Sequels Marvel Studios' X-Men?

[Frankeh]

I do not care what their reason may have been in the first place but I care about the great character arc for a female character that came out of it.

That's the kind of thinking that makes the filmmakers believe they don't need to translate the characters from comic to screen. "Hey, she's a major female character! What are you whining about?" People don't like this version of Mystique nor the actress playing her, you can't force them to. End of story!

But more and more people want accurate characters. We're in the age of MCU, the early 2000s are gone.

 

[marvelrobbins]

X-Men,X2,DOFP,and r rated film versions of Deadpool and logan would never have been
done by disney.

 

[psylockolussus]

This thread is a...

This just shows people aren't happy with how Fox is currently handling the X-Men!

 

[EnDz0n3]

Unfortunately, there is only a handful of people here who know how to interpret a movie.

The person who thinks it's not ridiculous to turn Storm into Quicksilver's twin thinks he's better than a lot of the people on this board.

Good night everyone!

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

X-Men,X2,DOFP,and r rated film versions of Deadpool and logan would never have been
done by disney.

I go without all those films except Deadpool

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

But more and more people want accurate characters. We're in the age of MCU, the early 2000s are gone.

Hopefully Boone does great. I'm so over Singerverse.

 

[Frankeh]

The person who thinks it's not ridiculous to turn Storm into Quicksilver's twin thinks he's better than a lot of the people on this board.

Good night everyone!

Hold up where does this come from?

Anyway, DavidHaller has really been making some inflammatory comments lately.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Anyway, DavidHaller has really been making some inflammatory comments lately.

Its ridiculous.. the movies aren't anywhere good enough to Stan

 

[EnDz0n3]

Hold up where does this come from?

Anyway, DavidHaller has really been making some inflammatory comments lately.

Previous page LOL

I tried to come up with the most ridiculous scenario that's akin to FC retroactively turning Mystique into Xavier's sister.

I did it thinking surely he won't be ok with this.

But I was wrong. "There is nothing ridiculous about it" he says!

 

[GuestStar2004]

This just shows people aren't happy with how Fox is currently handling the X-Men!

I remember the Spidey board being worse then this board tbh and i don't visit DCs films but i imagine its just as bad.

When it comes to the hype it makes me think of this saying "No One Hates 'Star Wars' Quite Like A 'Star Wars' Fan"

 

[DavidHaller]

Previous page LOL

I tried to come up with the most ridiculous scenario that's akin to FC retroactively turning Mystique into Xavier's sister.

I did it thinking surely he won't be ok with this.

But I was wrong. "There is nothing ridiculous about it" he says!

the decision to make Mystique Xavier's sister is not in any way more or less ridiculous than what is constantly happening in the comic books. It was just recently revealed by author Brian Michael Bendis that Mystique and Xavier have been secretly MARRIED in the past without the X-Men knowing!!!!!!! Yes, that is also comicbook canon.

RETCONS happen all the time! This is what happens to ongoing, open ended series like X-Men comics or the X-Men movies.X-Men comics are not a self-contained 3 book series like Lord of the Rings. Thus, every comic book character's history is a culmination of very absurd retcons and re-interpretations by different authors. (some examples: Magneto killed Jean Grey now he is an X-Men and one of the closest acquaintances of Jean Grey's husband Cyclops...Emma Frost helped Sebastian Shaw to rape Storm, now she is one of the X-Men's leader working together with Storm teaching children...Iceman became suddenly gay (hell yeah!)...Jean Grey was only a clone of a cosmic entity and never died...Mystique and Wolverine dated in the past...Cable is Cyclops' son from the furure...EVERY X-Men's death,...etc. etc. etc. etc.)

It is is creative decision which made sense in the cinematic universe and which helped to make "Days of Future Past" one of the best comic book movies in recent years. They gave great arguments why Mystique is now who she is if you let the movies speak for themselves. Mystique got a character transfer from Juggernaut. That is also happening all the time when stories change media.

What I (helplessly) try to explain: there is no such thing as "authentic comic book accurate adaptation" because we are speaking of ongoing comic book series which do not have fixed continuities. The X-Men movies are its own thing by now. Not more or less legitimate interpretations than any comic book series. At the same time are also X-Men movies influencing comic books since 2000. The exchanges between media go constantly back and forth.

 

[Stan Lee]

Its ridiculous.. the movies aren't anywhere good enough to Stan

lol why is my first username mentioned in that post?

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

lol why is my first username mentioned in that post?

"stan" is a portmanteau of the words "stalker" and "fan," and refers to someone who is overly obsessed with a celebrity.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I remember the Spidey board being worse then this board tbh and i don't visit DCs films but i imagine its just as bad.

When it comes to the hype it makes me think of this saying "No One Hates 'Star Wars' Quite Like A 'Star Wars' Fan"

i avoid both those pages since 1-if you didn't think Tom Holland was greatest spider-man ever In Civil war you weren't welcomed and now if your oporion isn't homecoming will be first good spider-man film you also aren't welcomed.

as far star wars i avoid that like the plague since i don't like george lucas bashing.you know the person who actully created star wars.

In Mis DC board ther eis htread asking do people only like SUperman and superman II because of nostaglia.

 

[Frankeh]

What I (helplessly) try to explain: there is no such thing as "authentic comic book accurate adaptation" because we are speaking of ongoing comic book series which do not have fixed continuities. The X-Men movies are its own thing by now. Not more or less legitimate interpretations than any comic book series. At the same time are also X-Men movies influencing comic books since 2000. The exchanges between media go constantly back and forth.

Sorry, but that's just another excuse to give them leeway to change things as they please, and if you don't think there are any iconic relationships and elements that should be preserved in a cinematic adaptation, then I don't honestly know what to tell you -- good for you for not wanting anything from these movies and just taking what they give you. I say let them make Storm a white blonde girl in the next movie since the comics retcon stuff all the time!!!!

Which is funny, because at the same time you claim this is the most comic accurate franchise as some sort of achievement. (And it's a false statement to boot)

And going by previous three movies... no, in the cinematic universe it doesn't make sense that Mystique was turned into what she is now, but I guess they were banking on her popularity, but missed what made her popular in the OT in the first place. As for her role in DOFP, you don't think they were actually thinking of adapting DOFP while writing FC? The filmmakers don't plan ahead.

 

[EnDz0n3]

the decision to make Mystique Xavier's sister is not in any way more or less ridiculous than what is constantly happening in the comic books. It was just recently revealed by author Brian Michael Bendis that Mystique and Xavier have been secretly MARRIED in the past without the X-Men knowing!!!!!!! Yes, that is also comicbook canon.

RETCONS happen all the time! This is what happens to ongoing, open ended series like X-Men comics or the X-Men movies.X-Men comics are not a self-contained 3 book series like Lord of the Rings. Thus, every comic book character's history is a culmination of very absurd retcons and re-interpretations by different authors. (some examples: Magneto killed Jean Grey now he is an X-Men and one of the closest acquaintances of Jean Grey's husband Cyclops...Emma Frost helped Sebastian Shaw to rape Storm, now she is one of the X-Men's leader working together with Storm teaching children...Iceman became suddenly gay (hell yeah!)...Jean Grey was only a clone of a cosmic entity and never died...Mystique and Wolverine dated in the past...Cable is Cyclops' son from the furure...EVERY X-Men's death,...etc. etc. etc. etc.)

It is is creative decision which made sense in the cinematic universe and which helped to make "Days of Future Past" one of the best comic book movies in recent years. They gave great arguments why Mystique is now who she is if you let the movies speak for themselves. Mystique got a character transfer from Juggernaut. That is also happening all the time when stories change media.

What I (helplessly) try to explain: there is no such thing as "authentic comic book accurate adaptation" because we are speaking of ongoing comic book series which do not have fixed continuities. The X-Men movies are its own thing by now. Not more or less legitimate interpretations than any comic book series. At the same time are also X-Men movies influencing comic books since 2000. The exchanges between media go constantly back and forth.

So many thoughts regarding this post but I'll just write what's most important: A good adaptation takes all the good things from the source material and weeds out all the bad (sometimes laughably bad) stuff.

However, since we're here anyways, is this the part where I quote you and simply say:

ZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Or should I quote you and GuestStar and say:

Well boo hoo.

But nah that would be such a childish thing for grown-ups to do.

 

[DavidHaller]

sometimes it is difficult to respond to valid arguments, isn't it?

 

[Stan Lee]

But more and more people want accurate characters. We're in the age of MCU, the early 2000s are gone.

The MCU is actually not that different when it comes to character accuracy. Remember Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyn?

 

[marvelrobbins]

The MCU is actually not that different when it comes to character accuracy. Remember Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyn?

all studios make changes.only Fox gets hit over the coils for it.

 

[EnDz0n3]

all studios make changes.only Fox gets hit over the coils for it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. The X-men are/were? popular. That popularity is a double edged sword.

They were a known brand before the movies meaning people were salivating at the thought of an X-men movie.

But they were a known brand in that everyone knows their storylines based on the comics and the cartoons. So when an adaptation deviates from that people call foul.

So when they put Fly-girl Angel as an original student before the likes of Cyclops and Jean, people don't like that. When Halle Berry talks without an accent, people take notice. When Mystique is shoehorned in as Xavier's sister, people complain on message boards

On the other hand, Avengers were barely popular before the movies. Sure they predate the X-men and sure people know Cap, Ol' Shellhead, Hulk, and The God of Thunder but even their cartoons weren't that popular.

So Marvel can change a few things up from the comics and as long as the end result is good, as the movies have been, then everything is hunky dory.

So when they put Hawkeye as an original member before the likes of Ant-Man, people couldn't care less. When Scarlett Johannson talks without an accent, most people wouldn't give a Mickey's arse.

(I'm trying to think of the equivalent of changing someone's sibling in MCU after it's been established in that same film continuity to not exist).

Also doesn't help that I'm a bigger X-men fan than an Avengers fan so I know all the spoilers and the plot before a movie comes out and so it kinda ruins the movie-going experience and so I'm more highly critical of the X-verse. But I wouldn't have it any other way. Following the productions is half the fun.

sometimes it is difficult to respond to valid arguments, isn't it?

You tell me.

 

[2kt09]

So when they put Fly-girl Angel as an original student before the likes of Cyclops and Jean, people don't like that.

Didn't really notice then, but Angel Salvadore and the rest of em' are, even in the movie's context, "First Class" INO. There was no Xavier Institute until after Xavier was wheelchair bound and even then it seemed like Beast was the only member who stuck around.

On the other hand, Avengers were barely popular before the movies. Sure they predate the X-men and sure people know Cap, Ol' Shellhead, Hulk, and The God of Thunder but even their cartoons weren't that popular.

RIP Earth's Mightiest Heroes

So when they put Hawkeye as an original member before the likes of Ant-Man, people couldn't care less. When Scarlett Johannson talks without an accent, most people wouldn't give a Mickey's arse.

It's Ultimate Hawkeye. He joins the SHIELD sanctioned Avengers to fight the Chitauri.
Scar-Jo not having the accent is easily explained away with her occupation.

(I'm trying to think of the equivalent of adding a surrogate sibling in MCU after it's been established in that same film continuity to not exist).

This is to suggest if the MCU ever rebooted.
As far as retcons go, they keep it subtle, recasting aside.

Following the productions is half the fun.

Trivially speaking. I'm all about that content, thus the choices/changes filmmakers make as it builds to this ever growing multiverse.

 

[Stan Lee]

The weren't as known before the movies as you think, EnDz0n3.

And the original run of X-men are unpopular and never haven been adapted. So I doubt most fans really care if they switch around who the original five are.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

When Mystique is shoehorned in as Xavier's sister, people complain on message boards

(I'm trying to think of the equivalent of changing someone's sibling in MCU after it's been established in that same film continuity to not exist).

Mystique & Xavier is really just them being fanfic writers

Only Nebula & Gamora. Which was way more believable

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

So I doubt most fans really care if they switch around who the original five are.

That's why it was one the lowest grossing superhero film of the year and why FoX panicked and brought the old cast back?

FoX just doing whatever they want has turned off a lot of fans

 

[Stan Lee]

Mystique & Xavier is really just them being fanfic writers

Only Nebula & Gamora. Which was way more believable

That's actually from the Ultimate comics. Along with Magneto crippling Xavier.