Making the Nolan trilogy fit into the EU

[Batsfan1]

I've always imagined a potential post credits scene for MOS to be this:

Fade back in from the credits to a tv playing news footage of the battle of Metropolis. Someone is watching it.

The door to the apartment opens and a woman enters. We only follow her feet on the floor as she kicks off her high heels and drops her bag on the floor as well. She walks into the bathroom or something.

We follow close up shots as she applies makeup. Blush on the cheeks. Lipstick on the lips.

WOMAN: I made a reservation at that resturant by the river. Unless you want to stay in tonight.

Takes off the pearl necklace and sets it into it's case. Slips off her dress.

The someone continues watching the news footage intently.

The woman starts a hot bath as she puts her hair up and unsnaps her bra. We only see this from behind. No nudity, obviously.

WOMAN: It could be fun.

She becomes concerned at him not answering and pokes her head from outside of the bathroom door. Revealing herself to be Anne Hathaway's Selina Kyle.

SELINA: Do you even hear me? Bruce?

The man watching the news footage is Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne. He temporarily redirects his attention to Selina.

SELINA: Is everything okay?

BRUCE: No.

He puts his attention back onto the news footage as his face becomes steely with resolve.

BRUCE: No, it's not.

CUT TO BLACK.


Have a very great day everyone!



God bless everyone!

 

[CaptainWagner]

Those "de-powered, ultra-realistic, watered down" movies are far better received by audiences, fans, and critics alike than the DCCU's offerings so far, and one of them (TDK) is still considered the best CBM of all 8 years later.

You'd get more people anticipating another Batman round with Nolan than you would another "comic booky" helping from the DCCU right now. As it stands Nolan's Batman would be a far more effective addition to the DCCU than their own version, who was portrayed as an idiot.

I don't see how that matters. Just make good movies in the DCEU. The Nolan movies had no room for the super powers and other comic-booky elements, and it would not feel right shoehorning in real superheroes to that world.

Besides the fact that a significant portion of both fans, critics, and the GA prefer Battfleck to Bale after just one movie. (I can't think of any examples to somehow show the Nolan version was "smarter" than Battfleck)

 

[shauner111]

I've always imagined a potential post credits scene for MOS to be this:

Fade back in from the credits to a tv playing news footage of the battle of Metropolis. Someone is watching it.

The door to the apartment opens and a woman enters. We only follow her feet on the floor as she kicks off her high heels and drops her bag on the floor as well. She walks into the bathroom or something.

We follow close up shots as she applies makeup. Blush on the cheeks. Lipstick on the lips.

WOMAN: I made a reservation at that resturant by the river. Unless you want to stay in tonight.

Takes off the pearl necklace and sets it into it's case. Slips off her dress.

The someone continues watching the news footage intently.

The woman starts a hot bath as she puts her hair up and unsnaps her bra. We only see this from behind. No nudity, obviously.

WOMAN: It could be fun.

She becomes concerned at him not answering and pokes her head from outside of the bathroom door. Revealing herself to be Anne Hathaway's Selina Kyle.

SELINA: Do you even hear me? Bruce?

The man watching the news footage is Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne. He temporarily redirects his attention to Selina.

SELINA: Is everything okay?

BRUCE: No.

He puts his attention back onto the news footage as his face becomes steely with resolve.

BRUCE: No, it's not.

CUT TO BLACK.


Have a very great day everyone!



God bless everyone!

I don't see how that matters. Just make good movies in the DCEU. The Nolan movies had no room for the super powers and other comic-booky elements, and it would not feel right shoehorning in real superheroes to that world.

Besides the fact that a significant portion of both fans, critics, and the GA prefer Battfleck to Bale after just one movie. (I can't think of any examples to somehow show the Nolan version was "smarter" than Battfleck)

In some ways you're right. The trilogy, as it went on, had no room for super-powers. But MOS was hyped up as a story where a normal planet (much like the trilogy) was invaded by super-powered beings. It wouldn't take anything away from what went down from Dark Knight Rises or before.

It only gets ridiculous if the studio rushed it, like they just did. Or if you have Snyder doing his Snyderisms to the point where it gets too video gamey or too much like Watchmen.

If done incorrectly, it would be shoehorned in. It takes patience to build it realistically. No more shoehorned in than creating a new Batman who has been operating for 20 years straight, happens to live across the bay from Metropolis, happens to have a Wayne Enterprises building in Metropolis, which happens to be the building Zod lit on fire. Using Bale would have been more simple.

We're not talking about the aftermath of Batfleck. Going into the film, people were skeptical about a new version of Batman, played by Ben Affleck. If Bale was coming back, the general audience and fans of that trilogy would have been climbing over each other to see it. Nolan would be involved more, making sure they take their time to do things right. Not listening too much to the studio's requests. There's nothing Affleck did as Wayne or Batman that could not have been achieved with Bale, if we're talking suits, voice modulation, new stunt-work.

Im not going to give examples of how much smarter, level-headed or compassionate Bale's version was to Affleck because a lot of us have explained this over and over in the last few weeks. I'll let Joker do that for you, but i doubt he'll want to.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

To me it felt like Affleck played private Bruce, public Bruce, and Batman the exact same. Whether he was by himself, with Alfred, at a party, at a fight club, or donning the cape and cowl: he felt like a guy who spoke the same, had the same expressions, acted like a tormented *****ebag. As Batman he relied on his physique, an awesome looking suit, stuntmen (during fights and high spots) and post-production work (voice modulator) to do all the work. It honestly felt like Bruce threw on a batsuit and acted the exact same without any transformation. Unlike Keaton and Bale who became creatures in the night.

Oh I see. I misunderstood at first what you were saying. I should ask though, how many times did you go to see bvs? I know I must've watched bale's trilogy or at the very lweast tdk, like, 20 times....i didn't give bvs that same sort of attention, partly because I don't feel like it or the need to, and partly because it's still in theaters and i don't feel like going to see it again

and i'm not trying to say someone needs to see it several times to formulate an opinion the way you did, i think your argument has merit, i'm just speaking for myself

 

[shauner111]

Oh I see. I misunderstood at first what you were saying. I should ask though, how many times did you go to see bvs? I know I must've watched bale's trilogy or at the very lweast tdk, like, 20 times....i didn't give bvs that same sort of attention, partly because I don't feel like it or the need to, and partly because it's still in theaters and i don't feel like going to see it again

and i'm not trying to say someone needs to see it several times to formulate an opinion the way you did, i think your argument has merit, i'm just speaking for myself

I saw it twice in theaters. About half of it (scattered) online. I enjoyed Affleck a lot when i first watched it. In the second viewing, and the third, which was focused on the Affleck scenes, i felt that he was too one-dimensional. Still a solid performance, but nowhere near as dynamic as i would like for such a character. I prefer a Bruce who isn't exactly the same when he's in and out of the suit. I put a lot of focus on his Batman scenes, which i find to be lazy on his part. Evidence is there when you read Ben's interviews about playing Batman.

 

[The Joker]

I don't see how that matters. Just make good movies in the DCEU.

It matters because Nolan's movies are far more popular and respected than the DCCU ones so far. Saying just make good movies isn't going to magically make the DCCU better.

The Nolan movies had no room for the super powers and other comic-booky elements, and it would not feel right shoehorning in real superheroes to that world.

The Nolan movies had plenty of comic booky elements, they just didn't go for the overt super power type elements.

Besides the fact that a significant portion of both fans, critics, and the GA prefer Battfleck to Bale after just one movie.

Show me proof of this supposed fact.

(I can't think of any examples to somehow show the Nolan version was "smarter" than Battfleck)

Well lets see, Nolan's version didn't go on a murderous vendetta against someone because they thought maybe they could be a threat to the whole world, despite the obvious fact that Superman had just been trying to stop the homicidal maniac General Zod. Then drops said murderous vendetta just because Superman has a mother called Martha. Even though Superman had a mother during the Metropolis fight fest in MOS, this revelation suddenly neuters him as a threat in Batman's eyes.

That's the DCCU Batman. A total irrational idiot. His whole "feud" with Superman could have been avoided by the most rudimentary of investigation. And this was supposed to be a 20 year veteran Batman. Val Kilmer's and Clooney's Batmen were smarter than this guy.

 

[CaptainWagner]

It matters because Nolan's movies are far more popular and respected than the DCCU ones so far. Saying just make good movies isn't going to magically make the DCCU better.

but that doesn't change the fact that it would have been awkward to work in. You would have to change Batman's franchise in order to allow the crazy stuff happening, and you've already wasted several of his best villains in watered down adaptations.

The Nolan movies had plenty of comic booky elements, they just didn't go for the overt super power type elements.

The difference is that Nolan hid the fantastic elements, he didn't want the audience to notice them. He refused to embrace the insanity of Batman's world.

Show me proof of this supposed fact.

There's no way to prove either way. I'm just going off of what I've observed.

Well lets see, Nolan's version didn't go on a murderous vendetta against someone because they thought maybe they could be a threat to the whole world, despite the obvious fact that Superman had just been trying to stop the homicidal maniac General Zod. Then drops said murderous vendetta just because Superman has a mother called Martha. Even though Superman had a mother during the Metropolis fight fest in MOS, this revelation suddenly neuters him as a threat in Batman's eyes.

That's the DCCU Batman. A total irrational idiot. His whole "feud" with Superman could have been avoided by the most rudimentary of investigation. And this was supposed to be a 20 year veteran Batman. Val Kilmer's and Clooney's Batmen were smarter than this guy.

Well, first off, I find it hilarious how so many haters of MOS held Bruce's view of things (and still do) but couldn't allow him to feel the same on film.

The Martha moment makes perfect sense if you actually think about it instead of just laughing it off. Bruce was forced to recognize the MAN, not the ALIEN he'd only ever thought of Superman as.

And lastly, this is a jaded Batman with issues caused by the loss of Robin. That whole subtext has huge bearing on his actions in BvS.

 

[shauner111]

Well, first off, I find it hilarious how so many haters of MOS held Bruce's view of things (and still do) but couldn't allow him to feel the same on film.

The Martha moment makes perfect sense if you actually think about it instead of just laughing it off. Bruce was forced to recognize the MAN, not the ALIEN he'd only ever thought of Superman as.

And lastly, this is a jaded Batman with issues caused by the loss of Robin. That whole subtext has huge bearing on his actions in BvS.

The MOS haters wanted to murder Superman? Huh! The things you learn!

The Martha moment doesn't make sense, especially if you think about it and analyze the film. Bruce assumed Clark had parents that taught him good values, before he tried to stab him, but he's shocked that Clark loves another human being? Why would he stop killing him if his enemy loves another person? If he did basic investigation and used some basic communication skills, he wouldn't need to fight Superman. If Supes yelled MELISSA!! he would be dead 2 seconds later. It's terrible writing all around.

There is no proof in the film that he's jaded because of the loss of Robin. That suit means something to him, sure. But he started branding criminals after Supermans death. His murderous rampage could have been a thing for years, pre-Superman, or it could have been a result of it, but it's not an issue in the movie. It's treated like normal behavior for this guy. The only abnormal behavior is how he's branding, torturing criminals.

IMO, Bale's Batman would have been a better fit. A smarter character that would have looked into Superman, had a conversation with him, same with Lex, before putting on a suit. It would have made for a better story, better back and forth between characters. Instead we got a hot-head, and a cynical Wayne because Snyder just loves the concept and artwork of Miller's DKReturns (even though he didn't read it properly).

Im glad there are two separate universes, but Bale's Batman should have been in a Superman sequel. Diana should have had a couple of scenes like the two scenes she had before the dumb e-mail scene or the Wonder Woman appearance. Keep it simple. Build the DCEU slowly like Marvel. Slow and steady wins the race.

 

[The Joker]

but that doesn't change the fact that it would have been awkward to work in. You would have to change Batman's franchise in order to allow the crazy stuff happening, and you've already wasted several of his best villains in watered down adaptations.

You keep calling these watered down adaptions, when they're not. Ledger's Joker for instance is probably the most popular version of the character because he hit all the right notes. He didn't have to be perma white or squiring acid flowers to be a brilliant Joker. Just like a "comic booky" version of a character doesn't automatically make it a great version.

You claimed who would want to see these characters because they are watered down? The fact is these characters and their universe are by far more popular and embraced than the tripe the DCCU has offered up.

The difference is that Nolan hid the fantastic elements, he didn't want the audience to notice them. He refused to embrace the insanity of Batman's world.

I'm sorry, were we watching the same movies? Nolan was trying to hide stuff like a ninja organization in the Himalayas trying to destroy a whole city with a doomsday device and fear toxin? He was trying to hide the No Man's Land type Gotham for half a movie in Rises? An ancient prison pit in the middle of a desert? He was trying to hide the most comic accurate exaggerated scarred Two Face in TDK. He was trying to hide Batman zooming around Gotham in outlandish vehicles like the Tumbler and The Bat etc?

This is ultra realism to you?

There's no way to prove either way. I'm just going off of what I've observed.

You called it a fact. Facts can be proven. That's why I asked for proof.

Well, first off, I find it hilarious how so many haters of MOS held Bruce's view of things (and still do) but couldn't allow him to feel the same on film.

Held Bruce's view of what?

The Martha moment makes perfect sense if you actually think about it instead of just laughing it off. Bruce was forced to recognize the MAN, not the ALIEN he'd only ever thought of Superman as.

The Martha moment doesn't make a lick of sense no matter what way you look at it. Alien or man, how does Superman having a mother suddenly stop him from being the potential threat Batman saw him as? He had a mother during the destruction fest in MOS didn't he? Did that make an difference there? No. So why is he suddenly off the hook now?

There's reason why that has become such a huge joke to that movie.

And lastly, this is a jaded Batman with issues caused by the loss of Robin. That whole subtext has huge bearing on his actions in BvS.

Oh come on big deal, he lost Robin. He lost Robin in the comics, too. Spider-Man lost Gwen Stacy. Heroes lose people they care about all the time. It doesn't turn them into irrational murderous morons.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The Martha moment makes perfect sense if you actually think about it instead of just laughing it off. Bruce was forced to recognize the MAN, not the ALIEN he'd only ever thought of Superman as.

"You prolly have parents who taught you that you were meant for something" (something like that, I don't remember the exact quote)

He already assumed Supes had parents and didn't deem him a man.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Eh, it's clear we aren't going to agree about the quality of Battfleck.

But please explain, how would you handle Batman if suddenly Man of Steel was part of the Nolan franchise. How would you make it work? You've got to recast Ledger, you've killed off several iconic villains, etc....

Can't we all agree it's for the best that we get a fresh start that fully embraces the comics?

 

[shauner111]

It depends on the direction. If you want to keep it Batman/Superman, without diving into Justice League, then it's simple. If you need a DCEU with a full-blown Justice League, it's more difficult but can be done.

We all agree that at this point, it's good that Snyder and Nolan have separate Bat-universes. But this new world only fully embraces the aesthetic of the comics. Nolans trilogy was much closer to the spirit of the characters in the source material.

I don't believe they would ever recast Ledger since Nolan would be in charge and probably against that. So you don't feature Joker in Suicide Squad. Im sure TDK Trilogy would be intact, with no future solo films as long as Bale is in the role. Leaving Bale to do team-ups. Creating the Justice League as a reverse League of Shadows. Seeing the inspiration from Superman, meeting Wonder Woman, and going through what he went through with Ras/Talia/Bane...he would be inspired to create a league of his own. Created by him, with a different code.

Killed off several iconic villains? You've only killed off Two-Face, Bane and Ras Al Ghul. So if a Batman movie were to be released, you have many villains to choose from. Even the Mr. Freeze that we all know & love from Timm/Dini would be able to work with some adjustments. Riddler, Penguin, Black Mask, Hush, Deadshot, Killer Croc, KGBeast, Barbara Gordon, Sarah Essen, Selina Kyle, John Blake, other Robins. These are some of the characters they could have used.

No Shazam. No Cyborg movie. Keep the universe simple. Create an ending.

Man of Steel 2 would have replaced Batman v Superman. Not a World's Finest film either. I would just use Bruce as a supporting character. Luthor and Brainiac or Metallo would be the villains. Short scenes with Lucius, Blake, Selina. Name drop Alfred and Gordon. Most of the film is set in Metropolis and outside of the country. Good enough time in Gotham but not too much. Diana has a couple of scenes. No Wonder Woman. Luthor is Bryan Cranston. Completely different than Eisenberg's weirdo version.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I saw it twice in theaters. About half of it (scattered) online. I enjoyed Affleck a lot when i first watched it. In the second viewing, and the third, which was focused on the Affleck scenes, i felt that he was too one-dimensional. Still a solid performance, but nowhere near as dynamic as i would like for such a character. I prefer a Bruce who isn't exactly the same when he's in and out of the suit. I put a lot of focus on his Batman scenes, which i find to be lazy on his part. Evidence is there when you read Ben's interviews about playing Batman.

seeing it twice is still a good amount of time for an overall review since the movies are so long, more than I had. So I respect what you're saying, I can agree that Bale was better, but for me it's because he was definitively the character, and Ben Affleck is just an actor doing a job and nothing more.

 

[shauner111]

seeing it twice is still a good amount of time for an overall review since the movies are so long, more than I had. So I respect what you're saying, I can agree that Bale was better, but for me it's because he was definitively the character, and Ben Affleck is just an actor doing a job and nothing more.

Affleck is playing a bizarre version. On the surface it's based on an else worlds story. One story. And his characterization is even more experimental. On top of that, he's mainly interacting with other superheroes and their villains (monsters, gods, aliens), in at least 3 of the 4 or 5 films he's appearing in. Bale had a chance to play the character from the ground up, and create an emotional connection with the audience. I don't think people be able to look at Affleck/Irons as anything more than "cool". That's just how I see it right now.

 

[DoomRulz]

I have a hard time imagining how anyone would want the de-powered, ultra-realistic, watered down Nolan universe as part of a wider DC franchise. Sure they were good films, but they would never fit in with a DCEU that actually embraced it's comic book roots.

I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "de-powered". Batfleck wasn't radically different from Bale's other than being a little more violent. Ability-wise, they're the same.

I've always imagined a potential post credits scene for MOS to be this:

Fade back in from the credits to a tv playing news footage of the battle of Metropolis. Someone is watching it.

The door to the apartment opens and a woman enters. We only follow her feet on the floor as she kicks off her high heels and drops her bag on the floor as well. She walks into the bathroom or something.

We follow close up shots as she applies makeup. Blush on the cheeks. Lipstick on the lips.

WOMAN: I made a reservation at that resturant by the river. Unless you want to stay in tonight.

Takes off the pearl necklace and sets it into it's case. Slips off her dress.

The someone continues watching the news footage intently.

The woman starts a hot bath as she puts her hair up and unsnaps her bra. We only see this from behind. No nudity, obviously.

WOMAN: It could be fun.

She becomes concerned at him not answering and pokes her head from outside of the bathroom door. Revealing herself to be Anne Hathaway's Selina Kyle.

SELINA: Do you even hear me? Bruce?

The man watching the news footage is Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne. He temporarily redirects his attention to Selina.

SELINA: Is everything okay?

BRUCE: No.

He puts his attention back onto the news footage as his face becomes steely with resolve.

BRUCE: No, it's not.

CUT TO BLACK.


Have a very great day everyone!



God bless everyone!

I like it! I created my own version shortly after MoS was released. Tell me what you think:

Ext. Nighttime

We are at the Kent house. Superman flies down and opens the front door. He enters and sees Martha and Lois sitting down in the living room. The lighting is low.

Superman: Lois? Mom? What's up?
Beat

Martha: Clark, you have a visitor.

As she speaks, cut to a pair of black boots approaching from a corner behind the wall to the rear of Lois and Martha.

Lois: He says it's important.
Superman: Who?

Superman looks up and sees...

Superman: You.

Cut back to the closeup of the boots, panning up slowly to reveal CHRISTIAN BALE AS BATMAN.

Batman: We should talk.

CUT TO BLACK.

 

[shauner111]

Sounds fun, but it doesn't quite work since Bruce is retired by this point. Living out of the country. You need almost an entire film or close to it to build up his return, why he would go back to the cowl, why he wouldn't leave it to Blake, showing him investigate Superman. And i think he would confront Clark in private. Not in front of Lois or Martha. Why are Lois and Martha there together?

The idea of Bruce (with Selina) watching the alien invasion on tv with the rest of the world, just seemed like the perfect, most logical extension. Especially during the release of MOS where we were all going nuts for the exact Wayne Enterprises logo from Nolan's movies, on the satellite.

With a reboot it would be Bruce in the batcave where his screens are going nuts.

 

[Batsfan1]

Sounds fun, but it doesn't quite work since Bruce is retired by this point. Living out of the country. You need almost an entire film or close to it to build up his return, why he would go back to the cowl, why he wouldn't leave it to Blake, showing him investigate Superman. And i think he would confront Clark in private. Not in front of Lois or Martha. Why are Lois and Martha there together?

The idea of Bruce (with Selina) watching the alien invasion on tv with the rest of the world, just seemed like the perfect, most logical extension. Especially during the release of MOS where we were all going nuts for the exact Wayne Enterprises logo from Nolan's movies, on the satellite.

In my head, after MOS, we'd get a Justice League movie where Bruce's arc would be dealing with becoming Batman again where he has to realize that he can be Batman and not have it consume him. He can have a life and be Batman, when he's needed. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

 

[shauner111]

In my head, after MOS, we'd get a Justice League movie where Bruce's arc would be dealing with becoming Batman again where he has to realize that he can be Batman and not have it consume him. He can have a life and be Batman, when he's needed. Have a very great day!

God bless you! God bless everyone!

Yeah, a sequel to Man of Steel with Bruce Wayne. End it with Superman handing him kryptonite out of trust. Bruce is in the cave looking at a new batsuit, wondering if the world needs HIM now, instead of the other way around where he needs Batman. The next time we see him is Justice League, where he's putting together a league of metahumans. Nick Fury style. Perhaps Blake is still guarding Gotham, but the threat is too large across the planet. Superman or another is held captive/brainwashed..so Bruce decides to step up to the plate in the last half of the movie, and becomes Batman again. I mean, imagine how epic that return scene could have been with Zimmer's pounding Bat-drums and a grey suit for Bale. Extraordinary. The final act of Justice League Part 1 would have been the first time the world sees Superman and Batman on screen together with their suits. Building that up? And they're fighting TOGETHER!? Come on! Better than what we got I assure you.

But none of this works with Snyder. Not even Man of Steel. I truly believe WB and Nolan both ****ed up the DCEU. This could have been a very tight, strong universe. All they did, by giving the DCEU off to Snyder was make TDK Trilogy look better.

Regardless, this would be my timeline if Ledger lived and Nolan agreed to take part:

-Batman Begins (June 2005)
-The Dark Knight (July 2008)
-The Dark Knight Rises (July 2012 - Joker cameo in Arkham)
-Man of Steel (June 2013 - one more draft - Matt Reeves director)
-Nightwing (June/July 2015 - Rian Johnson)
-Man of Steel 2 (March 2016 - no Terrio - Bruce/Diana have roles)
-Wonder Woman (April 2017 - Michelle McLaren - period piece - Superman cameo at the end)
-Flash (November 2017 - Lord/Miller - Hal Jordan supporting role)
-Aquaman (May 2018 - James Wan - Diana cameo - Darkseid hyped)
-Justice League (November/December 2018 - George Miller - Flash dies - Hal leaves earth - Martian Manhunter cameo in disguise - Darkseid takes control)
-Green Lantern Corps (June 2019 - Duncan Jones - Hal trains John Stewart)
-Wonder Woman 2 (Modern era - November 2019 - Cyborg introduction)
-Justice League Part 2 (May 2020 - Vic Stone/John Stewart become members - Martian Manhunter doesn't join JL but helps them defeat Darkseid in satisfying twist)
-Aquaman 2 (November 2020 - depending on success of 1st film)
-The Dark Knight Returns (June 2021 - Killing Joke elements replace 1st act - 2nd act Bats/Joker - 3rd act Bats/Supes fight - hype Batman Inc instead of faking death)
-Man of Steel 3 (June 2022- Death of Superman - grand finale to DCEU)

Have a good day too, you positive person you!

 

[DoomRulz]

Yeah, a sequel to Man of Steel with Bruce Wayne. End it with Superman handing him kryptonite out of trust. Bruce is in the cave looking at a new batsuit, wondering if the world needs HIM now, instead of the other way around where he needs Batman. The next time we see him is Justice League, where he's putting together a league of metahumans. Nick Fury style. Perhaps Blake is still guarding Gotham, but the threat is too large across the planet. Superman or another is held captive/brainwashed..so Bruce decides to step up to the plate in the last half of the movie, and becomes Batman again. I mean, imagine how epic that return scene could have been with Zimmer's pounding Bat-drums and a grey suit for Bale. Extraordinary. The final act of Justice League Part 1 would have been the first time the world sees Superman and Batman on screen together with their suits. Building that up? And they're fighting TOGETHER!? Come on! Better than what we got I assure you.

But none of this works with Snyder. Not even Man of Steel. I truly believe WB and Nolan both ****ed up the DCEU. This could have been a very tight, strong universe. All they did, by giving the DCEU off to Snyder was make TDK Trilogy look better.

Regardless, this would be my timeline if Ledger lived and Nolan agreed to take part:

-Batman Begins (June 2005)
-The Dark Knight (July 2008)
-The Dark Knight Rises (July 2012 - Joker cameo in Arkham)
-Man of Steel (June 2013 - one more draft - Matt Reeves director)
-Nightwing (June/July 2015 - Rian Johnson)
-Man of Steel 2 (March 2016 - no Terrio - Bruce/Diana have roles)
-Wonder Woman (April 2017 - Michelle McLaren - period piece - Superman cameo at the end)
-Flash (November 2017 - Lord/Miller - Hal Jordan supporting role)
-Aquaman (May 2018 - James Wan - Diana cameo - Darkseid hyped)
-Justice League (November/December 2018 - George Miller - Flash dies - Hal leaves earth - Martian Manhunter cameo in disguise - Darkseid takes control)
-Green Lantern Corps (June 2019 - Duncan Jones - Hal trains John Stewart)
-Wonder Woman 2 (Modern era - November 2019 - Cyborg introduction)
-Justice League Part 2 (May 2020 - Vic Stone/John Stewart become members - Martian Manhunter doesn't join JL but helps them defeat Darkseid in satisfying twist)
-Aquaman 2 (November 2020 - depending on success of 1st film)
-The Dark Knight Returns (June 2021 - Killing Joke elements replace 1st act - 2nd act Bats/Joker - 3rd act Bats/Supes fight - hype Batman Inc instead of faking death)
-Man of Steel 3 (June 2022- Death of Superman - grand finale to DCEU)

Have a good day too you positive person you!

Could someone send this timeline to DC and WB? PLEASE?!?!

 

[AnneFan]

I've always imagined a potential post credits scene for MOS to be this:

Fade back in from the credits to a tv playing news footage of the battle of Metropolis. Someone is watching it.

The door to the apartment opens and a woman enters. We only follow her feet on the floor as she kicks off her high heels and drops her bag on the floor as well. She walks into the bathroom or something.

We follow close up shots as she applies makeup. Blush on the cheeks. Lipstick on the lips.

WOMAN: I made a reservation at that resturant by the river. Unless you want to stay in tonight.

Takes off the pearl necklace and sets it into it's case. Slips off her dress.

The someone continues watching the news footage intently.

The woman starts a hot bath as she puts her hair up and unsnaps her bra. We only see this from behind. No nudity, obviously.

WOMAN: It could be fun.

She becomes concerned at him not answering and pokes her head from outside of the bathroom door. Revealing herself to be Anne Hathaway's Selina Kyle.

SELINA: Do you even hear me? Bruce?

The man watching the news footage is Christian Bale's Bruce Wayne. He temporarily redirects his attention to Selina.

SELINA: Is everything okay?

BRUCE: No.

He puts his attention back onto the news footage as his face becomes steely with resolve.

BRUCE: No, it's not.

CUT TO BLACK.

I loved reading this. Good job.

 

[jmc]

Are people seriously suggesting Nolan's Batman is somehow watered down? Jesus ****ing christ I read some absolute nonsense on this forums but that notion has to be one of the dumbest things I think I've ever heard. Lets make one thing very clear here - Nolan's films are as faithful an adaptation as there is. It pays homage to its source material, remains true to its characters and above all else places the story first and foremost.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Was Nolan's Batman raped in prison? Nope. Watered down.

 

[shauner111]

Are people seriously suggesting Nolan's Batman is somehow watered down? Jesus ****ing christ I read some absolute nonsense on this forums but that notion has to be one of the dumbest things I think I've ever heard. Lets make one thing very clear here - Nolan's films are as faithful an adaptation as there is. It pays homage to its source material, remains true to its characters and above all else places the story first and foremost.

 

[DoomRulz]

Are people seriously suggesting Nolan's Batman is somehow watered down? Jesus ****ing christ I read some absolute nonsense on this forums but that notion has to be one of the dumbest things I think I've ever heard. Lets make one thing very clear here - Nolan's films are as faithful an adaptation as there is. It pays homage to its source material, remains true to its characters and above all else places the story first and foremost.

I guess they're thinking is that he's watered-down compared to Batfleck but then again, the fights in the Nolan films had more jump cuts, minus the second fight with Bane in the crowd. The warehouse fight in BvS was more violent than that.

 

[Boy Scout]

Sounds fun, but it doesn't quite work since Bruce is retired by this point. Living out of the country. You need almost an entire film or close to it to build up his return...

Honestly? I'd watch that movie, even if Bale didn't suit up once.