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Making the Nolan trilogy fit into the EU

I would too! But i would still make adjustments :)

I guess they're thinking is that he's watered-down compared to Batfleck but then again, the fights in the Nolan films had more jump cuts, minus the second fight with Bane in the crowd. The warehouse fight in BvS was more violent than that.
If we're talking aesthetics (one of Snyder's favorite words in the english dictionary), then you can say Batfleck is more accurate. If you want to look at that chin of his, his size, the suit, the fighting. No problem. I would be more than happy to see a solo Batfleck film where he can combine those visuals with better writing that suits the character more. But as of now the only thing that's accurate are some of the visuals on the Batman side of things.

If you look at the characterization, it's completely off. There's enough there from Affleck as a performer to feel like it's Bruce. I would say his first scene in Metropolis feels like Bruce Wayne/Batman to me. When that scene was over, i was getting a really good feeling about how he would be used. For some reason i blocked out the trailers. Next thing i know he's branding people, he's killing people like it's no big deal and they're only bringing up the branding like that's the only change in this guy. Like the branding was the thing that was making him cruel. Then Bruce starts acting like an extreme right-wing moron. By this point the visuals went from good to a bit overdone for my tastes, and the plotholes were starting to become noticeable in almost every scene. This was barely halfway into the movie. To cut this short (er), the rest of it went completely off the rails despite some cool shots of the batcave and some cool fighting in that warehouse.

Bale's version is still the closest thing to the Batman i know and grew up with.

With that said, im no dummy. Im not going to be a Nolanite as they say. There's room for improvement and i believe if Affleck doesn't do it in 2/3 years, there will be a reboot in 8 to 10 years from now where they will get it right. When i say right, i mean a perfect blend of comic booky visuals, good characterization and a balanced tone. Any time the visuals seem to be comic booky in the movies, the characterization is always off the mark. It's frustrating. At that point we don't know if it will be perfect but then some b.s happens like a bad director or bad casting. Gothic horror for the sake of shocking people..whatever. It wouldn't surprise me is what i'm saying. But i have hope that we'll see the greatest Batman interpretation ever.

So right now, Nolan's trilogy is it for me. It's at the top of the mountain. Not trying to take too much away from some of those Burton/Shumacher movies either cuz they can be fun, but that's how i feel.
 
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This past weekend, I attended Legends of Horror at Casa Loma here in Toronto. While that experience was breathtaking, there was a Justice League tie in going on in that the movie was being heavily promoted at the event for whatever reason. Part of this included life-size models of each character of the JLA. While it was cool to look at, I guess...the latest trailer was also playing on a continuous loop in a nearby room and I couldn't help but hang my head in shame. It just looked so messy and yet again, I returned to the question of this thread when I first started it: ...What if Bale was still around.

Sorry, I don't mean to resurrect this year-old thread just to wax nostalgia but, I wanted to say it out loud.
 
If Bale was still Batman they'd have a whole problem with trying to make Bat-God, which is almost necessary for him to fit with the JLA, even though this Batman has been established as not this insane smart resourceful detective, but more of a Rocky keep-getting-back-up type.

BUT, I can say that it would be a lot more character driven, whatever they came up with, and I think they wouldn't be trying to make Man of Steel Batman if Batman was already Batman.
 
I would have been totally ok with Bale continuing if the torch hadn't been passed to John Blake.

Change Blake to Grayson and establish that Batman can never really retire, THEN do BvS.

A true collaboration between Snyder and Nolan could've been siiiiiick
 
Making the Nolan trilogy fit into the EU


Step one : Don't.
 
The EU doesn't accept American characters. Even if they are directed by Europeans.
 
A true collaboration between Snyder and Nolan could've been siiiiiick

That's exactly how I felt when I first heard that Nolan and Snyder were collaborating in some way on Man of Steel. Nolan's storytelling and Snyder's visual flair were a marriage made in heaven in my eyes. I liked Man of Steel but still that collaboration wasn't quite as I'd hoped :(
 
seeing it twice is still a good amount of time for an overall review since the movies are so long, more than I had. So I respect what you're saying, I can agree that Bale was better, but for me it's because he was definitively the character, and Ben Affleck is just an actor doing a job and nothing more.


I don't feel quite the opposite way but almost. Bale did a fine job but never felt like real Batman. I think partly it was the writing and "realistic" take

Affleck just seems like Batman so much more to me. His performance just seems so natural.
 
Bale is frustrating. He's a remarkable talent (one of the best actors working today frankly), and the absolute perfect choice to play Batman on-paper. But his take on the character, and how he ended up playing it, wasn't my cup of tea. It's kinda like Jared Leto's Joker, though not nearly as terrible. Great actor, but I'm sitting there watching the movie like, "Really? That's what you came up with?" To be fair, though, I really only had a problem with him in TDK and TDKR, where he took his growling shtick to the point of parody. He was great in Batman Begins. Have no idea what happened.

Watching the trailers for Hostiles, that's what I was hoping for with Bale's Batman. A restrained, controlled and quiet performance with an undercurrent of rage.
 
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I thought Bale did a fantastic job as Batman (not so much a fan of his Bruce Wayne) but I agree that his performance in Begins was the best of the three.
 
Watching the trailers for Hostiles, that's what I was hoping for with Bale's Batman. A restrained, controlled and quiet performance with an undercurrent of rage.

Bale has since admitted in hindsight that, given what Ledger did with the Joker, he could have taken Batman and Bruce into a darker place.
 
The one thing that bugs me about the DCEU is the fact that the people behind it can't seem to make up their minds about whether they want to be realistic like the Nolanverse, or epic and fantastical like the DC Universe. One day you had Snyder boasting about how edgy and grounded his take was, the next he was going on about how much it embraced the fantasy of the comics. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.
 
Nolan managed to bring comic book elements into his films without going too far over the top. Remember, we had to just accept Bane was big and strong with no real explanation as to why.
 
I don't feel quite the opposite way but almost. Bale did a fine job but never felt like real Batman. I think partly it was the writing and "realistic" take

Affleck just seems like Batman so much more to me. His performance just seems so natural.
If I never saw the Nolan directed movies maybe I'd agree. But just knowing that Affleck is Batman now because of the behind the scenes replacing of Bale is what distracts me when he's on screen.

He does the job well though. It's not like he was a bad choice.
 
That's exactly how I felt when I first heard that Nolan and Snyder were collaborating in some way on Man of Steel. Nolan's storytelling and Snyder's visual flair were a marriage made in heaven in my eyes. I liked Man of Steel but still that collaboration wasn't quite as I'd hoped :(

Needed more Nolan.
 
I'll always regret that they didn't start a Bale/Cavill Universe. The two are both perfect in their roles IMO and I never bought into the idea that Bale's Batman wouldn't fit into a shared universe. On the other hand, I'm glad he didn't get integrated him into THIS Universe because after Man Of Steel, which I loved, it's been going backwards in terms of stories and decision making and it probably just would have tarnished Bale's version of the character with dumb decisions.
 
If only DC could have fit the Nolan universe into the DCEU basically as a way to further establish Affleck then Affleck's character wouldn't even have to have his backstory delved into more because it would have already been there
 
But Nolan's Thomas Wayne doesn't say Martha before he dies. Giving Batfleck the ptsd needed for the virtuoso Martha sequence.
 
We will remember you...


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I'll always regret that they didn't start a Bale/Cavill Universe. The two are both perfect in their roles IMO and I never bought into the idea that Bale's Batman wouldn't fit into a shared universe. On the other hand, I'm glad he didn't get integrated him into THIS Universe because after Man Of Steel, which I loved, it's been going backwards in terms of stories and decision making and it probably just would have tarnished Bale's version of the character with dumb decisions.

Audience excitement would have been huge. And I think Bale and Cavill would have worked really well together.
 
Audience excitement would have been huge. And I think Bale and Cavill would have worked really well together.

I think Bale and Cavill could have played off each other very nicely. I'm happy that Nolan's Batman wasn't part of a shared universe but that interplay would have been pretty neat to see.
 
I think Bale and Cavill could have played off each other very nicely. I'm happy that Nolan's Batman wasn't part of a shared universe but that interplay would have been pretty neat to see.

Yes same here. The Nolan films can remain permanently untarnished by any potential failures around them, but I have a feeling those 2 would have worked quite naturally.
 
Audience excitement would have been huge. And I think Bale and Cavill would have worked really well together.

Not just that, but also, that MoS was going for the same idea as TDKT or tone at least of, what would a world with Superman in it look like? Bale would've fit right in there.
 

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