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Anywho... Back to ME...

I'm replaying the first one and I still hate driving the Mako around. They seriously put me to sleep, to the point where I'd rather do laundry... :p
 
Heh, I remember saying something like maybe the Rachni will turn on you or something earlier, and you'll laughed, now it may be true, haha. Nah, that probably won't be the case since it was a good decision. It may backfire, though, maybe the Queen breeds too much or something.

if it turns out you were right all along I'm gonna be bummed out lol

My guess is that they will end up being indoctrinated.

now that I think about it they only really need to get to the queen, after that they have control over rachni behaviour... ugghhh I'm kinda dreading what's gonna happen now hahah.
 
Well we know the Rachni were indoctrinated during the Rachni Wars but I doubt the decision to save them will result in them turning on you. Bioware won't just arbitrarily punish you like that by having the Rachni turn out to be a colossal mistake - however I expect that maybe some factions will be less likely to join you (looking at the Krogan) and other such complications that will arise along the way.
 
I had a suspicion since I first made the Rachni decision in the first game that it could come back to bite you in the ass. Though like Upset Spideyfan, I don't they'll necessarily turn on you, but under certain conditions it might make dealing with certain factions difficult.
 
Yeah, I can totally see the Krogan being "difficult" to deal with if you let the Rachni queen survive.
 
I want real consequences. Say if you don't get the Krogan on your side, Earth is destroyed or if you didn't get the Rachni you lose half your crew or stuff like that. :up:
 
Better yet. Make the Rachni be a possible love interest. :up:
 
The game would sell more to the strange tentacle hentai crowd that's for sure.
 
Yea... what you described is a xenophobe. Xenophobes don't hate other races or in this case, species, they are just suspicious and "weary" of them.

There is a difference between racist (specie-ist?) and xenophobe.

I would argue she isn't a considered an xenophone still. To be honest I think distrustful is a better word to use than weary (although practically the same-ish) to describe her feelings about other alien races which is not part of xeneophobia.


Free Dictionary Defintion:
Xenophobe: A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples.

She doesn't fear alien races at all & I would argue she doesn't feel contempt either since she doesn't despise and/or find them inferior alien races.

And to just back me up a little the Mass Effect wiki says this:

"she tends to be distrustful of aliens. Ashley doesn't trust the Citadel Council and believes humanity can't rely on them staying allies."

" That being said, Ashley isn't xenophobic. She dismisses Terra Firma as a group of xenophobic "jackals" who have replaced the original noble aims of the party with anti-alien paranoia. Also, even though she will not hesitate to shoot Wrex if she believes he presents a threat to Shepard on Virmire, she happily volunteers to go with Captain Kirrahe's team and works well with the salarians, respecting their tenacity and skill."


Xenophobia has nothing to do with trust/weariness to be honest, it has to do more with hatred or despising somebody or something, I checked other dictionary defintions (merriam webster, etc) & they don't include trust/weary in it either.

Anyway not really mad or anything I just find it odd people still get confused, I've seen people say it before & they used to get proven wrong on the Bioware forums quite reguarly :oldrazz:
 
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Okay, well...what if Ashley was cool with Aliens, but instead she was "distrustful" of black people? Would you be arguing that she wasn't racist?
 
Xenophone is a different word to racist with a different defintion so its a different discussion but is Ashley essentially a racist? Maybe although she doesn't hate alien races & she will happily work with & fight alongside them. I might say that a racist (more than just a little bit) perhaps might not do that.

Racist defntion:
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

I don't think Ashley fits under that label since none of her trust has to do with their physical appearance or necessarily think that all alien races think they are better than humans, you might say she might very well think that which accounts for some of her trust issues though I think she grows as a character working with aliens in the game. Be interesting to see how she is in ME3 towards aliens.

The second line on the definition says this:
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
Ashley may very well fall under having some prejudice towards aliens & automatically not trusting them.

So I'd probably say she is a bit more racist than the average human towards alien races although I wouldn't say she is a really strong one, I'm sure she would consider some of the "alien" squadmates friends now.
 
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Okay, well...what if Ashley was cool with Aliens, but instead she was "distrustful" of black people? Would you be arguing that she wasn't racist?

ya can't trust them darkies.....all we want to do is bang the white wimmen and make illegitimate babies

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Ashley's not racist. Xenophobic hits the nail on the head. I mean, cut her some slack...it's not like different races of people are that comparable to different races of lifeforms. Looking at a Krogan...in a universe that relatively recently just had aliens become a part of it, makes sense with how her dad went down like a punk *****. Her reaction reminds me more of how some people speak of Mexicans with regard of the border.

This also reminds me of the GiantBombcast GOTY podcast episodes, where Ryan called Mordin a "Nazi" for his part in the Krogan genophage. I mean, I wouldn't call Mordin a Nazi...but he did do some ****ed up ****...

I love Ashley, I thought she was an interesting character...and pretty much everytime, on every playthrough but one, did I choose her over Kaiden (he's just...not interesting to me.) I also thought her reaction to Shepard (or, atleast default male Shep) made more sense than Kaiden's reaction to my default male Shepard.

I don't know if it's too much to want all of those people as possible squad mates in ME3. There's a case to be made for all of them, I think.
 
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In the event that it hasn't been stated, Ashley also tends to respect the aliens she serves with in Shepard's crew, even if there's only a couple. So does Pressly - and he has self-admitted prejudices, but oh, I don't see anyone calling him a racist.

Ashley also calls foul on working with Cerberus, which, you know, seems kind of funny if she's a racist and self-serving pro-human evil wench.
 
Anywho... Back to ME...

I'm replaying the first one and I still hate driving the Mako around. They seriously put me to sleep, to the point where I'd rather do laundry... :p

I didn't like it at first, but I tolerated it after a while. The big thing I never got over was how long it took for your shields to restore to full capacity. I literally took a piss, made some tea and a sammich, and it still wasn't to full capacity. I'm glad they got rid of it.
 
In the event that it hasn't been stated, Ashley also tends to respect the aliens she serves with in Shepard's crew, even if there's only a couple. So does Pressly - and he has self-admitted prejudices, but oh, I don't see anyone calling him a racist.

To be fair to Pressly, via his diary we find out he did a complete 180 degree turn from his previous beliefs.

More than what she thinks or doesn't think of aliens, I was more than a bit disturbed at the totally cavalier manner with which she dispatched Wrex on my first playthrough. I felt a bit creeped out when she started pumping rounds into him with that detached expression on her face and the total lack of remorse following that. :csad::wow:

ChrisBaleBatman pointed out Mordin's actions but in contrast what happened deeply affected Mordin to the point that he's been in his own little way trying to balance the cosmic scales on Omega in the interim.

I felt like Ashley never gave Wrex another thought - I guess that didn't really sit well with me.

Still, as I said - I'm glad she's back and I'm looking forward to the drama! :awesome:

Ashley also calls foul on working with Cerberus, which, you know, seems kind of funny if she's a racist and self-serving pro-human evil wench.

While I agree she's not those things I felt like her refusal to work with Cereberus was borne moreso out of the fact that they are at odds with the Alliance.
 
In the event that it hasn't been stated, Ashley also tends to respect the aliens she serves with in Shepard's crew

Really? Because I remember her telling my Shepard, within earshot of Garrus and Wrex, that she doesn't trust them. That doesn't seem very respectful to me.

Also there's this:

Ashley "she's only a little bit racist" Williams said:
I can't tell the aliens from the animals.

So does Pressly - and he has self-admitted prejudices, but oh, I don't see anyone calling him a racist.

You kind of don't have to point out someone as being a racist when they admit to being one. Also, Pressly is a very minor character with only a few lines and isn't nearly as worthy of discussion or debate as a major character like Ashley.

Ashley also calls foul on working with Cerberus, which, you know, seems kind of funny if she's a racist and self-serving pro-human evil wench.

Depending on what side missions you do in ME1 she's either only seen the bad side of Cerberus or hasn't been exposed to them at all and therefore doesn't really know what she's talking about.
 
IIRC Ashley also doesn't like Terra Firma because she considers them xenophobic.
 
Am I the only one that can honestly say that I myself probably wouldn't fully trust an alien species either? I mean, c'mon, be honest. Have any of you watched the news? I don't really trust the HUMAN race.

I'd probably trust an Alien race less, more so if they had a bit of a war with my race....

I don't have a problem saying that and I can assure you that I'm not racist. Ashley says what she says about Garrus and Wrex early on in the game... Garrus is C-Sec and they seem look down on humans (at least the aliens in C-Sec do) and Wrex will do whatever for money.

So...I can kind of see her point at first. I've had her in my party though with Garrus, or Tali and she's talked to them, even complimented them. Trust issues? Yes. Racist? No.
 
To be fair to Pressly, via his diary we find out he did a complete 180 degree turn from his previous beliefs.

More than what she thinks or doesn't think of aliens, I was more than a bit disturbed at the totally cavalier manner with which she dispatched Wrex on my first playthrough. I felt a bit creeped out when she started pumping rounds into him with that detached expression on her face and the total lack of remorse following that. :csad::wow:

I felt like Ashley never gave Wrex another thought - I guess that didn't really sit well with me.
And Ashley, either via dialogue in ME1 or via codex entry - I know I read it somewhere - does some amount of turn from her previous beliefs. Not a lot, but then, she's not racist. And it's a more personalized matter of development, similar to Pressly's. It isn't about entire species when either of them change, either - it's about the individuals involved that they've dealt with.

Regarding the Wrex situation, Ashley really doesn't deal with him in any different a way than Shepard with a renegade action does. Wrex is dead in my primary playthrough, who is a Shepard that lets nothing get in the way of the mission - certainly not racist. Also, whether Ashley shows remorse on her face or not has no relation to whether she enjoys personal satisfaction from killing the evil alien scum. If she had a big freaky smile on her face, then hey, I'd be right there with you.

Really? Because I remember her telling my Shepard, within earshot of Garrus and Wrex, that she doesn't trust them. That doesn't seem very respectful to me.
Fair enough on the Pressly and Cerberus points - hence why they are not quoted. Though, I would argue that minor characters are worth analyzation when related to the conversation, but the point has been made.

Regarding her "I can't tell the aliens from the animals" line - way to take it out of context. You're trying to use this as proof of racism? Okay. How, exactly? Because quite a few of the alien species look animalistic in appearance. Furthermore, given that it's voice-acted, we can look at tone - and it's said in the same tone with which Kimberly Brooks delivers all of Ashley's joking/sarcastic lines. People have been crying about this line and taking it out of context for years, but it hasn't been a winning point yet. Don't be like those idiots.

Ashley sums up her own outlook quite well during one of her dialogues on the Normandy, regardless. In it she states that all she's talking about is she expects it to be realistic that every species put itself first - Asari will value Asari above others, Salarians will value Salarians above others, Turians will value Turians above others, etc. Why? Because it's human nature.

And to finally get to your quoted mention about her distrusting Garrus and Wrex - yes, initially. It's also a qualified distrust, which you left out. Her distrust in the specific instance is about letting them in the nuts and bolts of a prototype Alliance vessel, which is really no different than if someone in the U.S. military didn't want someone from Britain flying a brand-spanking-new military plane.
 
You let Wrex die? Have you no soul? Even as a full renegade i let him live. Wrex is a bawss.
 
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