Marvel One-Shots

[Poni_Boy]

Don't tell Spike Lee

 

[Dr. Evil]

They should get Tarantino just to piss of Spike Lee

And it will also mean that Nick Fury could show up as well since SLJ is a Tarantino regular.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Perfect. Because after the events of Cap/Winter Soldier they really need to do something else with Fury to keep the character fresh. Sending him around the world on secret missions (i.e. Wakanda) would be fantastic

 

[Shoppy]

And it will also mean that Nick Fury could show up as well since SLJ is a Tarantino regular.

Thor and Hulk go for a Big Cahuna Burger t:

 

[Dr. Evil]

The next one shot will probably be Thor related.

 

[IronMan3IsaMess]

I put my money on "b", because its the option that is a hell of a lot less pandering.

Pandering is precisely Marvel Studios specialty. First they bring Coulson back to life by popular demand. Then they contrive some inane reason for having the ever so popular Loki team up with Thor. Now they're back pedaling on the whole Mandarin twist because they know fans were upset.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Thor and Hulk go for a Big Cahuna Burger t:

Not until after they discuss The Royale with Cheese.

 

[The Question]

Pandering is precisely Marvel Studios specialty. First they bring Coulson back to life by popular demand. Then they contrive some inane reason for having the ever so popular Loki team up with Thor. Now they're back pedaling on the whole Mandarin twist because they know fans were upset.

You don't not have a point. I mean, the Coulson thing I'm kind of okay with, because at least they're turning his rising from the dead as a thing that's a big deal and not just ignoring it. And honestly, as messy as Thor 2 was, I found the Loki/Thor team up stuff to be the most engaging part of that movie, even if it did feel a little forced in it's execution. But the Mandarin backpedaling is the worst so far, I think.

 

[Shoppy]

Not until after they discuss The Royale with Cheese.

Hulk confused ......Hulk not speak French ....... Hulk SMASH!

 

[DrCosmic]

Pandering is precisely Marvel Studios specialty. First they bring Coulson back to life by popular demand. Then they contrive some inane reason for having the ever so popular Loki team up with Thor. Now they're back pedaling on the whole Mandarin twist because they know fans were upset.

Interesting first post! I think pandering is the weakest part of the MCU, and it's come recently, and it's gotten us some of the weakest stuff we've seen, including AoS and the hero villain dynamic from T:TDW.

The reason the early pandering to comics fans worked is because they were very comfortable NOT pandering to comics fans and still gaining success, so they never compromised their films. They built the whole theme of IM's trilogy from eschewing the secret identity, NOT pandering. But catering to MCU fans (MOAR coulson, MOAR Loki) doesn't have the same restraint. If the MCU fans cry loud enough, everything else falls, and that doesn't bring with it good story.

AHTK is more of a catering to comics fans, and while it's a pretty laughable when compared to the subversive message of IM3, it's also incredibly entertaining and doesn't take away from the integrity of the universe, just the societal commentary of it.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Pandering. Give me a break.

 

[Loki882]

Yeah, I've yet to see any evidence of any "pandering." That's just people jumping to conclusion so that they can bash decisions that they don't like.

 

[Destructus86]

Pandering is precisely Marvel Studios specialty. First they bring Coulson back to life by popular demand. Then they contrive some inane reason for having the ever so popular Loki team up with Thor. Now they're back pedaling on the whole Mandarin twist because they know fans were upset.

Eh...on Coulson...I don't think that was due to popular demand. I'm pretty sure they had that planned for a while. As for Loki...Marvel isn't stupid. They know Loki is popular and is a strong character in his own right, so why WOULDN'T they use him more?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Yeah, I've yet to see any evidence of any "pandering." That's just people jumping to conclusion so that they can bash decisions that they don't like.

It's outright ignoring what the screenwriter himself has said on multiple occasions just so they can continue trumpeting fantasy as fact, is what it is.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Eh...on Coulson...I don't think that was due to popular demand. I'm pretty sure they had that planned for a while.

 

[Son of Coul]

If the Loki team-up was a result of pandering, then I'm all for it. I'm sure it didn't take reading internet comments to realize that he's the most interesting, engaging part of the Thor movies.

 

[Dr. Evil]

While Marvel Studios does some things wrong, pandering isn't one of them.

Besides, the only thing that matters to Marvel Studios (and any studios for that matter, and for any and all major studio films, regardless of genre) is "does the General Audience care for the movie?"

I cite the example of I Frankenstein. Yes, it's based on a graphic novel, but the general audience didn't care. It spans all genres. Look at comedies. In 2012, Judd Apatow produced two comedies "Wanderlust" and "This is 40" neither of whom the audience cared about one bit. Last year, many of his actors appeared on "This is the End" which was one of the biggest comedies of the summer. Nobody cared for "The Internship" and yet a lot of people watched the two comedies starring Melissa McCarthy.

Bottom line, it's mainly what the General audience thinks. That's all that matters to all of the studios, regardless of genre, whether it be action, drama, comic book, remake, animated, comedy it doesn't matter.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Anyway, I hope that "Two Broke Girls" keeps Kat Dennings away from being the main subject of the next One shot.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Besides, the only thing that matters to Marvel Studios (and any studios for that matter, and for any and all major studio films, regardless of genre) is "does the General Audience care for the movie?"

I'd say it's more "did we make a profit" which is like an extension of does the audience care to see it

That's the most important thing to movie studios.

 

[Dr. Evil]

I'd say it's more "did we make a profit" which is like an extension of does the audience care to see it

That's the most important thing to movie studios.

Yes. It really doesn't matter what genre. It extends to all genres, not just Comic book movies.

Anyway, can we get back to the topic of Marvel One shots?

 

[Poni_Boy]

I'll take anything that isn't Kat Dennings

 

[Poni_Boy]

After the first Thor I really wanted a Warrior Three one shot. But after Thor 2 I really don't. Personally I like the recommendation of a Hulk/Hawkeye one. Or hell, even a Bruce Banner one that explains a little bit about his time between Avengers and IM3

 

[Randy Savage]

Kat Dennings was the business in Thor: Dark World, but I'll refrain from diving further into that. #BananaBalls

 

[DrCosmic]

Yeah, I've yet to see any evidence of any "pandering." That's just people jumping to conclusion so that they can bash decisions that they don't like.

It seems like a reasonable explanation for the poor stories I see in T:TDW and AoS. There may be another explanation, it may just be coincidence, but when I see fan demand turn to story focus turn to bad story, I call that a pattern.

Eh...on Coulson...I don't think that was due to popular demand. I'm pretty sure they had that planned for a while. As for Loki...Marvel isn't stupid. They know Loki is popular and is a strong character in his own right, so why WOULDN'T they use him more?

Why wouldn't' they use more Loki? They might have another villain in the movie that needs some development so as not to be embarrassingly anemic, and reduce the appeal of the movie overall by making the far and away best scenes the ones in the middle that deal with the Loki sideplot as opposed to the ones at the end that deal with the main plot. As for Coulson's return being planned, there's not really any evidence of that. But it was definitely marketed as something as a result of fan desire. I mean, maybe they were lying with the whole #CoulsonLives thing, but that's definitely how Feige and co portrayed it.

 

[The Question]

It seems like a reasonable explanation for the poor stories I see in T:TDW and AoS. There may be another explanation, it may just be coincidence, but when I see fan demand turn to story focus turn to bad story, I call that a pattern.

I don't really think the problems with Thor 2 or Agents of SHIELD have anything to do with pandering. Agents of SHIELD's biggest problem, in my opinion anyway, is that it lacks a strong thematic core. The show was sold to us as a story of totally ordinary people having to live in a world where they are surrounded by beings and things that are bigger and better than we can ever hope to be, and they're just surviving and trying to hold the world together in the face of these titanic, inexorable, larger than life forces that don't give a damn wether they live or die. While that theme has definitely been addressed in the show, it doesn't feel like it's the driving force of the narrative. It feels to me that the writers have had a hard time articulating that theme consistently, and if it got a bigger focus than it's getting now the show would feel a lot more cohesive and compelling.

As for Thor 2, it's biggest problem was a mind numbingly dull villain who was difficult to give a damn about. Honestly, Loki's presence in the film was what kept me from hating it, the stuff with him and Thor was all great.