Marvel's Black & Minority Characters: Roundtable Discussion

[SuperVenom]

Isn't The Rock supposed to be starring in a movie version of his life? Kamehameha, I mean.

Apparently, and he's a good choice IMO since he looks Polynesian compared to a lot of other Hawaiian stars who are mixed like crazy and therefore lost the physical traits.

Not sure what's going on though.

 

[Arach Knight]

Dwayne Johnson is actually half black/half samoan.

 

[OutcryX]

Speaking of Samoans...whatever happened to Mondo?

 

[SuperVenom]

Dwayne Johnson is actually half black/half samoan.

Ya, he don't look black at all though, that's why he would make a good choice to represent the Polynesians. His uncles, the Wild Samoans, look more black than he does and they arent even black.



The guy on the right is Rocks dad the one on the left is his uncle Afa.

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[SuperVenom]

Speaking of Samoans...whatever happened to Mondo?

Not sure, I asked for pics on my Polynesian thread but no one responded, so I don't even know how he looks aside from AoA but thats all when hes already transformed.

 

[OutcryX]

Not sure, I asked for pics on my Polynesian thread but no one responded, so I don't even know how he looks aside from AoA but thats all when hes already transformed.

Pictures of Mondo coming up.

The thing I liked about Mondo, other than his powers...was that he was Husky and represented for the big boys!!!

 

[OutcryX]

Ya, he don't look black at all though, that's why he would make a good choice to represent the Polynesians. His uncles, the Wild Samoans, look more black than he does and they arent even black.



The guy on the right is Rocks dad the one on the left is his uncle Afa.

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I can see African American features in him for sure.

not to demean his Samoan features...
I have a thing for Samoans, Polynesians and all of the Pacific Islanders tho....just plain sexxy...dayum.

 

[SuperVenom]

Pictures of Mondo coming up.

The thing I liked about Mondo, other than his powers...was that he was Husky and represented for the big boys!!!

Now thats ridiculous. The one in the middle looks no where near a polynesian.

But thanks for the pictures.

 

[SuperVenom]

I can see African American features in him for sure.

not to demean his Samoan features...
I have a thing for Samoans, Polynesians and all of the Pacific Islanders tho....just plain sexxy...dayum.

Polynesians themselves have features similar to Africans. I see no African independant features in the Rock though, since a lot of Polynesians already look like him without any Black in them.

And btw, Pacific Islanders includes Micronesia, Melanesia, and Polynesia, so you have to be specific. Phillipines is not part of it, though for some reason they claim it.

 

[OutcryX]

Polynesians themselves have features similar to Africans. I see no African independant features in the Rock though, since a lot of Polynesians already look like him without any Black in them.

And btw, Pacific Islanders includes Micronesia, Melanesia, and Polynesia, so you have to be specific. Phillipines is not part of it, though for some reason they claim it.

i know that pacific islanders includes all those groups...i have no preferances...any and all will do. I don't include the Phillipines in it either. I find the fact that there are other dark races that are not technically 'black' but can easily be confused for it extremely interesting.

That and i have yet to meet a Samoan, Micronesian, Melanesian, or Polynesian that i have NOT found attractive. Beautiful people.

 

[SuperVenom]

i know that pacific islanders includes all those groups...i have no preferances...any and all will do. I don't include the Phillipines in it either. I find the fact that there are other dark races that are not technically 'black' but can easily be confused for it extremely interesting.

That and i have yet to meet a Samoan, Micronesian, Melanesian, or Polynesian that i have NOT found attractive. Beautiful people.

Thanks for the compliment on my people

Micronesians tend to look asian, such as Guam since there is a heavy mongoloid mixture there.

Melanesian, although not black, can be confused as such because they have the same charcoal skin, hair, and such.



Polynesians (and I am not bragging or anything, just facts) are bigger than the previous two mentioned, and like I also mentioned before are naturally mesomorphic (tend to have muscle mass). Samoans, Hawaiians, Tahitians, Tongans, etc. Now adays though, like I also mentioned, the Polynesians are really not that pure since there is so many mixtures such as in Hawai'i during the plantation days when they immigrated the asians to work the fields. Plus a lot of them died due to no medical care, poverty, disease brought over, etc.

Sorry if I talked too much, I just like to get the most information on these people as possible since thanks to the media, barely anyone knows the true polynesians, just like Arach was under the false idea that they were "obviously asian".


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[OutcryX]

Lets move forward shall we? How about we change the topic to one of MY favorite characters. The X-Man we all know as:

BISHOP​

Why is it that Bishop is not as Popular as his fellow X-Men? He is one of only 2 Black male X-Men(Maggot being the other...he's kinda dead right now) and 4 Black X-Men all together(Storm and Cecilia Reyes who is Blatino).
Why is it that he has been always written as a Big Badass Mofo who is also a cop? When he was actually given an interesting storyline, IMO, the one involving him and Deathbird in Space...it was quickly ended and wrapped up so he could go back to being good soldier boy. He has the potential to be one of the most powerful and interesting X-Men ever but apparently....NOBODY knows how to write this character. Lobdell and Nicieza(i spelled that wrong) were close and the best so far as writing him. But Claremont? He is killing the character along with everyone else on his book. Your opinions are welcome

 

[SuperVenom]

Cant see the pics mate.

 

[OutcryX]

they are there for all to see

 

[SuperVenom]

Bishop is not a favorite because of what you already pointed out. He was good when we were first introduced to him, but IMO got slowly boring. In Age of Apocalypse, all he does is get beat.

BTW, I still can't see the pictures.

 

[OutcryX]

Bishop is not a favorite because of what you already pointed out. He was good when we were first introduced to him, but IMO got slowly boring. In Age of Apocalypse, all he does is get beat.

BTW, I still can't see the pictures.

The pics are back up. Not the ones i wanted originally but they'll do. But Thats just it. Bishop got boring because the writers act as if they don't know what to do with him. Him and Storm both actually but she had her turn already. Bishop is man displaced in time. His reality may or may not come to be. He came back to stop the traitor to the X-Men, he achieved that when Onslaught(Prof. X) tried to kill the X-Men. So what now? There are sooo many option that this character has and nobody does anything with him. It is sickening.

 

[SuperVenom]

The pics are back up. Not the ones i wanted originally but they'll do. But Thats just it. Bishop got boring because the writers act as if they don't know what to do with him. Him and Storm both actually but she had her turn already. Bishop is man displaced in time. His reality may or may not come to be. He came back to stop the traitor to the X-Men, he achieved that when Onslaught(Prof. X) tried to kill the X-Men. So what now? There are sooo many option that this character has and nobody does anything with him. It is sickening.

I like the second one, looks cool.

It's really hard to decide what to do with Bishop since his mission is already done. Theres really nothing left for him to do (in terms of why he was introduced into the story). Leaving it as a cop is basically just keeping things neutral and nothing at the calibur as how he used to be. Maybe it would be cool to just have him scour different realities and such, but that's all I can think of at the moment.

 

[terry78]

Not to get off the issue of Bishop, but as a side note regarding the thread's topic, what do you think of Dwayne McDuffie and his involvement in the comic world as a writer for both books and tv series?

 

[Zoken]

I think that Bishop isn't that popular of a character because of the complicated backstory on him. look at the popular characters and their backstories.

Kurt: former circus performer, almost burned at the stake.

Gambit: former theif, cajun charmer.

the really popular characters have catchy easy to remember back stories. I know I dumbed those two down a lot, but that is what people remember. I really think that Bishop's problem is just as stated above; he's lost his functionality. they're trying to find a place fore him, a serious place for him, and I think it might really be best in either the District X series or the Uncanny X-Men (the series following the XSE)

 

[OutcryX]

I think that Bishop isn't that popular of a character because of the complicated backstory on him. look at the popular characters and their backstories.

Kurt: former circus performer, almost burned at the stake.

Gambit: former theif, cajun charmer.

the really popular characters have catchy easy to remember back stories. I know I dumbed those two down a lot, but that is what people remember. I really think that Bishop's problem is just as stated above; he's lost his functionality. they're trying to find a place fore him, a serious place for him, and I think it might really be best in either the District X series or the Uncanny X-Men (the series following the XSE)

Complicated back story...that may well be...but had Bishop een say ...Cable...or Rachel(other time/relatiy displaced mutants who HAPPEN to be SUmmers AND white) then his history would have been fully delved into and explored.

Yeah he had Bishop the last Xman mini series...but that was a joke. Any interesting subplot involving Bishop has been dropped. Sush as Bishop and Gambit's rivalry, Bishop being the target of Dark Beast due to his invovlement with AoA, Bishop and his sister, Shard's relationship, hell how about an update as to where Shard is? Bishop and DeathBird's relationship? Do they NOT have a daughter named Aaliyah? Bishop and Sage? Bishop and Storm? Bishop's relationship if any...to Gateway....or M(he called her mother once).....all have been pushed aside.

The fact is that his possibilites for story expansion and to make him interesting and cool again ARE there...WHY aren't they being used? They are trying to make Gambit and Rogue popular again(and failing miserably) they brought Havok and Lorna back from obscurity and have given them some major spotlight as far as their backstory goes...But as for Bishop? He is good soldier boy, there to follow Storm's command or he is a 'cop'....and that is just...lame.

 

[Zoken]

okay, one, Cop, does not equal "lame". I like that they have a mutant finally aquire a REAL job. I'm sorry but most of the mutants marvel puts out, for their Occupation the list "Adventurer" Bishop is one of the few that has a real job. he is an officer of the law. I think thats pretty damn cool.

and you want to suggest that its because he's black that he's not getting enough press? oh my god! what about the ten million white characters that are written off into obscurity. they don't even appear in OTHER people's titles. Bishop is in two. and so what if he's following storm's lead? She's a good leader. also he is in two titles tht I know about. care to continue whining?

 

[OutcryX]

Dont put words in my mouth. And i did not suggest that b/c he is cop he is lame. I am suggesting that they DO something with it. And yes there may be 'ten million' other white superheros written into oblivion but Bishop is THE lone Black male X-Man.....lets have him do more than be the 'token' And I will "whine" if I want. I am voicing my opinion. Do not come at me trying to talk down to me about my opinion. I will say and do as I please. I will not further get into a discusiion with you seeing as you are missing my point. This thread is about a positive dialogue about Marvels mutants of COLOR...which Bishop is. Moving along...

 

[Zoken]

I understand that this thread is about mutants of color, thats why I kept the focus of my argument on Bishop. And I certainly hope my dialouge wasn't negative. Bishop is a great character, he can be used more. I just don't think that the reason he isn't is because he's black.

I didn't put words in your mouth.: He is good soldier boy, there to follow Storm's command or he is a 'cop'....and that is just...lame.

^ your words. maybe I misinterperted what you meant. if I did, then I'm sorry. I thought you were alleging that being a police officer was lame. again, my apolgies if I misunderstood.

and about him being the "Lone Black X-Man" you youself said there was also Maggot. there is also Prodigy and Tag in the New X-Men books. do you complain about Skin as well, he is the "Lone hispanic X-Man". I don't see him as a "Token". that would be my cousin (Seriously he has a shirt that says "TBG" on the front, and "Token Black Guy" on the back, he thinks its hilarious).

Frankly Bishop is in major roles in two ongoing titles right now. thats more than some have.

 

[Guyverjay]

Ahh yes....everybody should be familar with the Hawaiin King, Kamehameha. Dragon Ball after all borrowed the name for one of the series most powerful attacks.

Coincidence actually


The move was invented by Kamesennin (muten roshi) which translates into "Turtle master" which is what he is. Akira torayamas wife actually came with "hame ha" for Kamesennin's special attack according to the interview he did with Shonen Jump magazine

 

[OutcryX]

I understand that this thread is about mutants of color, thats why I kept the focus of my argument on Bishop. And I certainly hope my dialouge wasn't negative. Bishop is a great character, he can be used more. I just don't think that the reason he isn't is because he's black.

I didn't put words in your mouth.: He is good soldier boy, there to follow Storm's command or he is a 'cop'....and that is just...lame.

^ your words. maybe I misinterperted what you meant. if I did, then I'm sorry. I thought you were alleging that being a police officer was lame. again, my apolgies if I misunderstood.

and about him being the "Lone Black X-Man" you youself said there was also Maggot. there is also Prodigy and Tag in the New X-Men books. do you complain about Skin as well, he is the "Lone hispanic X-Man". I don't see him as a "Token". that would be my cousin (Seriously he has a shirt that says "TBG" on the front, and "Token Black Guy" on the back, he thinks its hilarious).

Frankly Bishop is in major roles in two ongoing titles right now. thats more than some have.

Maggot tho..is dead...for now anyways. Bishop is in two books but name your top 5 X-Men...is he in the list? more often 'No' than 'Yes'. It is because the writers will not do anything interesting with his character. Hell in District X they had to give him a partner who is having trouble at home just to keep the book interesting. That book is more about, I believe, Ismael Ortega than Bishop. When Bishop came back in time he was written as a hard core XSE officer suddenly left without a home or friends or family but had a sole purpose of protecting the X-Men from the 'traitor' now that he has done that...He has gained the friends, the family and a home. So let's push him to the back and bring him around every so often... I am not implying anything. Its obvious how they write him. I frankly, just don't like the way the character is being written.

As for Skin being the only 'hispanic' or latino....well he isn't much of either now that they killed him without reason. But there is also Rictor, Sunspot and...well damn...Skin would have been the third. There are some females: Feral and Thornn, Reyes...also Skin's ex girlfriend Torres who displayed some sort of telekinetic/telepathic abilities. Now there is yet another outrage, where are the Latino heroes, or Native American(Proudstar, Risque[she is actually part cuban as well], Karma....and?) not many from ANY minority. It is because most readership is NOT black, latino, native american, or from the pacific islands(Poly, Mico, Mela-nesian)[Mondo] or east indian[Thunderbird III], or arabic[Dust]? Me thinks yes. But that does not mean that the characters that DO exist should be written poorly or just given something to do to keep people appeased(Bishop being a cop, Karma being a teacher) Dammit im ranting. Just wish he were more popular and not understanding why he isn't, thats all...carry on