Mark Millar To Consult On FOX's MARVEL ADAPTATIONS

[Shikamaru]

SMH @ trying to condemn me for not going to watch a film I didn't wish to see...

So I guess treating a film that I deemed a rental as a future rental somehow tarnishes my credibility?

Yeah, at this point I think I will just stop.....listening.

Yes, you have no credibility whatsoever at this point. You obviously didn't even understand what I said to you last time. I'll explain everything again from scratch but this time, I'll slowly go through everything step by step just like teachers did in grade 5.

Number 1
You said TASM is not that good of a reboot and that it's not as good as Batman Begins and the Raimi movies. That is fine. It is your opinion.

You following so far? Alright.

Number 2
In the following post, you said that you refused to see TASM in theatres and that you will rent it in the future. That is also fine.

You following so far? Good.

Now...

The problem with your second post is that it completely contradicts your first post and unmasks you for the ignorant person you are because if you haven't seen the movie yet, how do you know it's not that good and that the Raimi movies are better? That was my question to you which you completely ignored. You have no way of knowing whether or not the movie is good or bad and better or worse than the Raimi movies if you have not yet seen it. I asked you that basic question and you replied with "How dare you condemn me for not watching the movie? Can't you understand that I'll rent it in the future?" That does not answer my question in any way and you're just going off topic again like last time.

And to answer your new question addressed to me, yes. You have no credibility at the moment. Until you rent the movie and watch it, you have no credibility over the movie and no idea of knowing whether it's good or bad, or how it is in terms of quality compared to the Raimi films.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Look you do not have to infomercial me, I am not losing out on anything that can't be viewed through Redbox or Netflix later down the line. So if you're that much of a comic book advocate that you're willing to spend money on anyfilm despite it's shabby reputation and continuously lackluster comic characterizations and continuity, then fine, go see them all twice.

I'll respect your opinion if you'll agree not to dismiss mine as a "pointless crusade". The manipulation seeded in such an accusation isn't lost on me.

I dont have a dog in the fight, but if you havent seen the movie in question, your "opinion" is utterly worthless. (Also, watching a movie at the theater and watching on tv/pc is a very different experience. I enjoyed Avatar at the theater, but after watching on tv I realized it was a dull, derivative waste of my time. My (unsolicited) two cents.)

Shikamaru is right, iow. Watch the movie before commenting next time.

 

[Dr Tactics]

Well, I still got love for you YP but, they got you there.. Maybe thats why I liked ASM. I saw it in all its IMAX 3-D glory...

 

[YoungPrime]

Well, I still got love for you YP but, they got you there.. Maybe thats why I liked ASM. I saw it in all its IMAX 3-D glory...

LOL! Amazing Spider-man is just a distraction...

The only reason they're dwelling on ASM in a "MARK MILLAR" thread is because Fox's numbers don't come close. Sure I got caught up with the back and forth on ASM, it made over 750mill And I actually said that it should've done better. But like others I had no desire to see this take of it in theaters. Either way it has nothing to do with Millar and his resent pan handling with Marvel.

So ask them what now...A celebration to commemorate seeing a premature reboot in theaters that I didn't? Fine....

As I stated initially, I don't care about Sony or Spider-man. My only wish right now is that Fantastic 4's next reboot will be at Marvel. I have no faith in Fox or Millar.

 

[Dr Tactics]

Well, the press has been buzzing crazy every since Millar stated that he would like a Marvel Universe that doesn't contradict each other. I think there might be real talk even if it's all just a easter egg here and there like Oscorp, Stark Tower and the Baxter Building sharing the same skyline amongst all three studios or the Daily bugle be the main print newspaper while they're working out a deal for a huge three way blowout in Civil War film.

That would Break all kinds of records. There won't be enough theaters for that... Come to think of it it would be a nightmare.. The Avengers opening weekend was ****** madness. It was like Black Friday. But I digress

I will also say this. The Justice league movie presents a unique problem for Fox that has to have a FF movie by 2015. Not only do they have to compete with Avengers 2, Ant-Man and themselves with Avatar 2 but throw in The Justice League and what's left??

 

[JP]

Haven't we gotten to a point were people should just start ignoring other posters?

 

[marvelrobbins]

we got confirmation that DOFP will have time travel,postapocalpic future,and sentinles and chaces of deadpool are going up with Tom Rothman gone and people still want to find reason to complain.

And Fox Isn't going to sit out summer 2015.If anything with avengers out at may and justice league In july they will open FF In June.

X-Men Is my favorate Comic book priority and as long as films continue In X-Men.X2.First Class quality I will continue to spend money on tickets and DVDS.I amy not even see Justice League due to my being tired on reboots.Which Is reason why I don't ever want X-Men or spider-man back at marvel.

 

[Dr Tactics]

And Fox Isn't going to sit out summer 2015.If anything with avengers out at may and justice league In july they will open FF In June.

They don't have to sit out summer. They have a little movie called Avatar 2

Well regardless what you think, If FF is released between two Monsters of the Avengers 2 and Justice League it'll get CRUSHED. And if you think otherwise your in denial. The most iconic DC superheroes and the steam roll from a 1.5 Billion Dollar movie if you still think that the FF can make anything from that your in denial. The only movie that can survive that is Avatar 2. If your not gonna make $400 mill or more why bother. Maybe in Aug they can work the FF in at best but I'd advise against it..

X-Men Is my favorate Comic book priority and as long as films continue In X-Men.X2.First Class quality I will continue to spend money on tickets and DVDS.I amy not even see Justice League due to my being tired on reboots.Which Is reason why I don't ever want X-Men or spider-man back at marvel.

Well you don't go see Justice League if you don't want to. I'm already in line to buy my ticket. But, after the 3 blockbusters ( I forgot I Robot 2 from Sony) FF maybe the odd film out cause Fox was forced to put it out when they'd better off waiting a year.. If they do force it in there (just to keep the rights ad away from Marvel) they're gonna sacrifice the the Budget and a crappy movie may ensue.

Avatar is Fox's priority so if you love CBM like you say you do you'll pray that Fox listens to Mark Millar and make a cohesive Marvel Universe. Only then will Marvel allow them to extend the rights and The FF should come out 2016


And why, may I ask, if they almost had the Oscorp building and the Stark Tower in the same skyline that they have to reboot Spider-Man to be in the MCU??

 

[YoungPrime]

Avatar is Fox's priority so if you love CBM like you say you do you'll pray that Fox listens to Mark Millar and make a cohesive Marvel Universe. Only then will Marvel allow them to extend the rights and The FF should come out 2016


And why, may I ask, if they almost had the Oscorp building and the Stark Tower in the same skyline that they have to reboot Spider-Man to be in the MCU??

I've said before that I would'n't mind Matthew Vaughn and his staff coming over with X-men to Marvel. (Not all of the cast though)

I liked Chronicle more than I did FC so I wouldn't mind Josh Trank coming aboard to direct F4 if Marvel got those rights.

So everything doesn't have to be rebooted. Incredible Hulk hit the ground running and didn't find it necessary to rehash every single detail.

 

[Danalys]

TIH was just expedient in it's rebooting. it took a story that could have been a sequel to Hulk and made it it's own thing. different accident, different research (super soldier). injury to Betty. none of this existed in Hulk. the only connection is one ends with a teaser for a sequel in a country where the other starts.

If first class had rebooted continuity and had the real first class, i'd be more excepting of it being able to be a part of the MCU.

anyway for now i'm happy enough for fox and sony to be doing spidey and x-men; marvel doesn't have the time to do them themselves anyway.

 

[Hawkingbird]

Well, the press has been buzzing crazy every since Millar stated that he would like a Marvel Universe that doesn't contradict each other. I think there might be real talk even if it's all just a easter egg here and there like Oscorp, Stark Tower and the Baxter Building sharing the same skyline amongst all three studios or the Daily bugle be the main print newspaper while they're working out a deal for a huge three way blowout in Civil War film.

That would Break all kinds of records. There won't be enough theaters for that... Come to think of it it would be a nightmare.. The Avengers opening weekend was ****** madness. It was like Black Friday. But I digress

I will also say this. The Justice league movie presents a unique problem for Fox that has to have a FF movie by 2015. Not only do they have to compete with Avengers 2, Ant-Man and themselves with Avatar 2 but throw in The Justice League and what's left??

But what if that success doesn't happen? You have 2 big studios with a flopped movie, a major loss of money and a bad reputation. Would they risk it?

 

[cherokeesam]

But what if that success doesn't happen? You have 2 big studios with a flopped movie, a major loss of money and a bad reputation. Would they risk it?

They risk it every year.
We have an old saying at the casino: You can't win it if you ain't in it.
If you don't gamble, you never win.

 

[Dr Tactics]

But what if that success doesn't happen? You have 2 big studios with a flopped movie, a major loss of money and a bad reputation. Would they risk it?

Success will happen. We've already seen it with the Avengers (1.5 Bill) and TDKR (1 Bill). Then you have Spider-Man (750 Mill). Do you think if Spider-Man wasn't a super, well known property that It would've even made that much with TDKR out 3 weeks later? Imagined if they'd were a little prompt and not wasted their time fumbling with Spider-Man 4 and in came out with the ASM reboot in 2011 instead of 2012.. Would it have made over a Billion?? With A2 and JL in 2015 the shop for superhero films are closed for the summer. Thats why Ant-Man is in Nov with its biggest comp is The Hunger Games and not competing for the summer box office. Thats a safe move.

 

[Hawkingbird]

They risk it every year.
We have an old saying at the casino: You can't win it if you ain't in it.
If you don't gamble, you never win.

There's also the big legal issue

 

[Dr Tactics]

There's also the big legal issue

What legal issue do you speak of?

 

[Hawkingbird]

Between the studios. Contracts.

 

[Dr Tactics]

Between the studios. Contracts.

Your talking between Fox and Marvel and Sony? It would be virtually impossible for a Civil war story line to flop at the BO (though I might be misunderstanding the question)

If were questioning the chances that the Avengers and the JL will both flop that wont happen either because they'll schedule the JL in July

 

[Shikamaru]

Whatever happens, I do NOT want to see Civil War done in live-action. EVER. They should avoid doing that at all cost. It is one of the worst events Marvel ever had and almost everyone was written out of character in it.

It was a stupid attempt to bring in politics into comics just to make them "edgier" and more "realistic" (and not the good kind of edge and realism like the Nolan films). Not to mention that it was incredibly biased to begin with. They completely demonized the conservative side (Iron Man's side) and held up the liberal side (Captain America's side) as the "good side", even though they said at the beginning they wouldn't take a side - which is BS because they did.

It is a mess from start to finish. The event that triggers the Civil War is flawed to begin with because stuff like that happen all the damn time in the Marvel universe and there is no reason that specific disaster caused by Nitro (a supervillain BTW) should've changed everyone's opinion on superheroes. Then, besides the fact that everyone acts out of character as I already stated above, the event contradicts itself throughout the books (example: in Civil War #1, we learn the American public citizens themselves demanded the government to pass the Superhero Registration Act but then in New Avengers, we see the American citizens protesting against the act which was created and passed by the "evil" government).

Not to mention it paved the path towards the worst Spider-Man story ever told and to an event that caused the downfall to the Spider-Man stories in the Amazing comics and to Spider-Man himself, which he still didn't fully recover from even today.

No Civil War please. Anything but that. Even Secret Wars would be a better idea.

 

[Xeno]

Whatever happens, I do NOT want to see Civil War done in live-action. EVER. They should avoid doing that at all cost. It is one of the worst events Marvel ever had and almost everyone was written out of character in it.

It was a stupid attempt to bring in politics into comics just to make them "edgier" and more "realistic" (and not the good kind of edge and realism like the Nolan films). Not to mention that it was incredibly biased to begin with. They completely demonized the conservative side (Iron Man's side) and held up the liberal side (Captain America's side) as the "good side", even though they said at the beginning they wouldn't take a side - which is BS because they did.

It is a mess from start to finish. The event that triggers the Civil War is flawed to begin with because stuff like that happen all the damn time in the Marvel universe and there is no reason that specific disaster caused by Nitro (a supervillain BTW) should've changed everyone's opinion on superheroes. Then, besides the fact that everyone acts out of character as I already stated above, the event contradicts itself throughout the books (example: in Civil War #1, we learn the American public citizens themselves demanded the government to pass the Superhero Registration Act but then in New Avengers, we see the American citizens protesting against the act which was created and passed by the "evil" government).

Not to mention it paved the path towards the worst Spider-Man story ever told and to an event that caused the downfall to the Spider-Man stories in the Amazing comics and to Spider-Man himself, which he still didn't fully recover from even today.

No Civil War please. Anything but that. Even Secret Wars would be a better idea.

^^^THIS x 1,000,000,000


Marvel should do the Kree-Skrull War if war they must have.

 

[GRangerPrimeNYC]

a logical approach would be to garner the favor of the newest franchise which is First Class

If they predicate the Fantastic Four Reboot around that universe, they can make it work without ruining existing continuity

If the 'days of future past' is a go, than you can use that as one final nod for the Brian Singer X-Men Alumni including Hugh Jackman who realistically can't play wolverine forever.

As such, the next wolverine would be the closing chapter in the ties to the Brian Singer continuity.

Days of Future Past closes those doors and they reboot Fantastic Four from there and begin building.

Although very ambitious, I would even venture to say that given the 1960's continuity of the new x-men, there is a conceivably a way to thread them into the MCU to a degree. That way, you have a young fantastic four (similar to the ultimate universe versions) for the reboot. This can transition to their modern day counterparts which would fit the modern MCU continuity. Richards is easy enough to write for in that he could be one of SHIELDS most well kept secrets as being one of the worlds most brilliant minds would require protection against enemies of the States.

I agree with all of this

 

[Hawkingbird]

^^^THIS x 1,000,000,000


Marvel should do the Kree-Skrull War if war they must have.

I'm more up for Secret Invasion.

 

[cherokeesam]

Whatever happens, I do NOT want to see Civil War done in live-action. EVER. They should avoid doing that at all cost. It is one of the worst events Marvel ever had and almost everyone was written out of character in it.

It was a stupid attempt to bring in politics into comics just to make them "edgier" and more "realistic" (and not the good kind of edge and realism like the Nolan films). Not to mention that it was incredibly biased to begin with. They completely demonized the conservative side (Iron Man's side) and held up the liberal side (Captain America's side) as the "good side", even though they said at the beginning they wouldn't take a side - which is BS because they did.

It is a mess from start to finish. The event that triggers the Civil War is flawed to begin with because stuff like that happen all the damn time in the Marvel universe and there is no reason that specific disaster caused by Nitro (a supervillain BTW) should've changed everyone's opinion on superheroes. Then, besides the fact that everyone acts out of character as I already stated above, the event contradicts itself throughout the books (example: in Civil War #1, we learn the American public citizens themselves demanded the government to pass the Superhero Registration Act but then in New Avengers, we see the American citizens protesting against the act which was created and passed by the "evil" government).

Not to mention it paved the path towards the worst Spider-Man story ever told and to an event that caused the downfall to the Spider-Man stories in the Amazing comics and to Spider-Man himself, which he still didn't fully recover from even today.

No Civil War please. Anything but that. Even Secret Wars would be a better idea.

^standing ovation.

Sums up my views on CW entirely.

 

[YoungPrime]

Whatever happens, I do NOT want to see Civil War done in live-action. EVER. They should avoid doing that at all cost. It is one of the worst events Marvel ever had and almost everyone was written out of character in it.

It was a stupid attempt to bring in politics into comics just to make them "edgier" and more "realistic" (and not the good kind of edge and realism like the Nolan films). Not to mention that it was incredibly biased to begin with. They completely demonized the conservative side (Iron Man's side) and held up the liberal side (Captain America's side) as the "good side", even though they said at the beginning they wouldn't take a side - which is BS because they did.

It is a mess from start to finish. The event that triggers the Civil War is flawed to begin with because stuff like that happen all the damn time in the Marvel universe and there is no reason that specific disaster caused by Nitro (a supervillain BTW) should've changed everyone's opinion on superheroes. Then, besides the fact that everyone acts out of character as I already stated above, the event contradicts itself throughout the books (example: in Civil War #1, we learn the American public citizens themselves demanded the government to pass the Superhero Registration Act but then in New Avengers, we see the American citizens protesting against the act which was created and passed by the "evil" government).

Not to mention it paved the path towards the worst Spider-Man story ever told and to an event that caused the downfall to the Spider-Man stories in the Amazing comics and to Spider-Man himself, which he still didn't fully recover from even today.

No Civil War please. Anything but that. Even Secret Wars would be a better idea.

Guess I was the only one who liked Civil War. Now Avengers Vs X-men was a let down.

Not that I would want to see either of them on film. I just thought the CW event wasn't all that bad.

As for Marvel getting into bed with FOX. Well the bad points you bring up with CW such as character flaws and poor writing is what FOX does with most Marvel characters in a nut shell.

So please no shared universe with FOX at all in the same regard...

 

[Dr Tactics]

Guess I was the only one who liked Civil War. Now Avengers Vs X-men was a let down.

Not the only one. I thought it was interesting but I do agree that As it was written, it took characters out of regular character though..

As for Marvel getting into bed with FOX. Well the bad points you bring up with CW such as character flaws and poor writing is what FOX does with most Marvel characters in a nut shell.

So please no shared universe with FOX at all in the same regard...

Well no matter how much one will yell and scream to the rights to either revert or for Marvel to buy back the characters, a shared universe is the best you'll get because within that universe (MCU) will there be confidence that the characters will be translated to film respectfully. Fox nor Sony are gonna give away money and Marvel is money. So a shared universe IMO should be looked upon as a glass half full as opposed to a glass half empty. The glass has been dry for Fox so there's nowhere to go but up at this point. How far up remains to be seen.

 

[Xeno]

Guess I was the only one who liked Civil War. Now Avengers Vs X-men was a let down.

Not that I would want to see either of them on film. I just thought the CW event wasn't all that bad.

As for Marvel getting into bed with FOX. Well the bad points you bring up with CW such as character flaws and poor writing is what FOX does with most Marvel characters in a nut shell.

So please no shared universe with FOX at all in the same regard...

You're not the only person who liked CW, but a lot of fans have major problems with it. The whole story was poorly thought out and did near-irreparable damage to several major characters. Tony Stark, in particular, was utterly ruined; his actions made him worse than any supervillain. Quesada himself recently admitted that Tony Stark/Iron Man emerged from CW so utterly hated by fans that only the success of the movie franchise redeemed him. Many heroes were portrayed in ways that totally contradicted years of characterization.


Most importantly, the writers and the editors obviously had not a single clue as to what messages they were sending to readers. Personally, I was stunned to learn that the powers that be at Marvel expected us to side with the pro-registration side after turning its superhero proponents into a squad of jack-booted fascist thugs bent on imprisoning their erstwhile allies in the name of law and order. Did they think readers would cheer when clone!Thor murdered Goliath and Iron Man started throwing other heroes into a Negative Zone prison?


Civil War was a disastrously ill-conceived story meant to justify a fan-pleasing superhero brawl. It may have sold a lot of copies, but it did so much damage to Marvel's characters that they would have been better off never publishing it. Marvel Films would also be better off not filming it, unless they want to ruin what they've so painstakingly created.


I definitely agree with the points you made about how poorly written and produced Fox's Marvel-based films have been. Of all of Fox's efforts, only two were of high quality (X-Men & X2), and that in spite of taking ridiculous liberties with the source material. Fox is doing Marvel movies on the cheap, so we get films in which characters barely utilize their powers in order to minimize budgets. (Has Storm ever flown more than a few feet?) We'll never see a Sentinel in an X movie, same as we won't get a true cosmic-scale adventure in FF, Millar or no Millar. Those things cost money that Fox isn't willing to spend.