had new powers, then new powers, then new suit, now this. At this point a Spider-man story with no change in the status quo would be a change in the status quo.

But I speak needlessly. You're not here for discussing the stories. You're not here to tall about the character. You're here to make ever so witty post like the one above to show how much better you are than everyone else here. By making "clever" observations that keep coming up each and everytime some great and glorious new change occurs.

Because Lord only knows how that's an improvement over what we're doing.

Next.

Bad.

Ass.

Post.

 

[Wolvenom2099]

Is it a fact that spider-man did unmask, I've seen pictures of frontline #2 but I don't know if they are real or not. Please someone let me know.