Homecoming Marvel & Sony's Spider-Man (2017) General Discussion - - - - Part 65

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[theinfernoman]

Still doesn't make any sense though

I can definitely see where he's coming from. Small children are easily influenced, and I can see why someone would argue that. It is an interesting thought.

 

[Majik1387]

Especially nowadays where entitlement is at an all-time high.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

So it was Andrew Garfield's idea to have that stupid ending where a kid stupidly and needlessly puts himself in harms way by standing in front of a maniac in a mech suit outfitted with guns and missiles?

 

[Majik1387]

It wasn't stupid.

 

[SM71]

It wasn't stupid.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

It was incredibly stupid. I hate that scene so much.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

What's so stupid about it?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i thought the scene was sweet. realistic? no not really.. but it distracted from the rhino which was a plus

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

That scene was stupid as hell

 

[theinfernoman]

I thought it was a really touching scene.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

What's so stupid about it?

Paul Giamatti's awful performance as the Rhyno.

The Rhyno spending too much time taunting the kid and not shooting him, which doesn't make sense logically, and makes the scene go on far too long.

Spider-Man enters the scene and talks to the kid, with his attention diverted away from the Rhyno. Rhyno could take Spider-Man out right there and instead stands there like an idiot. Which makes Rhyno an even ****tier villain than Paul Giamantti's awful overly cartoonish performance already made him. And it also drags out the scene far longer than it needed to be.

Did I mention the scene goes on too long?

Did I mention Paul Giamatti was awful as The Rhyno?

Oh, and now that Andrew Garfield says he came up with the idea for that scene, because he thinks that is the best way to make Spider-Man a more morally responsible superhero... inspire kids to jump over the police barrier and confront supervillains in his place. Yes, that is a great lesson to teach kids. Stand there in front of a bad guy and hope he's dumb enough to not shoot you, and maybe a superhero will come and talk to you while the villain still doesn't shoot you. What a great role model...

So how is this scene NOT dumb?

 

[harryoscop]

Glad I'm not the only who found that scene a little annoying and unrealistic.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Paul Giamatti's awful performance as the Rhyno.

The Rhyno spending too much time taunting the kid and not shooting him, which doesn't make sense logically, and makes the scene go on far too long.

Spider-Man enters the scene and talks to the kid, with his attention diverted away from the Rhyno. Rhyno could take Spider-Man out right there and instead stands there like an idiot. Which makes Rhyno an even ****tier villain than Paul Giamantti's awful overly cartoonish performance already made him. And it also drags out the scene far longer than it needed to be.

Did I mention the scene goes on too long?

Did I mention Paul Giamatti was awful as The Rhyno?

Oh, and now that Andrew Garfield says he came up with the idea for that scene, because he thinks that is the best way to make Spider-Man a more morally responsible superhero... inspire kids to jump over the police barrier and confront supervillains in his place. Yes, that is a great lesson to teach kids. Stand there in front of a bad guy and hope he's dumb enough to not shoot you, and maybe a superhero will come and talk to you while the villain still doesn't shoot you. What a great role model...

So how is this scene NOT dumb?

to be fair... that's exactly what heroes do... in real life too. It's about standing up to bullies and being brave enough to take them down. If more people did that... the world would probably be a better place. It's also about self sacrifice. Being the front of any line is bravery.. and likely a death sentence, but they're required for others to push through.

 

[theinfernoman]

I doubt The Rhino is such an evil person that he would shoot a kid.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Ha!

 

[harryoscop]

To be fair, Rhino was always a little cartoonish/over the top in the comics.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I think even 616 rhino wouldn't approve of his on-screen portrayal

 

[theinfernoman]

I never really took Rhino seriously as a villain to begin with, so that's probably why i'm fine with Paul Giamatti's Rhino.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I never really took Rhino seriously as a villain to begin with, so that's probably why i'm fine with Paul Giamatti's Rhino.

i gotta agree with that.... same goes for Electro.. I don't know why some expected them to be Joker/Bane level villains (i hated bane but i get people liked him) it'd be incredibly out of character for them to be anything but.

Rhino and Shocker are joke villains... powerful.. but dimwitted losers always ahve been always should be...

and electro has some brains, but poor execution and alot of emotional issues... now ... the movie seemed to amplify those characteristics too much.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

to be fair... that's exactly what heroes do... in real life too. It's about standing up to bullies and being brave enough to take them down. If more people did that... the world would probably be a better place. It's also about self sacrifice. Being the front of any line is bravery.. and likely a death sentence, but they're required for others to push through.

Iron Man 2 did that kind of scene better. A kid in the Iron Man mask holds his hand up to a Hammer Drone, Iron Man enters the scene, shoots the drone and says "nice shooting, kid" and leaves. It makes the same point, but is more logical, and doesn't get dragged out and prolonged.

Captain America Winter Soldier also had a far superior "hero inspires others to risk their lives to stand up to evil" moment, where a guy stands up to Crossbones and says he isn't going to launch the Hellicarriers into the air.

 

[theinfernoman]

Iron Man 2 did that kind of scene better. A kid in the Iron Man mask holds his hand up to a Hammer Drone, Iron Man enters the scene, shoots the drone and says "nice shooting, kid" and leaves. It makes the same point, but is more logical, and doesn't get dragged out and prolonged.

Captain America Winter Soldier also had a far superior "hero inspires others to risk their lives to stand up to evil" moment, where a guy stands up to Crossbones and says he isn't going to launch the Hellicarriers into the air.

Eh... I liked TASM 2's better.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

It doesn't mean they've got to be cartoony and over the top in the movies. No one's expecting Bane or Joker with Rhino, Electro or Shocker. Even Spectacular Spider-man has a better rendition of a really dumb Rhino