Marvel Films Marvel Studios’ SDCC 2024 Hall H Panel - Predictions & Discussion Thread

[MessiahDecoy123]

You say this as if Marvel couldn't have just gotten Evans, Helms, RDJ, etc for this. Considering they're probably coming back for it anyway. Strawman argument

The more actors they need the more of a logistical nightmare it becomes.

The money and planning is better spent just getting the biggest actor from each universe (Sony, MCU, Fox).

Assuming they can get most the actors to come back is a big assumption.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The more actors they need the more of a logistical nightmare it becomes.

The money and planning is better spent just getting the biggest actor from each universe (Sony, MCU, Fox).

Assuming they can get most the actors to come back is a big assumption.

Sure, but people want to see RDJ play Iron Man. Not Doctor Doom. Essentially this is like going to Red Robin and ordering a burger, and then you get a taco. Hey, it's meat right!

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

You can disagree, that's fine. But for my money, this is the laziest thing the MCU has ever done or ever will do. Easily

Lazier than the Illuminati in MoM?

Killing off Jane Foster?

Some of the resolutions in Deadpool 3?

 

[Spider-Fan]

Lazier than the Illuminati in MoM?

Killing off Jane Foster?

Some of the resolutions in Deadpool 3?

Lazier than all of that. By far. I don't even think it's close at all

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Sure, but people want to see RDJ play Iron Man. Not Doctor Doom. Essentially this is like going to Red Robin and ordering a burger, and then you get a taco. Hey, it's meat right!

A cameo just to fight the baddie worked out really well with Xavier vs Wanda.

I'm not so sure Onslaught would've been less inspired.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Lazier than all of that. By far. I don't even think it's close at all

Iron Doom is not that bad. C'mon now.

 

[Spider-Fan]

A cameo just to fight the baddie worked out really well with Xavier vs Wanda.

I'm not so sure Onslaught would've been less inspired.

Who said anything about Onslaught? Also I am not writing an entire script, lol! Who knows who gets what screentime. You're just trying to twist this into some weird strawman cause you like this news. And if this is something you're into, all the power to you. But you're not offering me any arguments I find compelling or make this news somehow not lazy, desperate, creatively bankruptcy, a waste of the greatest villain in comics, and something I just am diametrically opposed to.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Iron Doom is not that bad. C'mon now.

To me, it definitely is. This news took me from my D&W high I was on where I was excited for the MCU and shot it in the face with a shotgun. Now my interest has been HEAVILY damaged

 

[BobJM]

Do we think we’re getting an Eastern European accent from RDJ for this?

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Also......have we all forgotten Doom rarely ever takes off his mask? That and an Eastern European accent would be a good way to make it work. RDJ can pull that off.

There's no point in casting RDJ if he's just playing the actual Victor von Doom. MCU Doom will clearly be a Tony variant.

 

[HammerDown]

At first glance I’m slightly underwhelmed. It seems to me that after the Kang fiasco Marvel decided to bring back the big guns, the Russo Bros and RDJ, to course correct the cinematic universe and bring back people on board.

Galactus and Dr Doom are pretty massive steps for the MCU and just goes to show that F4 is going to play a pivotal part moving forward.

So no movies in between the 2 big event films… so that will lead to a lot of loose ends having to be wrapped for the first film and more to be set up for he second.

 

[Spider-Fan]

At first glance I’m slightly underwhelmed. It seems to me that after the Kang fiasco Marvel decided to bring back the big guns, the Russo Bros and RDJ, to course correct the cinematic universe and bring back people on board.

Galactus and Dr Doom are pretty massive steps for the MCU and just goes to show that F4 is going to play a pivotal part moving forward.

So no movies in between the 2 big event films… so that will lead to a lot of loose ends having to be wrapped for the first film and more to be set up for he second.

Did they confirm no movies between the 2 parts?

 

[HammerDown]

My overall takeaways from what was reported coming out of this panel.

-Cool seeing Red Hulk.
- Yeh them saying that Brave New World will be a grounded thing like The Winter Soldier seems a bit of a stretch with Celestial beings, Adamantium, Red Hulk…

Spoiler

- Adamantium was just introduced in D&W with the TVA giving swords made of it to Deadpool.

- Celestials being made of Adamantium? Ok. That sort of makes sense. Vibranium also came from somewhere out there in the universe.
- Thunderbolts… Meh.
- A peak at Galactus? Hell yes.
- The Fantastic 4: First Steps / That’s a pretty lame title.
- The F4 appearing in both Avengers films. Of course they would.
- Russo Bros back. Cool.
- Avengers: Doomsday / Now that’s a catchy title.
- RDJ as Doom is a bit of an odd choice. And one that seems to have been made post the Kang controversy. Seems to me that Marvel brought out the biggest guns they possible could to sort of swipe the slate clean and give people something to really be excited about.
- Yeh I’m in the camp that Doom should have been played be someone else but I’m sure RDJ will do well, it’s just a shame that they’re going to water down Tony Stark/Iron Man presence in the MCU with this.

 

[sdgrandia86]

Haven't seem anyone mebtion this tidbit but I'm excited over the mention of Syd Mead as an influence in F4. The guy is a legend.

 

[HammerDown]

Did they confirm no movies between the 2 parts?

They didn’t announce anything so im guessing there won’t be any films.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

There's no point in casting RDJ if he's just playing the actual Victor von Doom. MCU Doom will clearly be a Tony variant.

I think the casting is very weird but I don't think this is necessarily true. If Doom has his mask on 95+% of the time, and under the mask his face is melted/heavily scarred, and RDJ does a completely different voice with like an Eastern European accent or something, then casting RDJ as Doom isn't really much different from casting Benedict Cumberbatch as Dormammu, or Linda Cardellini as Lylla, or David Dastmalchian as Veb

 

[PBisawsem2B]

Some observations:

- If done wrong, fair risk of Dr. Doom forever being known as the "Evil Iron Man" among people who don't know comics

- MCU needs to let go of Tony, hope they don't dwell too much on the lookalike aspect

- No confirmation Kang has been fully axed as far as I know. He could still be here, just not as the main villain. A bit unlikely considering the name change. I would cast a megastar like Will Smith.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I think the casting is very weird but I don't think this is necessarily true. If Doom has his mask on 95+% of the time, and under the mask his face is melted/heavily scarred, and RDJ does a completely different voice with like an Eastern European accent or something, then casting RDJ as Doom isn't really much different from casting Benedict Cumberbatch as Dormammu, or Linda Cardellini as Lylla, or David Dastmalchian as Veb

But you're not getting RDJ for that role if he's completely unrecognizable. You get him for the role so our heroes would have to deal with having to fight an evil version of their friend.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

But you're not getting RDJ for that role if he's completely unrecognizable. You get him for the role so our heroes would have to deal with having to fight an evil version of their friend.

They got Colin Farrell for the Penguin and made him unrecognizable. They could easily have Farrell play a different character in that Batman universe at some later point.

I imagine if Dormammu ever faced of against Wong or Magik or Daimon Hellstrom they'd still have Cumberbatch playing Dormammu without ever referencing that he sounds similar to Strange.

Doctor Who just cast two people who already had notable roles in the show as new characters to be the leads in a new spin-off. And they've even had actors who already were in the show become the Doctor later on.

If they truly believe that RDJ can pull off the acting required for Doom, then they might just have cast him for that, combined with the audience and media reaction that RDJ returning to the MCU brings, without the intention to make the characters related in-universe. Sure, having your heroes deal with an evil Iron Man is one way you could go, but it is definitely not the only one. I think either way casting RDJ in this role was a bad choice, but I think if they can have RDJ briefly show up in F4 and be completely unlike Tony then they could convince the audience that he was a good pick for this role and get away with it.

I mean, we already had actors doubling several times such as Minn-Erva and Sersi or Aleta Ogord and Ying Nan. And due to the Netflix stuff we already have Ben Grimm looking identical to Punisher's ally David "Micro" Lieberman, and will have things like Blade looking identical to Cottonmouth.

 

[DarkKnight88]

To be honest, I’m more concerned with the Russos being back than RDJ. Their horrible post-MCU track record leads me to believe they were more riding high off the groundwork set by others than their talent for why the Avengers films turned out as good as they did. And now they don’t really have the groundwork to rest on.

They better be working with a stellar script.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

They got Colin Farrell for the Penguin and made him unrecognizable. They could easily have Farrell play a different character in that Batman universe at some later point.

I imagine if Dormammu ever faced of against Wong or Magik or Daimon Hellstrom they'd still have Cumberbatch playing Dormammu without ever referencing that he sounds similar to Strange.

Doctor Who just cast two people who already had notable roles in the show as new characters to be the leads in a new spin-off. And they've even had actors who already were in the show become the Doctor later on.

If they truly believe that RDJ can pull off the acting required for Doom, then they might just have cast him for that, combined with the audience and media reaction that RDJ returning to the MCU brings, without the intention to make the characters related in-universe. Sure, having your heroes deal with an evil Iron Man is one way you could go, but it is definitely not the only one. I think either way casting RDJ in this role was a bad choice, but I think if they can have RDJ briefly show up in F4 and be completely unlike Tony then they could convince the audience that he was a good pick for this role and get away with it.

I mean, we already had actors doubling several times such as Minn-Erva and Sersi or Aleta Ogord and Ying Nan. And due to the Netflix stuff we already have Ben Grimm looking identical to Punisher's ally David "Micro" Lieberman, and will have things like Blade looking identical to Cottonmouth.

None of those examples are comparable.

1. Yes, Colin Farrell is behind a lot of makeup but it's not like he also plays Batman in the same universe.
2. Dormammu appears for a total of few minutes and is just a voice role.
3. Minn-Erva and Aleta Ogord were very minor roles (the second was just a cameo).
4. Netflix shows weren't really canon to the MCU at the time so reusing those actors is not the same as reusing RDJ.

I feel like I shouldn't even have to explain this.

 

[OrbOfConfusion]

Also, who knows when, if at all, Blade is even happening. Enough time may have passed where people think it really is Ali's first time in the MCU.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

Also, who knows when, if at all, Blade is even happening. Enough time may have passed where people think it really is Ali's first time in the MCU.

By the time the movie happens, people will also have forgotten about that post-credits scene in Eternals.

 

[Venom 1988]

Also, who knows when, if at all, Blade is even happening. Enough time may have passed where people think it really is Ali's first time in the MCU.

Ngl, I completely forgot Ebon Moss-Bachrach was in Punisher until a week after he was casted for FF. And he had a much bigger role in that show than Ali did in Luke Cage.

 

[Pennywise]

So what are the odds he shows up in this fantastic four movie? Or is this just gonna be a multiversal doom that has no connections to the F4 we’re seeing next year? A Doom that isn’t immediately tied to an F4 just sounds like it’s bound to fail.

I know it was confirmed we’re getting the 4 in both avenger movies, so hopefully the dynamic between Doom and Richards is properly conveyed. At least I hope it is.

I get the feeling we’ll see Doom show up in a post credits scene setting up Doomsday at most.