Making the perfect Spidey suit

[spidermilk]

Some more-

 

[spidey4fun]

OK..Cool.. Im not jumping any "fences" but I've seen way to many people come here with lots of false promises, take $$ from trusting individuals, deliver nothing and just disappear. Im in no way passing judgment on your good self, and I do look forward to seeing more of your progress pics. It's the honest costumers that keep these boards alive and creative energy flowing. So welcome.

 

[peter_parker]

Spidermilk, if you've read lots of the posts here and can see where Spidey4Fun is headed, you've also read where several people have been burned and/or scammed here on these very boards. For example, I am currently waiting (a few weeks now) for phone calls and emails to be returned by individuals I have paid and/or were part of a cash/labor/trade deal which is currently stalled in mid-deal. I'm hopeful that there will be a "happy ending" in my deal, but time will tell.

Please forgive us if we are more than a little skeptical of a new person coming on and "sounding" like others who have been controversial (to say the least) here in the past. (When I say "sounding", I realize that it's easy to read into things which are typed which may not be what the writer intended)

For example, it just seems a little strange that you would not have posted your work or any questions prior to this week... your work (and posts) seem to have indicated that you have been hard at the spidey suit making for awhile now. Or maybe you did post under a different name in the past?

Looking forward to seeing more of your work and messages!

 

[Gundam]

Looks good. Will you be showing pics of how you turned the CAD drawings into webbing?

I Would also like to see.

 

[SpidermanC]

LOL, all in good time Brad ... actually, I know from reading through a lot of this board where this is going so just to clear things up, when I'm ready to reveal how I made this I will, please do not not start jumping the fence etc. I'm not here to argue, just show case my work and learn from others.

No need to get rude. The problem you face, is you have no credibility right now.

Anyone can come in and show us a nice couple pictures that they've mustered up, or gotten from recasting and stealing others work. When you come in and have nice looking stuff on your first post, without showing any of your previous attempts, mistakes, etc... it's a little fishy.

The fact that you just come in, and post pictures only once you're thus far along... makes it very suspicious as to whether it's even in your hands, let alone you're original work. Specially when some of your casted work looks a little or a lot like someone else's.

 

[spidermilk]

Hey, I'm sorry if it sounded rude but I know from experience these forums can get pretty darn hostile and I want to make it clear that I have no business in arguing spending precious time answering silly question or posts. Or by adding fury the fire by replying to certain ones, so to let you know this is how I mean to go on.

I have no problem if it's furthering the development of what the thread title suggests... in all honestly I feel like I'm walking through customs right now.. lol

As of now I'm just posting pictures in a free for all forum/thread.

One last thing, To say that my work looks like someone else is a a compliment of highest level so I "thank you" but lets be honest, aren't we all trying to recreate the original spidey costume, and in doing this wouldn't most of the designs look...similar or the same...at the highest level... just my 2 cents

Now off to do some vacuforming.

If you have concerns maybe email me.
kind regards

 

[SpidermanC]

Hey, I'm sorry if it sounded rude but I know from experience these forums can get pretty darn hostile and I want to make it clear that I have no business in arguing spending precious time answering silly question or posts. Or by adding fury the fire by replying to certain ones, so to let you know this is how I mean to go on.

I have no problem if it's furthering the development of what the thread title suggests... in all honestly I feel like I'm walking through customs right now.. lol

As of now I'm just posting pictures in a free for all forum/thread.

One last thing, To say that my work looks like someone else is a a compliment of highest level so I "thank you" but lets be honest, aren't we all trying to recreate the original spidey costume, and in doing this wouldn't most of the designs look...similar or the same...at the highest level... just my 2 cents

Now off to do some vacuforming.

If you have concerns maybe email me.
kind regards

You're not helping your case with what you're saying.
It seems that if you've done your research on the board, such as you so claim.. you would know that if you do what you did without showing any proof... you would run into some heat. So why can't you just show us anything before the final stages of a suit..?

Maybe you are going through the board's customs.. because people on here can, and quite often do get scammed out of a lot of money by people like you.

So you may think you're just posting pictures on the forum, but by doing so you are basically advertising your work, and you will get questioned about it before you are all clear.

Onto what you said here.. "One last thing, To say that my work looks like someone else is a a compliment of highest level"
It is not a compliment. We are all working towards the same goal, but you have no excuse to have spiders and webbing that is exactly proportional to someone else's, when their suit is not the perfect suit.

 

[spidey4fun]

Here's a look at Yuri's webbing.

hmmmmmmm......

 

[spidermilk]

 

[spidermilk]

While I have the time... A concept costume

 

[spidey4fun]

Why is the CAD file and the webbing you've shown us different?

Damm that's a cool Reily Suit. When you going to print it?


Anyone else having trouble seeing the above image on Spidermilks post?

 

[SpidermanC]

Why is the CAD file and the webbing you've shown us different?

Exactly what I was gonna say.. They look nothing alike really...

 

[spidermilk]

Exactly what I was gonna say.. They look nothing alike really...

There's are "a million ways you can skin a fish" I say this because my method of creating webs was not the same as yours.

 

[spidey4fun]

Cool.. Foam Latex... Urethane is straight forward.. just mix part A with B, pour and leave to cure. Are they baked foam latex?

 

[spidermilk]

another hybrid? I got my inspiration from one of the concept designs from the first movie mixed with a variation of the 2nd movies spider. As to the construction of these costumes, I really wanna put them together but they're along way off, I don't have the time to pursue these fully as in making the "leg" webbing sections and so fourth.

 

[spidey4fun]

another hybrid? I got my inspiration from one of the concept designs from the first movie mixed with a variation of the 2nd movies spider. As to the construction of these costumes, I really wanna put them together but they're along way off, I don't have the time to pursue these fully as in making the "leg" webbing sections and so fourth.

Is there an image to see? Im just getting a white box with X in it.

 

[SpidermanC]

There's are "a million ways you can skin a fish" I say this because my method of creating webs was not the same as yours.

That's weird bro!!!
How did you get your scrunched up webs to lay down perfectly flat on your print ?? The glue and webs once applied act as an exo-skeleton to the suit. So even if you glued them down, they would have scrunched up your suit.

BTW did you ever buy from Ernie? because your lenses with the sharpie tint around the edge bare a striking resemblance..

 

[spidermilk]

Dude, have you ever had any experience with Foam latex? Have you ever baked, trimmed, colored, got it wrong and remade them to get the consistency, flexibility and durability and color all right, to quote S4F, it's not as simple as Urethane PA +PB. It doesn't act like any other material. That's why "they" chose it over Silicone, liquid latex, and the various shores of Urethane rubbers.

Has anyone ever got as far as foam latex webs, I read a few people dismissing them because they were too hard to do.

OK, now this kinda stuff I didn't want to reveal yet as I've worked very hard for it but some folks can't respect my wishes (as an artist) and have forced my hand...So for the information.

The Lenses/frames aren't from ernie nor anyone else, they are a FIRST and iIm very proud to say that each Frame was redesigned and machined As to look perfect. FINALLY a set of identical frames. Be patient...More info to come.

 

[SpidermanC]

Dude, have you ever had any experience with Foam latex? Have you ever baked, trimmed, colored, got it wrong and remade them to get the consistency, flexibility and durability and color all right, to quote S4F, it's not as simple as Urethane PA +PB. It doesn't act like any other material. That's why "they" chose it over Silicone, liquid latex, and the various shores of Urethane rubbers.

Has anyone ever got as far as foam latex webs, I read a few people dismissing them because they were too hard to do.

OK, now this kinda stuff I didn't want to reveal yet as I've worked very hard for it but some folks can't respect my wishes (as an artist) and have forced my hand...So for the information.

The Lenses/frames aren't from ernie nor anyone else, they are a FIRST and iIm very proud to say that each Frame was redesigned and machined As to look perfect. FINALLY a set of identical frames. Be patient...More info to come.

People have dismissed foam latex webs because they break extremely easily compared to urethane. The costume department of the movie makes about 25-30 costumes every movie because of that issue. Urethane webs on our behalf was an improvement to the suit.

Whether or not I've got experience with it, I know that something that scrunched up in a picture would not lay out perfectly flat. And I know that if you glued it down, whatever type of glue you used, would harden and cause the webs form to pull the print together. It doesn't matter what type of rubber you're using, you could glue a rubber band to the costume and it would do the same thing. It's the fact that you're glueing anything to the fabric. The fabric is too stretchable along with other properties, so it will not lay flat; it will take the form of whatever you glue to it.

Anyone who has made a suit with webs would know this. So it strikes me as odd that you do not.

 

[spidermilk]

They're two completely different beasts so you claiming not having any "hands on" experience matters a lot in this particular case.

I think your too dismissive of the fact that FL creation is a craft in its self and is not as cheap or easy to accomplish as "Adding part A to Part B" and that's it. There is approximately 5x the amount of work involved as compared to the Urethane method.

 

[spidermilk]

I forgot to say FL webs are extremely light in weight, they're about a quarter in weight what urethane/silicone/LL webs are, maybe even less ...so this might explain your theory.

 

[SpidermanC]

I would like to know what experience you have with urethane? And don't just blurt something out that you can't back up. IF you don't have proof of what you're talking about don't say it.

It doesn't matter about the weight. Something that you claim is that weight wouldn't bunch up in the first place if it could just lay flat like it was on that print.

Either way you look at it. Those two picture will never match up. So stop lying.

 

[spidermilk]

Alright lets just leave it C, you sound like you got a real problem man, I have no interest in this... I'm only asking for some patients, maybe you'll be proved right AND maybe you'll be proved wrong*, either way I'm not playing tennis with you or others. I suggest you email me with your grievances and see if I reply, but lets stop clouding this thread any more than it needs to... you should maybe realize how some of this continual BS has affected the thread..

To your question why I'm not further explaining myself is because I don't see it as being relevant...

I guess what I'm saying is if YOU had used Foam latex before you would understand from that picture that your theory holds no weight, and that maybe because the overall weight of that latex does not surpass that of the area where it is being glued to the suit.

So a FL webbing chest piece is lighter than the Miliskin its stuck onto,

but a Urethane webbing chest piece is far more heavier than the same fabric piece.

But hold on.. have I even mentioned what are the materials I've used, so far I have only mentioned some of my methods..

Does this make sense...Anyway
your putting two and two and coming out with 16. I actually have more experience with urethane molding than with foam latex.




Here's a favorite of mine I was eager to make.. The lost and forgotten spider-man 1 costume. I still think the bck spiders comparable to the 2nds and maybe the coloring. Ps. there should be no Palm webbing on this.

 

[spidermilk]

Looking forward to seeing more of your work and messages![/quote]

Thanks

 

[SpidermanC]

Alright lets just leave it C, you sound like you got a real problem man, I have no interest in this... I'm only asking for some patients, maybe you'll be proved right AND maybe you'll be proved wrong*, either way I'm not playing tennis with you or others. I suggest you email me with your grievances and see if I reply, but lets stop clouding this thread any more than it needs to... you should maybe realize how some of this continual BS has affected the thread..

To your question why I'm not further explaining myself is because I don't see it as being relevant...

I guess what I'm saying is if YOU had used Foam latex before you would understand from that picture that your theory holds no weight, and that maybe because the overall weight of that latex does not surpass that of the area where it is being glued to the suit.

So a FL webbing chest piece is lighter than the Miliskin its stuck onto,

but a Urethane webbing chest piece is far more heavier than the same fabric piece.

But hold on.. have I even mentioned what are the materials I've used, so far I have only mentioned some of my methods..

Does this make sense...Anyway
your putting two and two and coming out with 16. I actually have more experience with urethane molding than with foam latex.

You're right, I do have a problem- it's with people that scam in this hobby who give the rest of us a bad reputation. And I do see where this thread has gone, but it's not because of continual BS.. It's because of the liars, and thieves, who steal money on this thread. They post fake pictures or work that isn't their own, and then uniformed people send them money, and those people wind up with nothing, or the junk that a scammer actually made. Then all people hear are these stories, and other people looking for a costume don't know who they can trust.

You're more interested in splicing and dicing my words, seeking devision over them, rather than the idea expressed. What I'm sure you know, but are just trying to blind the rest of the tread from seeing is this.. You've expressed two ideas, in which I was combating in different parts.. So let me lay it out for you all together right here.

1. No matter how light your webs are, they cannot & would not scrunch up if they could be flattened out as perfectly as you had them. (I know you're thinking "how does he know this he's never made foam latex webs before!!" Well just because I haven't had FL webs before doesn't mean that there isn't foam latex out there that I can handle and see what it's like. )

2. The second part I was dealing with was if they were flat because you glued them down. The glue would have hardened and formed the exoskeleton to scrunch up your fabric. The rubber, or foam latex, has nothing to do with it. Whether or not if either of them hardened, it's the GLUE that hardens, and formed the exoskeleton to the suit.

I would like to leave it at that. I'm sorry if you are genuine and the board and I have given you a hard time. I am just tired of seeing people get scammed. It takes away from the hobby tremendously. No one can advance in making the perfect suit if they can't get the funding for it because a few scammers ruin it. I'd just like to throw my ideas out there, so people can make informed decisions.