Sequels Marvel Studios' X-Men?

[Stan Lee]

You are continuously spinning things just to def the film, just like with your other conversations with the other members here (see the Apocalypse thread) who are questioning the film.

You sound like you really don't like me with this ad hominem.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Again you are missing the point, Beast is an A-lister and shouldn't play second fiddle most especially to Mystique. And this is somehow okay to you because of some IMDb screentime count?

Beast didn't play 2nd fiddle, he had his own importance to the film, just because he wasn't put on a high mantel that had better then mystique written all over it doesn't change that.

 

[GuestStar2004]

You sound like you really don't like me with this ad hominem.

You would know if psylockolussus didn't like you, you would be so badly burnt by the block button so he wouldn't be able to read your posts anymore

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Beast didn't play 2nd fiddle, he had his own importance to the film

He was inconsequential to the series

 

[GuestStar2004]

He was inconsequential to the series

It's an assemble movie, they will try and give some importance to most of these characters but not everyone will or can share the same Importance

Hank was the tech guy who is battling his own demons about his mutantion and is responsible for basically everything X-men tech related to cyclops visor to the jet and he got the one on one fight with psylocke to show off his moves also.

There is importance and there is you didn't scream loud enough about how important he was so we didn't hear it.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Hank was the tech guy who is battling his own demons about his mutantion and is responsible for basically everything X-men tech related to cyclops visor to the jet and he got the one on one fight with psylocke to show off his moves also.

Tech should be relegated to Forge or Box.


Beast is more important than that

 

[Legion]

Well remember in the deleted scene where cyclops gets his visor during the mansion rebuild hank was still in blue form and in casual wear.

Deleted scenes aren't canon. Even if they were it's not proof of Hank accepting his blue form since the mansion and all of its contents were destroyed. He may not have had the resources to create his serum.

 

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Tech should be relegated to Forge or Box.


Beast is more important than that

He does do pretty intense stuff off the big screen

 

[EnDz0n3]

Beast didn't play 2nd fiddle,

he had his own importance to the film, just because he wasn't put on a high mantel that had better then mystique written all over it doesn't change that.

For someone who's supposedly a highly intelligent mutant, Beast seems like he was always wrong, he was always saying the wrong things, doing the wrong things. In the beginning of the movie? Sure a character can be wrong but he can develop within the film to learn what's right. But in the third act of the movie? Come on.

Beast was a foil to Mystique in First Class.

He offered her a cure, she asks him "Should we have to hide?"

And at the end "Hey Beast! MUTANT AND PROUD!"

Beast looks away, (as the audience: *cringes* from that terrible line and equally terrible delivery).

Unfortunately by DOFP he was still playing foil, but to a different character this time: Xavier.

After talking about throwing a pebble in the river and how time is immutable, out of all the characters, he seems to be the first one to give up:
"What if she’s meant to kill Trask? What if this is simply who she is?"

And at the end of DOFP, the real kicker: "Shut her down Charles. Get into her head!" as Xavier shakes his head.

So much for being in love with the woman.

And now we're supposed to believe (via StanLee, the SHH poster not the writer) that Beast's arc in Apocalypse was that he finally (!!!) accepted his blue self?

Beast fans sat thru 3 movies with no significant character arc for their favorite character and we're supposed to believe Kinberg when he says Apocalypse completes characters' arcs for all 4 FC characters. Poor guy he finally gets development and it happens offscreen.

Maybe he meant Moira as the fourth character? LOL

 

[Jordacar]

The direction of this thread is making me think we need to not have any X-Men movies for a while.

 

[Stan Lee]

Beast fans sat thru 3 movies with no significant character arc for their favorite character and we're supposed to believe Kinberg when he says Apocalypse completes characters' arcs for all 4 FC characters. Poor guy he finally gets development and it happens offscreen.

First off, Beast doesn't have fans anymore after the way he has been written the past few years. Secondly, it wasn't offscreen. It was during Mystique's speech to the kids with this close up shot at him.

Deleted scenes aren't canon. Even if they were it's not proof of Hank accepting his blue form since the mansion and all of its contents were destroyed. He may not have had the resources to create his serum.

He had the resources to create Scott's viser. Or am I remembering that wrong.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

First off, Beast doesn't have fans anymore after the way he has been written the past few years.

Everybody is somebody's favorite.

Secondly, it wasn't offscreen. It was
during Mystique's speech to the kids with this close up shot at him.

Mystique teaching Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm & Nightcrawler how to be X-Men. Hilarious

 

[EnDz0n3]

First off, Beast doesn't have fans anymore after the way he has been written the past few years. Secondly, it wasn't offscreen. It was during Mystique's speech to the kids with this close up shot at him.

Oh ok.

Poor guy he finally gets development and it's literally one second and is concurrently mutant-shamed and side-eyed by his lover.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It's an assemble that was trying to juggle a dozen characters, Hank could have gone with Charles to see Moira for example but obviously they made it havok probably to give havok more to do in the story, it's pretty much what happens in assemble movies.

Did Hank get a strong arc in apocalypse. No not really it kinda got lost within everything else that was going on but was he left out in the cold? No Hank played a good part in the story and had a fair share of the screen time, not everyone can share the same importance in an assemble piece but going by memory he wasn't wasted and if anyone thinks he was I dunno whether you are just sulking that mystique got something to do at all or whether you felt he role wasn't loud enough.

Then again some complained when they see he was the one fighting psylocke, they didn't think he was worthy enough for that, can't please everyone.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Then again some complained when they see he was the one fighting psylocke, they didn't think he was worthy enough for that, can't please everyone.

Continuous 1v1 fights for the majority of X-Men movies. You swing , then i swing predictable fighting. The only one with a lot of team action they all died. They are supposed to fight as a team.

Say what you want about Civil War but the opening fight sequence could be amazing with X-Men characters on a mission in Madripor

 

[marvelrobbins]

The direction of this thread is making me think we need to not have any X-Men movies for a while.

only x related films for now we can count on are Logan,New mutants,and Deadpool sequels.

 

[Legion]

First off, Beast doesn't have fans anymore after the way he has been written the past few years. Secondly, it wasn't offscreen. It was during Mystique's speech to the kids with this close up shot at him.



He had the resources to create Scott's viser. Or am I remembering that wrong.

Apples and oranges.

 

[GuestStar2004]

only x related films for now we can count on are Logan,New mutants,and Deadpool sequels.

i am pretty certain there will be another X-Men movie by 2019.

 

[Zarex]

i am pretty certain there will be another X-Men movie by 2019.

X Men: The New Mutants is expected to be released in 2018.

 

[psylockolussus]

You sound like you really don't like me with this ad hominem.

It has nothing to do with you personally, I just don't agree with your opinions especially with your reasonings.

 

[GuestStar2004]

X Men: The New Mutants is expected to be released in 2018.

That doesn't really mean much as when i said X-Men i did mean X-Men and not New Mutants as i imagine they shouldn't conflict with each other being made.

And New mutants being in 2018 isn't a big deal because most of the X-Men movies had a year break, 2000,2003,2006,2009 followed by FC in 2011 which is just 2 years but then they had a year break till 2014 but then 2 years again for Apocalypse.

Even Logan was 2014 to 2017.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It's an assemble that was trying to juggle a dozen characters, Hank could have gone with Charles to see Moira for example but obviously they made it havok probably to give havok more to do in the story, it's pretty much what happens in assemble movies.

Assemble Movie? Like Avengers Assemble Movie?

I think you meant Ensemble.

Did Hank get a strong arc in apocalypse. No not really

StanLee-theposter was the one who said he had a strong arc. Better take it up with him.

it kinda got lost within everything else that was going on but was he left out in the cold? No Hank played a good part in the story and had a fair share of the screen time, not everyone can share the same importance in an assemble piece but going by memory he wasn't wasted and if anyone thinks he was I dunno whether you are just sulking that mystique got something to do at all or whether you felt he role wasn't loud enough.

Then again some complained when they see he was the one fighting psylocke, they didn't think he was worthy enough for that, can't please everyone.

The point is Hank has remained the same character from 1963 on to 1983. He barely has any character arcs to speak of in these films and when he does (if we are to believe Kinberg/StanLee-poster) it's barely noticeable.

Like I alluded to in an earlier post, Beast spends the majority of 1960s to 1970s to the start of 1980s "sulking" (I like that word, I'll use it!) about his Beast form and trying to hide and the one thing that snaps him to develop is Mystique's "Then don't [control your power]." Great character development there Kinberg!

Beast should've been the de facto leader of the X-men in Xavier's absence in X-men: Apocalypse. Unfortunately his stunted development in the 1960s-1980s robbed him of that.

 

[Stan Lee]

Did I really say his arc was strong? I don't remember.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Assemble Movie? Like Avengers Assemble Movie?

I think you meant Ensemble.

Exactly!

Beast should've been the de facto leader of the X-men in Xavier's absence in X-men: Apocalypse. Unfortunately his stunted development in the 1960s-1980s robbed him of that.

His development likely wasn't leading to him being the confident de facto leader though so the only reason he should be the leader is because he is the only X-Men member to be kept around from FC to Apocalypse.

Obviously the way Hank was in FC moving forward was his arc, the comics will take a back step to that.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Did I really say his arc was strong? I don't remember.

His arc wasn't strong but i don't think he had a bad part in the movie.