Mark Millar To Consult On FOX's MARVEL ADAPTATIONS

[Dr Tactics]

I think you're onto something here. Amazing Spider-Man may be the second best film of the year, or a tie with Avengers (with yet to see how Django and Bilbo turn out).

Tied with Avengers?? You may be reaching a little bit on that one..

With the next X-Men, next Wolverine solo and next Spider-Man.... other companies will give Marvel Studios a run for the money.
Not only some of the greatest Marvel Cinematic endeavors to come, but also some of the greatest Marvel Cinematic endeavors in the past. Just take a look back! Sony, Fox and also Universal (Hulk).

No Prime don't take a look back.. I've also had some of the worst Marvel Cinematic endeavors from Fox and Sony including the Incredible Growing Hulk (Universal)

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Dude, ASM was one of the best cinematic experiences I've had all year second only to TDKR. Webb's decision to shoot in 4K made for a stunning tour through Peter Parker's world, which unlike the Raimi films is now our world. To top the gorgeous visuals & brilliant character development, Michael Massee shows up to warn the audience that something wicked this way comes in 2014. Massee's casting as Goblin was the equivalent of Thanos in The Avengers - simply perfect.

I recommend you get past this pointless crusade against FOX & SONY. Said crusade will prevent you from witnessing some of the greatest Marvel Cinematic endeavors to come.

I completely agree. The characterization throughout was stellar, in particular Andrew and Emma, who were pitch perfect. I expected nothing less with Webb at the helm and can't wait for him to get his hands on other great character's in the Spidey-Verse.

My expectations for the RED EPIC were sky high and I wasn't let down. I thought Schwartzman's cinematography was brilliant, probably the best work he's ever done. Red Cinema is here to stay.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

I completely agree. The characterization throughout was stellar, in particular Andrew and Emma, who were pitch perfect. I expected nothing less with Webb at the helm and can't wait for him to get his hands on other great character's in the Spidey-Verse.

My expectations for the RED EPIC were sky high and I wasn't let down. I thought Schwartzman's cinematography was brilliant, probably the best work he's ever done. Red Cinema is here to stay.

Again, its hard to understand how anyone would wanna boycott great films just because Kevin Feige didn't produce them.

I was never a huge supporter of ASM because it was essentially a remake, but maaaaan did Marc Webb blow me away.

Its a remake better than the original. Hands down.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I had my doudts on It due to talk It was basiclly ultimate Spider-Man the movie.Even though I am getting tired of all the consent rebooting hollywood Is doing I was open to
Spider-Man since I had major Issues with the Rami Trilogy.It won me over big time.While It took major elements from ultimate spider-man for the origin(Including Peter's parents Into scientists) It had spirit of classic spider-Man.The casting was just perfect In particular Andrew Garfield and Emma stone.The Lizard was far better than most of rami's villains(The only one he got right was Dr octopus for me and that was despite that stupid chip subplot) and In a short amount of time Martin Sheen really made Ben Parker Into a real character not just being there to give the with great power comes great responabilty speech and to be killed.I look forward to sequel and to find out who was visiting Connors In post credits scene.Was It Normal Osborn?Was It another villain as lackey for osborn?

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

In the post-credits scene, was that Normal Osborn? Was It another villain/lackey for osborn?

It was Osborn, portrayed to perfection by Michael Massee.

That post-credits scene was originally a much longer scene where Connors actually addresses him as Osborn.

I knew it was Goblin prior to reading about the extended scene though.

Osborn's presence lingers throughout the entire film & culminates with that moment in the cell.

I cannot wait to see Massee wreak havoc from above come 2014. He's a great actor people are finally gonna come to know.

 

[def28]

If you combined elements of both Spidey films I think you would have one heck of a movie. Loved the cast in ASM, thought the movie/story overall was meh. Still prefer Raimis. While Garfield was by far a better Spider-Man, I didnt like his Parker much, the action (minus the school fight) or the Lizard as a character. Would have been great to see a film more about Doc Connors struggles and his relationship with his family. Like alot of comic flicks, Ive seen this one split. Hope the sequels awesome cause I really enjoy the cast and crew.

X Men and Spidey are well into their new line up of films, so its gonna be a very long time for those who want everything back at Marvel. Hopefully if the time does come where one would fit perfectly in a crossover film, the studios can come to an agreement to use eachothers characters.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Funny you left out Ghost Rider SOV but I didn't see that in the theaters either so...

Ah, man, totally forgot about Neveldine/Taylor's Rider sequel.

GHOST RIDER: SPIRIT OF VENGEANCE (2012) Sony - Popcorn sequel to the abysmal Mark Steven Johnson origin story is much better than its predecessor but still a huge letdown. The plot wasn't terrible but the style of filmmaking was too over the top. Had Neveldine/Taylor just shot this like a True Blood episode & cast Chris Lambert as Blackout, it coulda been a solid Rider flick. 7/10.

I'll never understand why Sony keeps thinking Ghost Rider movies should be PG-13 action movies. They should be R-rated HORROR movies.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It was Osborn, portrayed to perfection by Michael Massee.

That post-credits scene was originally a much longer scene where Connors actually addresses him as Osborn.

I knew it was Goblin prior to reading about the extended scene though.

Osborn's presence lingers throughout the entire film & culminates with that moment in the cell.

I cannot wait to see Massee wreak havoc from above come 2014. He's a great actor people are finally gonna come to know.

Then I hope the rumor of electro In ASM2 means he Is lackey to Osborn.I really want Norman osborn who chooses his path Instead of stupid split personality crap In 2002 version.I am really hoping they wait till third film to kill off gwen stacy.Build up Norman,Harry,and mary jane In second film.Have peter and Gwen get even closer.Then In third film It will be so powerful to see her die and you will totally have audence hating osborn.

It's like In DOFP I want the cast to be returning from first Class and singer's films besides the target of assassination and of course the sentinles.Having cast members of the best X-Men films can creat an event film.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Then I hope the rumor of electro In ASM2 means he Is lackey to Osborn.I really want Norman osborn who chooses his path Instead of stupid split personality crap In 2002 version.I am really hoping they wait till third film to kill off gwen stacy.Build up Norman,Harry,and mary jane In second film.Have peter and Gwen get even closer.Then In third film It will be so powerful to see her die and you will totally have audence hating osborn.

It's like In DOFP I want the cast to be returning from first Class and singer's films besides the target of assassination and of course the sentinles.Having cast members of the best X-Men films can creat an event film.

Electro will def be working for Goblin/Massee. Hope they cast someone good.

Frankly, the MJ casting of Shailene Woodley indicates one thing - Gwen bites the bullet in ASM2. This sends Peter on a quest for revenge aside from having to save the city from Goblin's attacks. ASM2 is looking to be this franchise's TDK. The hero fails to protect those closest to him and is tested in a way that shakes his very foundation.

Hopefully Avengers 2 follows a similar route & leaves the heroes defeated by Thanos in the end with the Earth in ruins.

 

[marvelrobbins]

For Gwen to die means they have to have norman as main villain and we have to see
him as the goblin.I have mixed feelings on that as I have always liked gwen better than
Mary Jane.

I am hoping the ending of X-Menays of future past leaves It a question mark rather stopping the assassination attempt has preented the future with sentinles.

The problem with the avengers being defeated by Thanos are the other marvel studios films In between avengers 2 and 3.I don't see Iron Man 4 happening since It will cost enough to get Downey for avengers sequels.I think Disney after the avengers 2 may let Joss whedon over see hulk 2 with Ruffalo.And I suspect we will see black panther and Dr strange in between.Thor 3 and cap 3 will be determinded by second films box office.
But if third films happen I see thor 3 for 2016 and cap 3 for 2017.

And for DOFP i wonder in future scees if we might see FF gravestones or If surving X-Men use remains of baxter building to tease the FF reboot.Which I anticapte as being Fox's big summer 2015 film.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

It's possible Gwen dies in TASM2, but I hope not. I like the storm cloud of Norman Osborn looming over a three film arc. Really flesh him out and slow burn the inevitable into a third film, where Gwen meets her gruesome demise.

In TASM2 I would just have Norman himself, pulling strings and playing mind games with Peter from the background. Violating his life in more subtle ways. And Harry's presence in Peter's life is just another reminder of what lurks in the shadows, of what is to come. Norman can use/manipulate Electro to hit Peter where it hurts later, assuming Electro doesn't go rogue. And with characters like MJ, Harry and possibly others (JJJ /Bugle staff possibly?) you want to have enough breathing room to flesh out the character dynamics and various relationships.

By the time TASM3 arrives, Norman's fingerprints are all over Peter's life and the audience has seen (and felt to a greater degree) his circumstances and evolution into the GG. They've also seen the evolution of Peter and Gwen. When she dies it's more impactful. And MJ has been established in two films through the classic Betty/Veronica dynamic, allowing her to ease into the void. I don't want GG sharing the screen with another villian personally, I want him to fill the bill all by himself in TASM3. But the rumor is that Stone is under contract for two films. We'll find out soon.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

It's possible Gwen dies in TASM2, but I hope not. I like the storm cloud of Norman Osborn looming over a three film arc. Really flesh him out and slow burn the inevitable into a third film, where Gwen meets her gruesome demise.

In TASM2 I would just have Norman himself, pulling strings and playing mind games with Peter from the background. Violating his life in more subtle ways. And Harry's presence in Peter's life is just another reminder of what lurks in the shadows, of what is to come. Norman can use/manipulate Electro to hit Peter where it hurts later, assuming Electro doesn't go rogue. And with characters like MJ, Harry and possibly others (JJJ /Bugle staff possibly?) you want to have enough breathing room to flesh out the character dynamics and various relationships.

By the time TASM3 arrives, Norman's fingerprints are all over Peter's life and the audience has seen (and felt to a greater degree) his circumstances and evolution into the GG. They've also seen the evolution of Peter and Gwen. When she dies it's more impactful. And MJ has been established in two films through the classic Betty/Veronica dynamic, allowing her to ease into the void. I don't want GG sharing the screen with another villian personally, I want him to fill the bill all by himself in TASM3. But the rumor is that Stone is under contract for two films. We'll find out soon.

Diggin' all of this.

Hey, what are your thoughts on SINISTER SIX? The ASM trilogy & The Venom spinoff are supposed to merge into that event film.

Who should the villains be in ASM3? Or who will Venom fight?

So many possibilities.

I want Philip Seymour Hoffman for Doc Ock in the third film.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Haven't been on this thread in a while. I persume this post had been linked but just in case it hasn't:
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/23068/mark-millar-discusses-his-plans-for-marvel-movies-at-fox


Seems Mark Miller shares the want for the studios to unite...or at least look like they have:
“Fox have said they want to build a cohesive universe and I'd personally like this to work in compliment to the Marvel one. It would be cool if these universes didn't contradict each other so if you want to see Spidey, The Avengers, the X-Men etc as a viewer you would have no idea that all three are coming from different studios. I'd love to make it look like they're all just happening in one place.”

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Diggin' all of this.

Hey, what are your thoughts on SINISTER SIX? The ASM trilogy & The Venom spinoff are supposed to merge into that event film.

Who should the villains be in ASM3? Or who will Venom fight?

So many possibilities.

I want Philip Seymour Hoffman for Doc Ock in the third film.

There are alot of possibilities no doubt.

I like Philip Seymour Hoffman for Doc Ock. I also like Pruitt Taylor Vince and my controversial pick out of left field in Jeffrey Wright. When I saw him Source Code I saw the undercurrents of Doc Ock....

I'm hoping GG is the villian in the third, but if not, then I'd like to see Mysterio. It would be interesting to see how Webb translates that character onto the screen. If GG is the villian in TASM2 and Gwen dies, then Peter's mental state will be in ruins. Enter Mysterio and the psychological torment. Peters mind and constitution pushed to brink. And beyond. I'd love to see Peter taken to that place on film.

I'll give some thought to the Venom and Sinister Six possibilities, although I like the idea of a Venom film tying into the current Spidey films and perhaps converging into the Sinister Six event. The possibilities are endless.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

my controversial pick out of left field in Jeffrey Wright. When I saw him Source Code I saw the undercurrents of Doc Ock....

YES.

Forget Hoffman, you've changed my mind. I've been a fan of Wright's for a long time.

I'm hoping GG is the villian in the third, but if not, then I'd like to see Mysterio. It would be interesting to see how Webb translates that character onto the screen. If GG is the villian in TASM2 and Gwen dies, then Peter's mental state will be in ruins. Enter Mysterio and the psychological torment. Peters mind and constitution pushed to brink. And beyond. I'd love to see Peter taken to that place on film.

I like the idea of a psychological attack on Peter. Mysterio def fits that bill. With Goblin its physical and personal. He's Peter's Bane. He wants nothing more than to best him.

 

[def28]

Haven't been on this thread in a while. I persume this post had been linked but just in case it hasn't:
http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/23068/mark-millar-discusses-his-plans-for-marvel-movies-at-fox


Seems Mark Miller shares the want for the studios to unite...or at least look like they have:
“Fox have said they want to build a cohesive universe and I'd personally like this to work in compliment to the Marvel one. It would be cool if these universes didn't contradict each other so if you want to see Spidey, The Avengers, the X-Men etc as a viewer you would have no idea that all three are coming from different studios. I'd love to make it look like they're all just happening in one place.”

Yeah its been posted a few back. Hopefully the other studios share the same opinion on this. Im sure in the end it would just mean more cash for everyone.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

YES.

Forget Hoffman, you've changed my mind. I've been a fan of Wright's for a long time.

I know a lot of people would think it's absolutely crazy, but that performance sold it for me. Wright as Ock has lightning in a bottle potential. But it will never happen, so I'd be more then happy with Hoffman, the only realistic candidate of the three.

I like the idea of a psychological attack on Peter. Mysterio def fits that bill. With Goblin its physical and personal. He's Peter's Bane. He wants nothing more than to best him.

And the great thing about Mysterio is that he could easily be tied into Oscorp if the filmmakers so choose.

 

[YoungPrime]

Dude, ASM was one of the best cinematic experiences I've had all year second only to TDKR. Webb's decision to shoot in 4K made for a stunning tour through Peter Parker's world, which unlike the Raimi films is now our world. To top the gorgeous visuals & brilliant character development, Michael Massee shows up to warn the audience that something wicked this way comes in 2014. Massee's casting as Goblin was the equivalent of Thanos in The Avengers - simply perfect.

I recommend you get past this pointless crusade against FOX & SONY. Said crusade will prevent you from witnessing some of the greatest Marvel Cinematic endeavors to come.

Look you do not have to infomercial me, I am not losing out on anything that can't be viewed through Redbox or Netflix later down the line. So if you're that much of a comic book advocate that you're willing to spend money on anyfilm despite it's shabby reputation and continuously lackluster comic characterizations and continuity, then fine, go see them all twice.

I'll respect your opinion if you'll agree not to dismiss mine as a "pointless crusade". The manipulation seeded in such an accusation isn't lost on me.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Look you do not have to infomercial me, I am not losing out on anything that can't be viewed through Redbox or Netflix later down the line. So if you're that much of a comic book advocate that you're willing to spend money on anyfilm despite it's shabby reputation and victoriously lackluster comic characterizations and continuity, then fine, go see them all twice.

I'll respect your opinion if you'll agree not to dismiss mine as a "pointless crusade". The manipulation seeded in such an accusation isn't lost on me.

It ain't manipulation, genius. I'm telling you a fact - a 4K screen playing a film shot in 4K cannot be bested by your laptop or 30" LED TV.

 

[Shikamaru]

I don't have to accept anything if it isn't true.

You're comparing shopping for your wife with doing what Hollywood tells you?

Just stop...

For the record the first half of Spider-man 3 was pretty good until the symbiote came out of nowhere. Raimi didn't write that script. It was forced upon him and he did what he could based on it. There's only so much you can do when a crappy script shoe horns in characters as an after thought. Plus Sony okay'd the end result so again it's their fault.

So when Sony came with part 4 and Raimi said "Hell no!" due the time constants.

See, some people can say "NO" to their wife....

It's a similar situation. Raimi screwed up Venom because by doing that, Sony would've never asked him to do a character he doesn't like for future movies. He also knew that by doing a good Venom, that would increase the chances of people wanting him to return in future sequels and maybe even ask for Carnage (who he dislikes either).

Spider-Man 3 sucked from start to finish minus the opening scene. Like I said, the symbiote/Venom was the least of the problems the movie had. Raimi did have influences over the script. All the stuff I brought up earlier were stuff that Raimi himself added in the movie (a half-a**ed Gwen Stacy just to create a pointless love triangle, Sandman's origin, New Goblin's horrible look, Venom himself in the way he looked and was portrayed, the dancing, and everything else I brought up before). A director always has a say in the movie. It's not always the final say but still a say nonetheless.

Raimi left the production of SM4 not only because him and Sony couldn't come to an agreement, but also because he knew he wouldn't have time to make a movie to the best of his abilities by the due date because of other projects he had. A decision the man should get respect for. I guess he learned from his lesson in Spider-Man 3 that he needs to direct a movie to the best of his abilities for the fans even if he doesn't like the character being used. As for him and Sony not being able to come to an agreement, I am siding with Sony on that because for once, they were surprisingly right. The Vulture cannot carry a movie by himself no matter how well done he is (especially after Spider-Man faced off Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom, and Sandman) and adding Felicia Hardy as the "Vulturess" to the film wouldn't have helped at all. In fact, it would've butchered yet another great character. After Sony told Raimi that, that's when he started to reconsider his villain picks and then realized he wouldn't have time to do a good villain and do him justice to the full potential due to time and other projects thus he walked away.

"Plus Sony okay'd the end result so again it's their fault."

This. This just proves you don't even understand my point. My point is that they're both equally guilty, not that one is guilty and the other one isn't.

Not a fan of the reboot under Sony personally but like X-men I don't really care at this point. I just hope Marvel gets back Fantastic Four before Fox starts filming anything.

I might eventually catch a rental of ASM or even those upcoming FOX-men films but I wont see them in theaters.

Wait...So you HAVEN'T seen TASM yet but you already know it's not a good reboot and that it's not as good as Batman Begins or the Raimi films.

My reaction to that...

Just stop...

Have a nice day

 

[marvelrobbins]

agree with you

 

[Shikamaru]

Not sure if anyone here brought this up yet but we know that Sony and Marvel are already willing to work together. The Oscorp tower was going to cameo in the Manhattan skyline in Avengers but the design for tower wasn't finished by the time the third act of Avengers started filming. Since time was literally the only thing that stopped this from happening, I guess you can say The Amazing Spider-Man is "unofficially canon" to the Marvel Cinematic Universe at the moment. Not the same thing as something like X-Men or Fantastic Four, where at the moment setting them in the MCU is just an idea Fox would like to see get done if possible with no official word from Marvel yet.

Also, if they're going to bring in mutants into the MCU, they have to address the mutant double standard which is that in a world dominated by many superheroes adored by the public, people born with powers are feared and persecuted. You can get away without addressing that in the comics and cartoons but not so much in the movies. I'm not saying that they have to give a detailed explanation to why the double standard exists but just acknowledging that the double standard exists would be enough. For example, you can have a scene where a young mutant tells a fellow X-Men member something among the lines of "I bet you a thousand bucks if the Fantastic Four were born with powers, they wouldn't be celebrities and liked by everyone" and then the other mutant responds with "That's what propaganda and the media can do to people". Or maybe you can even have Captain America (and maybe some other Avengers) being invited to do a speech at a mutants' rights campaign and saying that the anti-mutant hate offends him and his fellow superpowered Avengers members as much as it offends the mutants.

That would be awesome .

 

[Dr Tactics]

Not sure if anyone here brought this up yet but we know that Sony and Marvel are already willing to work together. The Oscorp tower was going to cameo in the Manhattan skyline in Avengers but the design for tower wasn't finished by the time the third act of Avengers started filming. Since time was literally the only thing that stopped this from happening, I guess you can say The Amazing Spider-Man is "unofficially canon" to the Marvel Cinematic Universe at the moment. Not the same thing as something like X-Men or Fantastic Four, where at the moment setting them in the MCU is just an idea Fox would like to see get done if possible with no official word from Marvel yet.

Also, if they're going to bring in mutants into the MCU, they have to address the mutant double standard which is that in a world dominated by many superheroes adored by the public, people born with powers are feared and persecuted. You can get away without addressing that in the comics and cartoons but not so much in the movies. I'm not saying that they have to give a detailed explanation to why the double standard exists but just acknowledging that the double standard exists would be enough. For example, you can have a scene where a young mutant tells a fellow X-Men member something among the lines of "I bet you a thousand bucks if the Fantastic Four were born with powers, they wouldn't be celebrities and liked by everyone" and then the other mutant responds with "That's what propaganda and the media can do to people". Or maybe you can even have Captain America (and maybe some other Avengers) being invited to do a speech at a mutants' rights campaign and saying that the anti-mutant hate offends him and his fellow superpowered Avengers members as much as it offends the mutants.

That would be awesome .

It would be but It would be so difficult to shoe horn them in the MCU for that reason alone. In the real world it just doesn't make sense

 

[Shikamaru]

Exactly. It is difficult to shoehorn in mutants in the MCU to begin with. Even the comics don't do a good job of blending the X-Men with the rest of the Marvel universe in the comics. Whenever there is a big Marvel universe event, the X-Men side of the universe usually ignores that event minus Wolverine and a few other mutants (less than a handful). And whenever there is a big X-Men event, the rest of the Marvel universe ignores it most of the time.

The whole mutants thing is one of the biggest flaws and inconsistencies issues the Marvel universe has IMO, along with the fact that almost every superhero lives in New York City and somehow it's not overcrowded and every hero still runs into his own rogues gallery 99% of the time. The DC universe is more consistent than the Marvel universe (at least until you get to the cosmic stuff) since it doesn't have those flaws.

 

[YoungPrime]

It's a similar situation. Raimi screwed up Venom because by doing that, Sony would've never asked him to do a character he doesn't like for future movies. He also knew that by doing a good Venom, that would increase the chances of people wanting him to return in future sequels and maybe even ask for Carnage (who he dislikes either).

Spider-Man 3 sucked from start to finish minus the opening scene. Like I said, the symbiote/Venom was the least of the problems the movie had. Raimi did have influences over the script. All the stuff I brought up earlier were stuff that Raimi himself added in the movie (a half-a**ed Gwen Stacy just to create a pointless love triangle, Sandman's origin, New Goblin's horrible look, Venom himself in the way he looked and was portrayed, the dancing, and everything else I brought up before). A director always has a say in the movie. It's not always the final say but still a say nonetheless.

Raimi left the production of SM4 not only because him and Sony couldn't come to an agreement, but also because he knew he wouldn't have time to make a movie to the best of his abilities by the due date because of other projects he had. A decision the man should get respect for. I guess he learned from his lesson in Spider-Man 3 that he needs to direct a movie to the best of his abilities for the fans even if he doesn't like the character being used. As for him and Sony not being able to come to an agreement, I am siding with Sony on that because for once, they were surprisingly right. The Vulture cannot carry a movie by himself no matter how well done he is (especially after Spider-Man faced off Green Goblin, Doc Ock, Venom, and Sandman) and adding Felicia Hardy as the "Vulturess" to the film wouldn't have helped at all. In fact, it would've butchered yet another great character. After Sony told Raimi that, that's when he started to reconsider his villain picks and then realized he wouldn't have time to do a good villain and do him justice to the full potential due to time and other projects thus he walked away.

"Plus Sony okay'd the end result so again it's their fault."

This. This just proves you don't even understand my point. My point is that they're both equally guilty, not that one is guilty and the other one isn't.



Wait...So you HAVEN'T seen TASM yet but you already know it's not a good reboot and that it's not as good as Batman Begins or the Raimi films.

My reaction to that...


Have a nice day

SMH @ trying to condemn me for not going to watch a film I didn't wish to see...

So I guess treating a film that I deemed a rental as a future rental somehow tarnishes my credibility?

Yeah, at this point I think I will just stop.....listening.