Marvel Studios will Go Head to Head with Batman vs. Superman

[samsnee]

with the success of the past weekend and excellent word of mouth plus the awesome set up of winter soldier Marvel has no reason to fear that date
I think WB moves

Especially if Avengers does another billion and Cap has a notable enough role in it.

 

[Black Narcissus]

It's actually my favorite Iron Man film.

Good to know! I will stay away from any film suggestion you make from now on.

 

[Primal Slayer]

If DC doesnt move, ill be seeing BvS first then go see Cap. I think they would probably be pretty close in BO.

 

[Heretic]

It's getting tougher and tougher to launch a new franchise because I'm sure there will be a Spider-man and X-men movie in there as well. The audience is going to get burned out. When I saw Cap 2, there was a preview for Spider-man, X-men, and Guardians of the Galaxy. As a comic-book fan, it's great. But I can see people getting burned out real fast.

People never tire of popcorn blockbusters. The trick is to make each one different. Thor, Iron Man, Captain America, Guardians and Hulk are all very different characters who happen to live in the same reality. The Winter Soldier felt like a very different type of movie than Iron Man 3. Dr Strange and Ant Man also bring something different to the table.

DC is in a tougher position. Their lazy creative and business practices have put them in a tough spot. Most of their "prime time" characters are rip offs of their other characters. We have Superman...who is special because he is the last son of Krypton. But we also have Supergirl and Superboy. We have Batman and Batgirl and Batwoman. There are 4 or 5 "fastest man alive"s. There are thousands of people special enough to be a Green Lantern. Their B-level characters are pretty obscure. Man of Steel got rid of what makes Superman special and turned his world into a darker, more Batman like environment...the opposite of what needs to be done to make each movie stand out. If DC wants to compete in the movies, they have to be willing to put up the characters who are unique, allow them to be unique, and NOT fall into the trap of watering them down with copycats. If a character doesn't bring something new to the table, they don't exist (for instance...to the general public, there is no difference between Plastic Man and Elongated Man...Elongated Man is a better character, but the Plastic Man name is infinitely more valuable as far as public awareness...so you should find a balance of what works from both instead of giving both their own movie).

 

[mclay18]

Isn't Fast 7 opening in April now? I think that might be their biggest concern with moving it up. That franchise is as big as any Marvel franchise right now, and with it being Paul Walker's last film, it'll do huge numbers.

Um, Fast 7 is opening April 10, 2015. BvS moved from its summer 2015 spot to May 2016 this past January.

I think late July is the smarter move for DC. TDK showed that you can open towards the end of Summer and still have huge numbers.

With the new regime at WB, I would not be surprised if they shift away from the summer weekends former employee Jeff Robinov championed while he was there. And with Pacific Rim underperforming in that spot last summer, I think they're going to try new windows of opportunity. Of course, Robinov hit on something when WB released HP5 in mid-July 2007, with the following July films making big bank:

The Dark Knight - July 18, 2008
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - July 15, 2009
Inception - July 16, 2010
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 2 - July 15, 2011
The Dark Knight Rises - July 20, 2012
The Conjuring - July 19, 2013

After this year's Jupiter Ascending and next year's Pan, WB doesn't have any movies scheduled for mid-July. That could very well change in the next few months or following year.

 

[samsnee]

My mistake on the Fast 7 release date. Since we're talking about BvS so much it just feels natural to say it's coming out next summer.

 

[Marvolo]

Lifetime Batman fan, but Ill see Cap 3 before I see BvS. Cap 2 was a blast and the Russo brothers have proven they can show me a great quality fun time. Snyder is more hit or miss. DC needs to move back to 2015 or move to July 2016. A head to head with Cap 3 isnt going to do them any favors.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Both will do good numbers but BvS will do more. It has two thirds of the most iconic superheroes on-screen for the first time.

The Avengers hit a billion on just the hype of it being the first time together on-film, I see Batman vs Superman doing the same.

 

[DarthDorranceBane]

I'm very much a DC fan, but I just can't get excited about BvS.

 

[Marvolo]

Both will do good numbers but BvS will do more. It has two thirds of the most iconic superheroes on-screen for the first time.

The Avengers hit a billion on just the hype of it being the first time together on-film, I see Batman vs Superman doing the same.

Avengers had the benefit of Marvels good track record. Snyder doesnt have a good track record and MOS infuriated a chunk of the fanbase. I dont see BvS doing Avengers numbers.

 

[jmc]

Nor do I actually. I think anyone thinking MoS2 is a guaranteed billion dollar movie is in for a rude shock even if it doesn't go head to head with Cap 3, which it won't. Novelty factor alone won't get the movie to a billion dollars, it actually has to be good and frankly there's no consistency with Snyder to say it will be.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Avengers had the benefit of Marvels good track record. Snyder doesnt have a good track record and MOS infuriated a chunk of the fanbase. I dont see BvS doing Avengers numbers.

Even so they won't not go to see it. Same as the chunk of the fanbase infuriated by The Mandarin debacle won't skip the next movie appearance of Iron Man.

Fans get pissed off all the time but the majority won't maintain the willpower to skip a movie of characters they like, imo of course.

 

[Raiden]

Avengers had the benefit of Marvels good track record. Snyder doesnt have a good track record and MOS infuriated a chunk of the fanbase. I dont see BvS doing Avengers numbers.

I think the fact that it started off as a sequel of MOS before adding Batman and then WW said something about this movie. Seems to me that WB wanted to rush into a JL movie but they don't want to go the Marvel route, so they decided to introduce both Batman and WW in BvS before launching JL. I'm not a fan of Snyder's direction and even though Goyer apparently is replaced, I have a lot of reservation about BvS and I'll probably go see Cap 3 first that weekend.

 

[jmc]

It really does seem odd to me how many fans seem to ignore Snyder's inconsistencies. It doesn't even seem to matter that MoS was divisive. All this faith in Snyder and the guy is all over the place with his movies, faith that perplexes me.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I'm not gonna lie I'm a fan of Snyder. I've never left one of his movies feeling as though I wasn't entertained or didn't enjoy myself.

That being said I certainly understand the criticisms against his style of directing, even I got action fatigued in the third act of MOS.

 

[jmc]

My frustration with him is that he can do good things in shorts burst but can't put things collectively together as a whole. If he was a short film maker he'd probably be the best in the business, but for full features he's all over the place.

 

[P Supreme]

I know it's an issue that has been discussed to death but the casting of the BvS
has been questionable to say the least and Snyder is hit or miss like many have
discussed it worries me that this was Man of Steel 2 now it's turned into a Justice League intro movie and they have to go against a Cap 3 they will go in with a massive momemtum I don't care how bad it looks WB have to move out of that date

 

[Destructus86]

Don't forget..Cap 2 sort of had a "To be continued..." type of ending...people will want to see what happens next with that.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

You guys do realize MOS made more opening weekend than Cap 2 just made on it's opening weekend right?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Don't forget..Cap 2 sort of had a "To be continued..." type of ending...people will want to see what happens next with that.

They may be left very confused if they don't see Avengers 2 first.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

You guys do realize MOS made more opening weekend than Cap 2 just made on it's opening weekend right?

Cap 3 follows Avengers 2.

Remember when Iron Man 3 came after the first Avengers movie?

 

[Heretic]

Cap 3 follows Avengers 2.

Remember when Iron Man 3 came after the first Avengers movie?

Ant Man is the next Marvel Studios film after Avengers 2.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Ant Man is the next Marvel Studios film after Avengers 2.

Ant-Man won't even appear in Avengers 2. So most people won't even make a connection between the two.

Captain America 3 will be treated like an Avengers sequel like Iron Man 3 was.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

TWS are nothing to fear in theory for a BvS movie. It did great, but it didn't do that great. Not domestically.

I think the fact that it started off as a sequel of MOS before adding Batman and then WW said something about this movie. Seems to me that WB wanted to rush into a JL movie but they don't want to go the Marvel route, so they decided to introduce both Batman and WW in BvS before launching JL. I'm not a fan of Snyder's direction and even though Goyer apparently is replaced, I have a lot of reservation about BvS and I'll probably go see Cap 3 first that weekend.

Man of Steel 2 was always going to be BvS. They avoided talking about it for that very reason.

 

[metaphysician]

You guys do realize MOS made more opening weekend than Cap 2 just made on it's opening weekend right?

And then had an incredible harsh drop. Which probably had something to do with the terrible, terrible reviews it got.

Its that latter thing that bodes really ill for its sequel. A really good movie gets people excited to go out and see its sequel. . . while a bad movie keeps people away.