Marvel's Black & Minority Characters: Roundtable Discussion

[mwm1331]

this statement does not match the tone of your previous posts

you come off (to me) as seeing yourself as oppressed by the favoritism shown to and by blacks for blacks

Then you misunderstood. I am far from opressed, However I do recognise that there are problems to be dealt with.

in many places your statements come off (to me) as accusatory and biased not concerned and hopeful

That was not my intent

IMO your inability to see the live and well state of racism today blinds you to the reactionary (which still doesn't make it right) nature of many of the areas that house your complaints

Here where we diagree. I don't belive that racism from whites is much of an issue anymore. Yes there will always be some ignorant individuals, however they are IMO few and far between.

and who controls the music business and what you see on TV blacks... not likely the decision makers base there moves primarily on the cash it will generate right now and with the sales figures that the "thug" image produce it's gonna take us a while to shake that ( take a moment to look at the demographics buying these albums as well might surprise you)

I am aware that more white suburban kids buy rap in overall numbers, but porportionally its still a black consumer base.

 

[mwm1331]

in all seriousness what happen to non reactionary?

Sorry but I cant stand when people spout catchphrases and call it discussion, especially when those catch phrases don't hold up tot he slightest critical thought.

Stupidity I can forgive, ignorance just pisses me off.

 

[Darthphere]

Stupidity I can forgive, ignorance just pisses me off.

Irony.

 

[King Namor]

^Yeah, I'm talking about here in the states though. I know the country is mostly white, so I don't think anyone with real issues about being the only white person somewhere has too much to gripe about as they can easily go somewhere they're not. I'm the only black guy in my office right now aside from another one upstairs, and while the co workers are cool and all, I'm still the only black guy around, and discussions about subjects involving race do come up occasionally, and my opinion always differs.

Texas, California, Mexico and Hawaii are all minority-majorities i.e. a traditional minority is actually the majority and not non-Hispanic Whites. Many cities are predominately Black... Detroit, DC, St. Louis, New Orleans, Atlanta... so there are places that are as Black or Hispanic as where you are is White. By 2050 Hispanics are estimated to be as large a percentage of the population as Whites.


I live in a city that is probably very close to the National average in relation to race distribution between Blacks and Whites, and have still worked in enviroments that were all Blacks and went to an elementary school that was 75/25 Black/White.

I have been married for almost fifteen years and I have never seen my wife as not being the same as me. Most of the time I am totally unaware we aren't the same . The only time I notice is usually when people are looking at us in restaurants and I think that that is because our baby looks 100% White and people are probably wondering did we adopt him.

 

[Varient]

Okay,.. lets go there:

No I was impl pointing oput that your, "he from a isolated area" comment was innacurate. I have lived to date, In South Florida, Pennslyvania, New York, Texas, New Orleans, Georgia, and Tennessee.

SMH You didn't say that,... You referenced Florida and Fort Lauderdale

Heres my deal:
You are someone who didn't go thru it, (sorry,... being raised as a minority in a country where you are the majority is distinctly different than being a minority 24/7.), telling those of us that have to deal with it that we are in the wrong for our responses to dirt done to us.
With respect,.. this was the argument of whites before the civil rights movement,.. that we need to have patience and wait for change,.. that we should knuckle under and accept abuse while continuing to turn the other cheek,.. keep inviting parts of the group that set out or has done us damage into our lives w/o restrictions. If we do effect change we should make it available for everyone,.. sharing all of our resources while being denied access to the resources of others.

Nope,... didn't make sense under the hard light of reason back then,.. doesn't make sense now. You change society suffiecently,.. and most of our stopgaps that you term racist will go away.

No I didn't.
I can point to racially self segregated areas that are middle class as well. I also have a greatd deal of trouble beliveing that whites in an area could exercise that much control over whom a seller sells his hometo.

STOP
R U truly serious? Does the term "redline" mean anything to you?

There is an entire town in central florida that is all black. (then again we have a town which is built at half size becasue all of the residents are mifgets. ) and it isn't due to a lack of economic opportunity.

Sigh,.. in either case is there ANYTHING obstructing others from moving there?
My point here remains the same,... that I know of all-white communities that exist on the DL that strive to remain "white-only " havens while the places you mention are open to all.

Tell you what, you don't try to put words in my mouth, and I won't point out how ignorant doing so is kay?

(Shrugg) You've already pulled a variation of that excuse up already so don't get upset if I let you know in advance that I won't accept that excuse from you in this case.

That you are defending it without even realising it is makes me think perhaps you are the one with racial prejudices.

SMH part 2
No. I explain to you,.. translate what is ment by someone using the term "not black enough" and you call me racist.
TSK.

I'm a moderate,.. and we've yet to disscuss how I feel about Obama,... stay on track please.

As a man running for president his job isn't to look out for blacks, or whites, or half-whites hafl-blacks. Its to do the best job for all of us. And unlike you I do mean both blacks and whites when I say us. And yes the idea that there is such a thing beyond skin color as "blackness" is not only racist it is ignorant.

(smile @ "unlike you")
Now you are being insulting because you can't tell between explaining and having an opinion? Okay,.. I'm not upset about it because the entire spin here is to get you to realize that this 5% nonsense isn't even close to reality.

Yes actually it is. I would assume anyone who has grown up as a minority living with a beliggerent majority can understand where i come from regardless of race. In fact While living overseas I knew a Rom, (gypsy) who grew up in England and experienced much the same things.

Okay fine,.. by your def,.. you are racist.

Do you even realise you just made my point for me?
Think about it, you want to folloow the same policies as the KKK? Only from a black perspective, and its not racist?

(still smiling)
The black Panthers were FORMED to counter the KKK not to take on the same belief structure. Where did I say otherwise?
In that example I find it HARD to believe how you can't SEE the effect of having whites cruising a neighborhood with guns when the oganization that protected them was formed to prevent the white males who were cruising the neighborhood with guns.

Since when is limiting membership to any organisation based only upon an apllicants race, not racist?

You tell me - So The South Islander organizations by dint of only having Isdlanders in them are racist? (for example?)
You seem to want to ignore the cause for such in your pursuit of an "america" vice a (fill in group/race/creed/color)America.
These groups that could be called seperatist did not form out of nothing.
The limitation remains the same,.. to be too obvious in example,.. why would a woman's movement recruit men in positions of power or responsibility?

Furthermore to even suggest that any oragnisation should take its sues fro the policies of the KKK is inane. Much less a congresional caucas in antiona which belives the law should treat all ethnicties equally. Furthermore the mission statement of the CBC is
Now given the goals it would seem that any legislator that is intersted in these goals would be elligble regardless of that legislators race. Or are you saying that only black can be interested in helping black?
Racism is a problem not a solution.

To answer your last,.. I point to the differences between White Americas reaction to bosnia,.. vice ruwanda,.... You tell me.

Every indication from the outside looking in is that because they were blacks killing blacks,.. whites couldn't be bothered in our government,.. yet when it was whites killing whites,.. our government which included a smattering of Blacks bent over backwards to do something.
.

Honestly,.. If it were not still happening at all levels of society I'd have no arguement but it is.

Consider: Were you aware that a recent study concluded that the IQ's of Blacks have narrowed the 15 point gap that had been present in the 1950's that gave fuel to the fire from the dimmer whites that whites were "naturally" smarter?
That the timeframe of this "narrowing" of the gap is the exact same timeframe as "Affirmative Action" being in effect?

Most folk can see the connection between giving Blacks the same ops that whites take for granted and improved living conditions and test scores.

Racism, even if reactionary is still racism.

If that organisation uses racist means to do so yes. For example the Untied way is not racist, it aims to help all who are poor, many of whom are black. The way to defend against racism is not to be racist oneself. The correct response tot he KKK is to create a "black KKK" the correct response is to create org which stand agsint both.

I think the point already made here is the organizations you have beef with were not formed with intent to use racist practices. They are only called racist by you today because they don't accept people who they feel don't cut it for the same reason some have issue with obama,... lack of a cultural connection,.. IE - Not Black enough.

I get that. I understand why they do this. They have NO history that shows them otherwise. There are Black Charity organizations that cover everyone,.. of course they don't make the news,.. but they cover more economic ground than color. They start a school lunch program,... they feed all the kids not just the black ones.
But the orgs that are color specific are there because their creation was needed to get where we have.

The answer here is not to open the minority driven orgs to all colors,.. but to take away their purpose for being so they can either take over or be disbanded.

Forming a all black college when colleges would not accept blacks is not racist, forming an all black college when colleges accept people of all races is. Yes there was a time and place where all black org were necessary. To maintain them as racially seperate institutions today is inane.

(Raised eyebrow) Name one.
Name a black college that refuses apps from white students wanting to go.

Show me one "whites only" congressional caucaus, colelge, corporation etc. There is no such thing beyond organsations such as the KKK which are inheratnly racist and powerless.

Again if racism is the problem it can't also be the solution.

Show me the same showing equal representation,.... you can't Heck,.. more than a few of them give lip service to the concept,.. yet they have been dragged into the public eye when they get caught being less than "PC."


V.

 

[mwm1331]

Okay,.. lets go there:

SMH You didn't say that,... You referenced Florida and Fort Lauderdale

And you wehre the one who assumed I had never lived anywhere between "where I grew up" and "where I live now" In point of fact in addition to the sates mentioned I have lived in several foreig countries. Its why you shouldn't make uninfromed assumptions. And what the hell does SMH mean?

Heres my deal:
You are someone who didn't go thru it, (sorry,... being raised as a minority in a country where you are the majority is distinctly different than being a minority 24/7.), telling those of us that have to deal with it that we are in the wrong for our responses to dirt done to us.

I didn't go through the holocaust either, but I would have no problems telling jews who wanted to commit gonocde against germans they were in the wrong. Your point is baseless. Wrong is wrong, and a history of wrongs being committed do not give you the right to commit them back.

With respect,.. this was the argument of whites before the civil rights movement,.. that we need to have patience and wait for change,.. that we should knuckle under and accept abuse while continuing to turn the other cheek,.. keep inviting parts of the group that set out or has done us damage into our lives w/o restrictions. If we do effect change we should make it available for everyone,.. sharing all of our resources while being denied access to the resources of others.

First of all to lump all whites in with the KKK is racist, Second the simple fact is blacks made more gains prior to the civil rights act, in terms of income, education, and business than they did after. In many respects the legislation following the civil rights act was counter prodcutive( not the act itself but the laws that followed it)
Third who is exactly is denying you resources?

Nope,... didn't make sense under the hard light of reason back then,.. doesn't make sense now. You change society suffiecently,.. and most of our stopgaps that you term racist will go away.

Society did change, get you head out of the 1960's.

STOP
R U truly serious? Does the term "redline" mean anything to you?

No

Sigh,.. in either case is there ANYTHING obstructing others from moving there?

Yes.

My point here remains the same,... that I know of all-white communities that exist on the DL that strive to remain "white-only " havens while the places you mention are open to all.

No they aren't.

(Shrugg) You've already pulled a variation of that excuse up already so don't get upset if I let you know in advance that I won't accept that excuse from you in this case.

No I didn't.

SMH part 2
No. I explain to you,.. translate what is ment by someone using the term "not black enough" and you call me racist.
TSK.

The idea of someone being "blackk enough" in and of itself is inherantly racists as it presupposes the idea that there is somehting inherantly different about blacks from whites.

(smile @ "unlike you")
Now you are being insulting because you can't tell between explaining and having an opinion? Okay,.. I'm not upset about it because the entire spin here is to get you to realize that this 5% nonsense isn't even close to reality.

Except that you yourself are simply proving that you are a racist yourself.

Okay fine,.. by your def,.. you are racist.

WHy becaause I don't belive you have to be black to understand discrimination? Now thats orwellian.

(still smiling)
The black Panthers were FORMED to counter the KKK not to take on the same belief structure. Where did I say otherwise?
In that example I find it HARD to believe how you can't SEE the effect of having whites cruising a neighborhood with guns when the oganization that protected them was formed to prevent the white males who were cruising the neighborhood with guns.

So what was important was that they were white, not thier intent right? No dfference between a honkey trying to opress blacks and a honkey trying to protect them, is that what your saying? That what matters is they were white, not thier intent? Yeah thats racist.

You tell me - So The South Islander organizations by dint of only having Isdlanders in them are racist? (for example?)

The organisations laws are. I know nothing of the org, but if it says you have to be a certain race to belobg then yeah. Duh.

These groups that could be called seperatist did not form out of nothing.
The limitation remains the same,.. to be too obvious in example,.. why would a woman's movement recruit men in positions of power or responsibility?

You can't be this stupid. Why? becasue by recruiting those in power you can effect change quicker. How far would the sufferage movement have gotten if men didn't support it? Think it through. Was it black or white legislators who passed the civil rights act?

To answer your last,.. I point to the differences between White Americas reaction to bosnia,.. vice ruwanda,.... You tell me.

Every indication from the outside looking in is that because they were blacks killing blacks,.. whites couldn't be bothered in our government,.. yet when it was whites killing whites,.. our government which included a smattering of Blacks bent over backwards to do something.

Huh Lets see what government is the only one to have labelled darfur a genocide? Where were the whites being tortured by saddam?
Who was it that stopped America from doing more in darfur? The AU as in African Union. We can't be everywhere at once.

Honestly,.. If it were not still happening at all levels of society I'd have no arguement but it is.

Sure it is.

Consider: Were you aware that a recent study concluded that the IQ's of Blacks have narrowed the 15 point gap that had been present in the 1950's that gave fuel to the fire from the dimmer whites that whites were "naturally" smarter?
That the timeframe of this "narrowing" of the gap is the exact same timeframe as "Affirmative Action" being in effect?

Actually AA wasn't law untill 67 I believe, and in point of fact the number of black college graduates, as well as the rate of improvement in over all black test scores has declined since then. As has the rate of closure of the housing, income, and achievement gaps. While Blacks entering colleges have increased, the number of graduates has decreased. In the meantime highschool and college drop out rates among blacks has skyrocketed. Black fatherlessness has skyrocketed, and so has black functional illiteracy.

Most folk can see the connection between giving Blacks the same ops that whites take for granted and improved living conditions and test scores.

Except that the bulk of the gains in test scores came befor AA, and the rate of increase after AA actually slowed, then declined after AA was passed.

I think the point already made here is the organizations you have beef with were not formed with intent to use racist practices. They are only called racist by you today because they don't accept people who they feel don't cut it for the same reason some have issue with obama,... lack of a cultural connection,.. IE - Not Black enough.

ANd heres what you don't get, Its not only racist, its idiotically counter productive. The larger said orgs get the more power they have to effect change yes? Given that blacks are 15% of the population, how big can they get if they are self segregating? Again if suffregettes hadn't reached out to men, women still wouldn't be able to vote. It was whites who made the civil rights movement successful, whites who passed the legislation.
Think it through.

I get that. I understand why they do this. They have NO history that shows them otherwise. There are Black Charity organizations that cover everyone,.. of course they don't make the news,.. but they cover more economic ground than color. They start a school lunch program,... they feed all the kids not just the black ones.
But the orgs that are color specific are there because their creation was needed to get where we have.

Really? Again it wasn't blacks who changed things, it was whites. Blacks didn't at the time have the power to make the changes. However whites did.

The answer here is not to open the minority driven orgs to all colors,.. but to take away their purpose for being so they can either take over or be disbanded.

Already done.
They can be disbanded now is my point.
As it stands they're counter productive. Furthermore even when blacks needed the most help, other blacks were in the worst position to help. By the time they could help, it was becasue things had already changed.
Unless whites had passed civil rights legislations, there would be no blacks in congress today to have a Black Caucaus.

(Raised eyebrow) Name one.
Name a black college that refuses apps from white students wanting to go.

I concede this point.

Show me the same showing equal representation,.... you can't Heck,.. more than a few of them give lip service to the concept,.. yet they have been dragged into the public eye when they get caught being less than "PC."

I don't understand the question?
Are you looking for organisations with equal representations of whites and blacks? As in the same numbers?

 

[King Namor]

Who has the best Black characters overall? I think DC but Marvel and Image have some good ones.

It's hard to beat Steel, Green Lantern, Spectre, Black Adam, Firestorm II, Mister Miricle III, JJ Thunder, XS, Starboy and Amazing Man. That would be pretty unstoppable team.

 

[Eros]

Its marvel by a mile, they came up with the first black heroes, and still have the best. Also Black Adam is middleastern and not Black dude.

 

[mwm1331]

I agree that DC has much better black Characters. Steel and BL (well the BL from a few years ago) alone put most of marvel's to shame.
Allthough technically blck Adam isn't black. Hes M.E. Gl Is great as well. JJ thunder is a terrific character, and managed to do the poor black kid without being some ghetto stereotrype. But you forgot by far the Best Black Character in the whole of superherodom.
Mr Terrific.

 

[mwm1331]

Its marvel by a mile, they came up with the first black heroes, and still have the best. Also Black Adam is middleastern and not Black dude.

No they didn't.

Wasn't Black Ligthing a DC character he first Black Superhero?
And hoenstly who in Marvel compares to Steel or Mr Terrific?

It sure as hell aint Cage. Hes been turned into a 90's version of a 70 exploitation flick.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Marvel's black heroes have waaaay more characterization and depth than anything DC has created. And people identify with theirs better too.

In my opinion.

 

[Eros]

No they didn't.

Wasn't Black Ligthing a DC character he first Black Superhero?
And hoenstly who in Marvel compares to Steel or Mr Terrific?

It sure as hell aint Cage. Hes been turned into a 90's version of a 70 exploitation flick.

your an idiot if you think BL was the first Black superhero, as Black Panther, storm,Luke Cage, and Falcon came before him. Also Steel is a crap character, and Mr.Terrific is good, but not on the same level as storm or Black Panther.

Steel LOL

 

[mwm1331]

Marvel's black heroes have waaaay more characterization and depth than anything DC has created. And people identify with theirs better too.

In my opinion.

Seriously who?
Im not trying to start an argument but IMO Marvel's Black characters have always been way more streotypical.

I mean luke cage is like "superthug" prowler is "spiderthug" Black panther is "the black phantom" At least with DC they aren't all thugged out.

 

[Eros]

Seriously who?
Im not trying to start an argument but IMO Marvel's Black characters have always been way more streotypical.

I mean luke cage is like "superthug" prowler is "spiderthug" Black panther is "the black phantom" At least with DC they aren't all thugged out.

How is being the crown king of a highly advanced african nation stereotypical? You don't seem to be very educated on marvels Black superheroes.

 

[mwm1331]

How is being the crown king of a highly advanced african nation stereotypical? You don't seem to be very educated on marvels Black superheroes.

Actually I mnetioned that BP alsways seemd like a rip off of the Phantom.

And Well when the only choices are Black american Thug and African Pince, it is pretty sterotypical of the exploitation roles of the late 60's early 70s.

 

[Eros]

Actually I mnetioned that BP alsways seemd like a rip off of the Phantom.

And Well when the only choices are Black american Thug and African Pince, it is pretty sterotypical of the exploitation roles of the late 60's early 70s.

Can you name me some none sterotypical Black Dc heroes in the 60s and 70s? It damn sure wasn't BL.

 

[mwm1331]

Can you name me some none sterotypical Black Dc heroes in the 60s and 70s? It damn sure wasn't BL.

My point was marvel characters still seem to fit the steroetype mode.
BL was very much the stertpye backmin the 70's, as was Luke cage, problemis cage still is from what I can see.

 

[Eros]

My point was marvel characters still seem to fit the steroetype mode.
BL was very much the stertpye backmin the 70's, as was Luke cage, problemis cage still is from what I can see.

you have yet to answer my question. You keep bringing up BL, are the black heroes in Dc that limited?

 

[mwm1331]

you have yet to answer my question. You keep bringing up BL, are the black heroes in Dc that limited?

You referenced him sepcifically in the question iw as responsding to.
Now how about you mention a non sterotypical marvel chacter. One who isn't a thug/former criminal or afican king?
Or is marvels repretoire so limited you can only nem BP and LC?

Since you know between me and king namor we've named like 10.

 

[Eros]

You referenced him sepcifically in the question iw as responsding to.
Now how about you mention a non sterotypical marvel chacter. One who isn't a thug/former criminal or afican king?
Or is marvels repretoire so limited you can only nem BP and LC?

Since you know between me and king namor we've named like 10.

War Machine
Kasper Cole [former cop]
Gabe Jones [Shield]
Storm [an major X-men character]
Triathlon [was an avenger]

To name a few.

 

[Eros]

Also I Can add Patriot [who leads the young avengers] and Isiah Bradley

 

[Eros]

I would also love to add Bill foster and Synch, but thier both sadly dead.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Just A Reminder: Let's not dispense with civilty gentlemen. Nobody's an "idiot" or "stupid" for not seeing eye to eye. Let's enlighten eachother...but keep the tracheas intact.

 

[Varient]

And you wehre the one who assumed I had never lived anywhere between "where I grew up" and "where I live now" In point of fact in addition to the sates mentioned I have lived in several foreig countries. Its why you shouldn't make uninfromed assumptions. And what the hell does SMH mean?

You step on here and make ALL kinds of assumptions as to what blacks are believing/thinking about racism, calling those blacks that blame EVERYTHING in their experience on white people less than,.. and change your argument as folk point out the obvious flaws in your premise,.. and you have something to say about my assumption when you say "I was raised there" And I live there now?

Please get a grip.

I didn't go through the holocaust either, but I would have no problems telling jews who wanted to commit gonocde against germans they were in the wrong. Your point is baseless. Wrong is wrong, and a history of wrongs being committed do not give you the right to commit them back.

Nope. Big diff between wanting genocide on a race and not accepting BS.

Try again.
(BTW SMH = Shake My Head)

First of all to lump all whites in with the KKK is racist, Second the simple fact is blacks made more gains prior to the civil rights act, in terms of income, education, and business than they did after.

(Smirk) 1. Didn't lump all whites with the KKK in the paragraph you are answering, Heck,.. I have yet to lump all whites with the KKK - another assumption on your part as to what I mean.
2. Prove it,... I've spent a few years constructing lectures on such in the military so you post a few links showing Blacks making the same level of gains within the same time period prior to civil rights as they did afterwards.
Tsk I'm surprised you even tried to slide that one by me.

try again.

In many respects the legislation following the civil rights act was counter prodcutive( not the act itself but the laws that followed it)
Third who is exactly is denying you resources?

Your opinion,.. esp without EXAMPLES. Simply saying it's so isn't going to work here.
In ref to "resources" One example would be Education. I realize based on reading the rest of your response that when you can't defend you go to one word responses simply sitting in denial,...But I'll try anyway. In Philadelphia right now there are whites howling about the money produced by blacks to put young black males in some sort of structured schooling. The money is from Black businesses going to black male schools exclusively.
The howling went down in volume when it was pointed out that the attempt had been made to raise the quality of education PERIOD in Philadelphia and it was ignored by folk with their hands on the purse strings who's kids didn't go to school in the effected districts. The businesses involved couldn't afford to raise the entire district so they went with the worst first The black male youth.

These,...... people had no problem with education in Philly until it was being improved with money they had no access to. Suddenly they wanted to contribute with the stipulation that they have access to the money. They were firmly told no,.. hence the belly-aching.

Society did change, get you head out of the 1960's.

Society Is CHANGING,.. it's not where it needs to be,.. Get your head out.

No
Yes.
No they aren't.

Ref the above,.. complete cop-out cause you can't defend w/o losing the points involved.
1. You really can't say ANYTHING about how people live in America if you don't know what Redlining is in ref to.
2. You can't give an example of what would keep whites from moving into a black neighborhood.
3. See number one for the lack of verity on your views on white communities.

No I didn't.

Sigh,.. yes you did. Is this the part where I go back to your descriptions of being beat down in a minority neighborhood because you were white? No thanks.

The idea of someone being "blackk enough" in and of itself is inherantly racists as it presupposes the idea that there is somehting inherantly different about blacks from whites.

No it doesn't,.. it's based on the perception OF BLACKS of how immerced in the culture of said same,... your definition / understanding is flawed.
Gee,.. Philosophy:
Is There such a thing as "Being Grown?"
Is there such a Then as being "Man enough" or "Woman Enough"
Is there such a thing as being "ANYTHING Enough?" Like oh I don't know,.. Smart, dumb, big, small, etc,..

And if so,... why can't there be the concept of "Black enough" in reference to Black people by black people.

Your arrogance is showing.

Except that you yourself are simply proving that you are a racist yourself.

I'm sure you keep repeating that in the hope that I could be,.. which fits with your lil pet theory that blacks are the problem and whites have moved on.

Sorry,.. your fantasy not mine.

WHy becaause I don't belive you have to be black to understand discrimination? Now thats orwellian.

Nope. reference your own words on this,.. I shouldn't have to cut and paste as you dance around the subject.

So what was important was that they were white, not thier intent right? No dfference between a honkey trying to opress blacks and a honkey trying to protect them, is that what your saying? That what matters is they were white, not thier intent? Yeah thats racist.

Hypocrite. I can pull up testimonials where Whites don't feel comfortable with black police because they are black,.. black doctors because they are black, black military because they are black,.. and in each case WHITES in charge to ease the concerns of those white people with issues took the blacks out of the equation,... now you are going to sneer at Blacks doing the same for blacks at a time when whites were coming into their neighborhoods and hurting folk?

Who's the racist who doesn't recognize that his own people have done such for DECADES yet can't allow blacks the same position?
Tsk.

The organisations laws are. I know nothing of the org, but if it says you have to be a certain race to belobg then yeah. Duh.

Specifically they require that you be born there,.. and since no one but islanders are allowed to settle there by the Laws laid down by the US,.. That means all of one race in particular,.. yet for some strange reason I don't see that as racist,.. yet you seem to,.. go figure.

You can't be this stupid. Why? becasue by recruiting those in power you can effect change quicker. How far would the sufferage movement have gotten if men didn't support it? Think it through. Was it black or white legislators who passed the civil rights act?

Ah,.. your lack of knowledge involving history comes up,.. and you call me stupid too.
Whatever,.. just consider "recruiting those in power" = "Throwing the disenfranchised a bone " To keep them quiet and under control.
Take a college course,... you'll do better.

Huh Lets see what government is the only one to have labelled darfur a genocide? Where were the whites being tortured by saddam?
Who was it that stopped America from doing more in darfur? The AU as in African Union. We can't be everywhere at once.

SMH @ You some more.
Don't sidestep,... America isn't the only country to call this Genocide, saddam was attacked for reasons other than Genocide, And Since WHEN has the US been "stopped" by ANYBODY when we believe it's the right thing to do?
Now you're just being silly.

Sure it is.

Sayeth the white guy who of course knows all about Black people where he can toss out a fact like 95% of white folk in America are past racism, and blacks are all about that.
(chuckle)

Actually AA wasn't law untill 67 I believe, and in point of fact the number of black college graduates, as well as the rate of improvement in over all black test scores has declined since then. As has the rate of closure of the housing, income, and achievement gaps. While Blacks entering colleges have increased, the number of graduates has decreased. In the meantime highschool and college drop out rates among blacks has skyrocketed. Black fatherlessness has skyrocketed, and so has black functional illiteracy.
Except that the bulk of the gains in test scores came befor AA, and the rate of increase after AA actually slowed, then declined after AA was passed.

Sources please,.. we'll compare,.. Mine is Marina Krakovsky. and yours is a viewpoint which appears is part of the problem.

The rest of your post kinda dissolved into namecalling and the kind of boasting I expect to read on Stormfront.

(with the exception of the concession on your part in regards to Black colleges admitting anyone who wants to go.)



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Just A Reminder: Let's not dispense with civilty gentlemen. Nobody's an "idiot" or "stupid" for not seeing eye to eye. Let's enlighten eachother...but keep the tracheas intact.

Who u telling,.. I go to lunch and a meeting and come back to see I'm being insulted,..

Tsk.