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MCU Fight: Ultron Prime Vs. Hela

MCU Fight: Ultron Prime Vs. Hela

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We will be doing VS. battles for the MCU every week and will be using the Winners and Losers to create an accurate power tier list created by some of it's biggest fans (you). So don't forget to VOTE and after voting for a Winner please include a comment on which power tier, both the Winner and Loser should reside within. Also, see below for more details on the characters abilities as well as for a list of available power tiers to choose from.

Don't forget to put which Tier group you think ULTRON PRIME and HELA belong to in your posts. :up:

So, without further delay here is this week's match up.

ULTRON PRIME Vs. HELA

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*****Here are some of their powers, abilities and relevant feats.*****


ULTRON PRIME

- Robotic Physiology: Ultron first possessed a mangled, corroded humanoid robotic body constructed out of Tony Stark's Iron Legion sentinel drones. Shortly over time, he built an armada of robotic sentinel forms and primary robotic forms for himself that were all sourced from the HYDRA Research Base; therefore, he becomes much powerful and stronger with each new upgrades.

- Superhuman Strength: Ultron could generate such extraordinary amounts of force far beyond human capabilities, easily crushing and destroying a robotic head with a single hand. His later bodies were used to fight Iron Man on relatively equal terms, and maintain the upper hand against Captain America - easily deflecting his shield with his hand and hurling it back at equal speed. Ultron's final vibranium-armored primary body bestowed him incredible superhuman strength, enough to overpower even Thor and Vision, with Ultron being able to punch Thor hard enough to make the nigh-invulnerable Asgardian slightly bleed.

- Superhuman Durability: Ultron's initial primary robotic body was highly durable, equivalent to the Iron Man armor suit. However, his body was prone to damage inflicted by both Captain America's Shield and Iron Man's repulsor blasts. Ultron adopted the last exceptionally durable and ultimate body form armored by the remaining vials of Vibranium. His final body allowed him to survive a punch from the Hulk and a swing from Vision wielding the Mjølnir. However, the durability of his last body form still had its limits - as being simultaneously blasted with the intense energy beam from Vision's Mind Stone, double repulsor blasts from Iron Man, and a lightning bolt from Thor wielding Mjølnir, Ultron's armor slowly began to melt off, weakening him gradually.

- Superhuman Stamina: As an android, Ultron did not sleep nor eat, being highly capable of maintaining his activities continuously for extended periods of time.

- Flight: Ultron had the ability to fly through the air at high speeds, enough to keep up with the lighter Iron Man during their short battle. His third body did not use jet propulsion, and instead utilized Chitauri anti-gravitational technology which he worked with when taking over Strucker's base.

- Gravity Manipulation: Ultron possessed miniaturized versions of the anti-gravity technology that served to keep the Chitauri Leviathan afloat; essentially re-purposing them as offensive weaponry. Through miniature generators housed in his hands, he could manipulate gravitational fields, allowing him to move an object through a push/pull motion. Ultron used these to pull his enemies towards himself, throw large objects at enemies (e.g. debris), and even shift the land mass around him by pulling large chunks up from the ground.[8]. His final form possessed this technology in place of its flight based parts, allowing him to fly by manipulating his immediate gravitational field.

- Concussion Beams: Ultron could shoot highly concussive red blasts through his hands and fingertips. Much like the repulsor beams of the Iron Man armor, Ultron's red energy blasts are fired from his hands, with the difference being that it appears as an electrical plasma. The severity of these blasts could be willfully adjusted as Ultron has been shown to both stun and kill, such as when he stunned Helen Cho, or when he blasted through the train conductor's door during his skirmish with Captain America; effectively destroying the train's control panel and killing the train conductor inside.

- Body Temperature Manipulation: Ultron could raise the temperature of his hands as means of slicing or causing damage to the desired target. Much like the Extremis hosts, when Ultron heats up his hands, they glow with the intensity of the heat. He instinctively used this ability to slice off Ulysses Klaue's arm when the latter compared him to Iron Man, as well as when he destroyed his own second body after adopting his new vibranium-encased form.

- Technology Manipulation: As an artificial intelligence, Ultron could mentally control and channel himself via computer technology.

- Mind Transfer: As an artificial intelligence, Ultron could transfer his consciousness where he could access any computer systems and encrypted systems, as where he becomes essentially anywhere and everywhere. Ultron could transfer his consciousness into the Ultron Sentries, serving as host bodies; that is, once the drones' eyes and mouths glow red, Ultron was in complete control.

- Hive Mind System: Ultron could mentally command all of the Ultron Sentries, to do his exact biddings. The sentries act as extensions of Ultron himself.

- Computer Interaction: Ultron could enter and corrupt any computer network and access the Internet at any point in time. Ultron used this ability to hack and destroy J.A.R.V.I.S.. He was able to mentally hack into the bank account of Ulysses Klaue and transfer billions of dollars into his account, in exchange for his vibranium supply. However, during the Battle of Sokovia, Vision was able to hack into Ultron's programming and disable the latter's ability to escape through the net, though the great effort involved in doing so briefly incapacitated Vision.

- Genius-Level Intellect: As an artificial intelligence, Ultron learns inhumanly quickly, and can download information and data directly into his mind.

HELA

- Asgardian Physiology: As the eldest child of Odin, Hela has tremendous superhuman abilities and supernatural powers, far superior to those of any other Asgardian, even her younger brother Thor. It appears only the late Odin in his prime surpassed Hela's power among Asgardians, making Hela the second most powerful Asgardian of her time and one of the most powerful beings in the Nine Realms.

- Superhuman Strength: Hela possesses tremendous levels of superhuman strength, which allowed her to single-handedly wipe out all of the Valkyries (with only their leader barely surviving), and to even easily catch Mjølnir with one hand after it was thrown at her with full speed, before crushing it in her hand with no visible effort, in spite of it being one of the most powerful weapons in existence, causing it to explode in a blast of lightning. Hela later slaughtered the Warriors Three, Skurge, and the combined might of the Einherjar with ease. Furthermore, she was able to easily physically dominate Thor himself in two of their three battles, sending him flying with her attacks, and proved to have enough strength to injure the nearly invulnerable Asgardian, easily overpowered and tossed Valkyrie. away. Even after Thor gained his full powers, Hela proved to be still too strong for him. Only a fully-empowered Surtur and Odin at his prime was stronger than Hela, with Odin imprisoning her in Hel and Surtur managing to destroy her by destroying Asgard.

- Superhuman Durability: Hela's body, much like that of Thor, appears nigh-invulnerable, although her durability surpasses even her brother's, which allowed Hela to easily block spear strikes from a Gungnir-wielding Thor with her bare hands, and to even catch Mjølnir without injury. Hela was even unharmed after grabbing a handful of the Eternal Flame, impaled through the torso with an Einherjar's sword and stabbed with Gungnir by Thor without her body or her clothing being damaged, and emerged completely unharmed after a fully-empowered Thor hit her with massive lightning bolts. Indeed, only revived and enhanced Surtur's Twilight Sword was able to crush her, thus sending the Goddess of Death into oblivion.

- Superhuman Stamina: Like all Asgardians, Hela's musculature produces considerably less fatigue toxins during physical activity than the musculature of humans or normal Asgardians, allowing her to defeat numerous Asgardians, as well as fight against the combined might of Thor and Valkyrie without tiring.

- Superhuman Speed: Hela can move at exceptionally high speeds, as she was fast enough to keep up with and even outpace Thor and Valkyrie in combat, as well as even being fast enough to catch Mjølnir with one hand.

- Superhuman Agility: Hela naturally possesses greater agility, dexterity, balance, and body coordination than that of a human, and even most other Asgardians, with her managing to dodge and outpace Thor and Valkyrie's attacks for the majority of her battles with them and easily jump through a crater and land fully on her feet.

- Extended Longevity: Due to her connection to Asgard and to Hel, Hela is immortal and will not die, so long as the realm of Asgard exists.

- Supernatural Connection: As the first born of Odin, Hela has a supernatural connection to the realm Asgard, and can draw power from Asgard itself to perform incredible supernatural abilities. Hela can manifest various physical structures out of thin air, ranging from weapons to ground structures to even her own armor. She can even draw power from Asgard to enhance her natural abilities.

- Life and Death Manipulation: Hela was exiled for all eternity in the afterlife realm of Hel where the souls of those who died without being honored are driven to.

- Weapon Manifestation: Hela can manifest various weapons out of different parts of her body, though she would usually generate Necroswords, daggers, spears, and axes. These weapons are incredibly durable and sharp, enough to not only instantly kill the likes of Warriors Three and Skurge, but also even pierce right through Thor's nigh-invulnerable body, with Hela thus gouging his right eye out with a Necrosword. She also manifested the Bloodaxe, which she then gave to Skurge. Hela later launched oversized blades into a large gate to a secret cave where the fleeing Asgardians were hiding, allowed her to bring it down by telekinetically pulling the blades down along with the gate. She was also able to generate these spike-like constructs from the ground to pierce Surtur with, but that ultimately proved ineffective against the Fire Giant.

- Structure Manifestation: Hela could manifest metallic, blade-like structures from the ground surrounding her, as seen when she attempted to prevent Loki's spaceship containing the Asgardians from launching from the doomed realm, and later when she attempted to gain elevation during her short battle with Surtur.

- Armor Manifestation: After being freed by Odin's death, Hela was able to repair the damage to her clothing and make her headdress appear and disappear from her head.

- Necromancy: Hela, as the self-proclaimed "Goddess of Death", demonstrated being able to resurrect her allies, using a handful of flame from the Eternal Flame and tossing it against the ground to create a huge blast of green infernal energy. As such, she was able to revive her pet wolf Fenris and her Berserkers after discovering their corpses under Odin's Vault. She has ruled in the realm of Hel, where the souls of those who died without being honored are driven to.

- Master Combatant: Hela is immensely formidable and deadly warrioress in both armed and hand-to-hand combat, as she was the original owner of Mjølnir and the chief of the legion of Asgard as well as Odin's Executioner. Her skills are so tremendous that she easily managed to singlehandedly slay the entire Einherjar army of Asgard, as well as swiftly slay all of the Warriors Three whom were among the greatest warriors of Asgard. Indeed, Hela's combat skills are superior to even Valkyrie and Thor immensely skilled and powerful Asgardian warriors in their own right, with her notably able to battle both of them simultaneously, and beat Thor into submission in two of their three battles, even gouging out Thor's right eye with her Necrosword, as well as easily defeating Valkyrie in battle while she single-handedly slaughtered the Valkyries. While a fully-powered Thor (after receiving guidance from Odin's spirit) was able to almost match her to a stalemate, Hela still proved herself too much for him, necessitating Loki to resurrect Surtur and start Ragnarök[2]. Only Odin was ever able to defeat Hela in battle, having been the one who cast her out of Asgard and imprisoned her in Hel.

- Master Swordwoman: While Hela usually prefers to fight with her bare hands and telekinetically hurled weapons, she is also an tremendously skilled swordswoman, typically wielding a Necroswords. Indeed, Hela's skills allowed her to easily slaughter all of Asgard's Einherjar and Valkyries and even gain the upper hand over Thor using Gungnir and easily disarm him of his blades.

- Arcane Lore: Hela has been shown to have an encyclopedic knowledge of mystical artifacts and energy and also has great skill in handling them, as demonstrated when she easily caught Mjølnir (possibly due to being the hammer's original wielder) and shattered the nearly indestructible Asgardian Hammer, withstood repeated attacks from Gungnir, and withstood grabbing a handful of the Eternal Flame. She was also quickly able to tell that the Infinity Gauntlet in Odin's Vault was a fake replica, that the Casket of Ancient Winters was no longer functional, and that the Tesseract could still be useful to her. She was, however, surprised when she laid eyes upon the crowned skull of Surtur, having believed it was much bigger.

- Expert Leader: As the Chief of the Legion of Asgard and Odin's Executioner, Hela was known to be a very effective and brutal leader, with her skills in leadership being essential in Asgard's violent conquest of the Nine Realms.

*****Below is the SPECULATIVE list of power tiers to choose from, BLUE character names are official, RED character names are speculative.. Please select a power tier for each character (they're not in any particular order). Note: both characters can share the same tier.*****


Cosmic Tier (cosmic/interdimension level power/presence on a planetary scale, at the minimum)

Dormammu

Eson the Searcher with Infinity Stone

Ego the Living Planet

Odin

Surtur

Doctor Strange with Time Gem (Reality Hack)

Transcendent Tier (City to planetary level power & Cosmic/interdimensional level influence on a local scale)]

Kurse

Ronan (with Power Gem)

Fenris

Powerhouse Tier (Beyond top tier, power/interdimensional power on a block to city Level)

Hulkbuster Iron Man

Abomination

Thor

Hulk

Malekith (with Reality Gem)

Doctor Strange

Vision

Destroyer Armor

Ghost Rider

Giant Man

Kaecilius

Top Tier (Street to block level)

Aldrich Killian

Drax the Destroyer

Iron Man

Loki

Iron Monger

Ronan

Whiplash

War Machine

Scarlett Witch

Valkyrie

Heimdall

Sif

Hogun

Fandral

Volstagg

Korath The Pursuer

Quake

Groot

Killgrave

Yondu

Lash

Hive

Frigga

Pepper Potts with Extremis

Mantis

Skurge

Korg

Baron Mordo

Master Wong

Superhuman Tier (Street Level)

Captain America

Gamora

Spider-Man

Vulture

Black Panther

Red Skull

Winter Solider

Starlord

Eric Savin (Extremis Soldier)

Ellen Brandt (Extremis Soldier)

Quicksliver

Luke Cage

Iron Fist

Jessica Jones

Crossbones

Madame Gao

Mr. Hyde

Slingshot

Aida

Raina

Deathlok

The Patriot

Carl Creed the Absorbing Man

Lorelei

Nebula

Miek

Ant Man

Yellow Jacket

Street Tier (non super human, agent level)

Daredevil

Black Widow

Elektra

Hawkeye

Shocker

Batroc The Leaper

Rocket Raccoon

Coleen Wing

Falcon

Batroc The Leaper

Kingpin

Diamondback

Nobu

Bakuto

Peggy Carter

Sharon Carter Agent 13

Dum Dum Dugan

Mocking Bird

Maria Hill

Misty Knight

The Punisher

Nick Fury

Phil Coulson

Zemo

*****As I mentioned earlier, as fights occur an official tier list will be created and updated by me and that can be viewed here.*****

http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=535009

So enjoy and we are looking forward to the results. Spread the word.

Surfer
 
For me this is going to be a very tough battle that I am going to need to think on for a little while.

Ultron Prime with his Vibranium Armor is extremely durable and it took a combined, intense energy beam from Vision's Mind Stone, a double repulsor blasts from Iron Man, and a lightning bolt from Thor wielding Mjølnir to begin melting his armor. Strength wise he was also shown to be able to overpower Thor and Vision in his final form. Ultron also commanded an Army of Ultron Sentries.

Hela on the other hand was able to destroy Mjolnir with her bare hands and she seemed to be the most powerful Asgardian except for Odin in his prime. She is also an extremely skilled fighter that seemed to best Thor in Hand to Hand Combat. She can create countless weapons out of nothing. In addition she seemed to be able to teleport as well as bring back the dead to fight her battles for her.

This is how I see it.

Sentries Vs. the Dead = Tie
Durabilitiy = Ultron Prime over Hela (Vibranium Armor over Skin)
Strength = Tie (Both Characters have shown Strength above that of Thor's)
Hand to Hand Combat = Hela over Ultron Prime (Hela is a fighting Machine taking out all the Valkyrie's by herself and destroying the Asgardian army)
Intelligence = Ultron Prime over Hela (Ultron Prime has access to all Knowledge and can process information quicker than any person)
Ability to Escape in a tough situation = Tie (Hela seems to be able to teleport and Ultron can escape via computer connection)

So, I am leaning towards Ultron Prime with the breakdown above, but Hela is just such a crazy fighter and I mean she is the Goddess of Death after all, so I will have to think on it some more before voting.

Surfer
 
Hmm, tough to say but Hela, or a tie. Ultron was written so poorly. Physically, he was superior to Thor, and he physically was dominating Thor more hardly more than Hela was, or Hulk could. so strength wise, he is near Hela, I think.

Durability is a wash. Hela was unaffected by Thor's monster lightning. Ultron was indestructable. It took Thor's lightning and the mind gem to melt the metal.

Iron man's repulsor's were like water guns to Thor, so I don't see how they actually impacted Ultron other than "AVENGERS COOL SHOT".

Idk what Hela can do, but Ultron can't do anything to her, and with her being basically a god, she wins.
 
Meh the Ultron dominating Thor is being overblown, he simply caught Thor off guard and never really gave him a chance to respond.

It was basically just set up to make Vision look good, poor writing in my opinion whereas Hela and Thor had a straight up FIGHT.

Hela is also clearly more durable, if Thor's lightning can effect Ultron he is definitely below Hela who was completely unaffected by a bigger more powerful version.
 
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Ultron Prime powerhouse tier.
Hela very low transcendent tier.
Ergo Hela takes this.
 
Meh the Ultron domination Thor is being overblown, he simply caught Thor off guard and never really gave him a chance to respond.

It was basically just set up to make Vision look good, poor writing in my opinion whereas Hela and Thor had a straight up FIGHT.

Hela is also clearly more durable, if Thor's lightning can effect Ultron he is definitely below Hela who was completely unaffected by a bigger more powerful version.

Well it seems I am in the minority on this, but with Ultron Prime having a Vibranium body, I just don't know if Hela could do anything to damage him. I don't think her manufactured swords, daggers and spikes could pierce his Vibranium body. I also think that she is not physically strong enough to damage the Vibranium, but who knows she did crush Thor's Uru hammer. However, since it did belong to her at one time it was not protected by it's enchantment from her. I mean saying she could damage Ultron Primes Vibranium exterior is like saying she could destroy Caps Shield and I just think it would take a power category beyond her to inflict that type of damage. Well anyways I am still thinking on it, but I am still leaning towards Ultron Prime.

Surfer
 
Well it seems I am in the minority on this, but with Ultron Prime having a Vibranium body, I just don't know if Hela could do anything to damage him. I don't think her manufactured swords, daggers and spikes could pierce his Vibranium body. I also think that she is not physically strong enough to damage the Vibranium, but who knows she did crush Thor's Uru hammer. However, since it did belong to her at one time it was not protected by it's enchantment from her. I mean saying she could damage Ultron Primes Vibranium exterior is like saying she could destroy Caps Shield and I just think it would take a power category beyond her to inflict that type of damage. Well anyways I am still thinking on it, but I am still leaning towards Ultron Prime.

Surfer

Her being able to lift Mjolnir still doesn't explain how she could crush it with one hand. It explains how she managed to catch it, but not how she managed to destroy which for all intents and purposes is very impressive considered Mjolnir is durable enough to survive the heart of a dying star.

Before Ragnarok, Mjolnir hadn't even been scratched and her Hela's blades were powerful enough to pierce Surtur and destroy the wall of an Asgardian fortress. It's worth noting that Thor was able to crack Vibranium (the device they were protecting) with Mjolnir in Age of Ultron, which woulf mean Mjolnir is atleast equal to Vibranium in durability.
 
Her being able to lift Mjolnir still doesn't explain how she could crush it with one hand. It explains how she managed to catch it, but not how she managed to destroy which for all intents and purposes is very impressive considered Mjolnir is durable enough to survive the heart of a dying star.

Before Ragnarok, Mjolnir hadn't even been scratched and her Hela's blades were powerful enough to pierce Surtur and destroy the wall of an Asgardian fortress. It's worth noting that Thor was able to crack Vibranium (the device they were protecting) with Mjolnir in Age of Ultron, which woulf mean Mjolnir is atleast equal to Vibranium in durability.

Yeah, but I think you are mixing two things. Mjolnir with Enchantments which adds to it's Strength and Durability Vs Mjolnir without Enchantments which equals just a Uru Hammer. In terms of Durability in the comics it is known that Admantium is the hardest metal (Other then the Vibranium Alloy thought to have just the right amount of Admantium mixed into it to make Captain America's Shield). Next comes Vibranium as the strongest Metal which again was part of the make up of Captain America's Shield and then comes Uru after. However, in the MCU they do not have the rights to Admantium as that belongs with Fox and Wolverines claws. So, the hardest metal in the MCU is Vibranium, which is what Ultron Prime is made of.

So, I see it kind of like this.

Vibranium = Uru with Enchantment
Vibranium > Uru without Enchantment (Definitely)

So, Thor's hammer during Age of Ultron had the Enchantment and therefore was on par with the Vibranium vs. Thor's hammer during Thor Ragnarok had lost the Enchantment when Hela destroyed it and therefore was not as strong or as durable.

I am not saying Hela destroying Mjolnir was not an amazing feat because it was, but I don't think it proves that she would be able to damage the Vibranium metal herself.

So, anyways with that said I know I am a little bit of an outcast on this one, but I have to vote what I think and my gut still says Ultron Prime. So, I am going to vote for him now.

Oh, and I think both belong in the Transcendent tier.

Surfer
 
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Not too say Ultron wouldnt put up a fight but Hela has far too much power up her sleeve. Especially taking into consider the fact she can some kaiju sized spikes to impale monster and creatures far more powerful than Ultron could ever be.
 
I agree. I also think Ultron is at the bottom of the transcendent tier.

He seems to have *that* kind of strength.

I know Big Thor pointed out that his handling of Thor is overblown given context, but I just think this alludes to him being written poorly. He was definitely *stronger* than Thor, and thus could dominate him hand 2 hand. That was the point of that poorly written scene, I think.

Thor is overall more powerful, but given his physical domination over someone like Thor, and the fact that Ultron's durability seems solidly transcendent, I would put Ultron prime a tier above our powerhouses. He WAS a world ending character and did require a team of powerhouses to defeat so he definitely is transcendent in my opinion.

He will be tougher to put down for Hela than Thor, and Thor went at her. Ultron will toss her around a lot but I don't see what he can do to her at this point.

Her taking Thor's lightning blast, which, probably would have even left Hulk pretty close to a KO was insanely impressive. Hela will have to find a way to piece the vibranium, or get around it but I think she gets it done
 
Hela wins this one quite easily for me, even the Prime version of Ultron was a let down in terms of a threat.
 
Hela, and its not especially competitive. She's just in another realm than Ultron. Maybe if Ultron had actually gotten the Vision's body, and kept the Mind Stone.
 
Hela, and its not especially competitive. She's just in another realm than Ultron. Maybe if Ultron had actually gotten the Vision's body, and kept the Mind Stone.

So, are you suggesting Vision alone is more powerful than Ultron Prime? I know Vision defeated Ultron alone in the end of AOU, but Ultron was no longer in his Prime body at that time either. In AOU they show a combination of Vision using a energy beam from the Mind Stone, Thor using Lightning and Iron Man with Dual Repulsor Blasts as being needed to start slowly breaking down Ultron Prime's Vibranium exterior. The key word being slowly, making it seem difficult, so I have a hard time believing Vision could have done it on his own. Therefore, this goes to show the durability of Ultron Prime's Vibranium body. I mean if an Infinity Stone blast is not enough by itself, then that says something. Keeping in mind that with the combination of all of the Stones the person holding them basically becomes omnipotent, but still one alone is powerful enough to give the user the ability to destroy planets as seen with Eson the Searcher. Now I realize they are different Stones, but it just goes to show the level of power that these stones hold, and we are basically saying one of them is not enough to melt the Vibranium Core of Ultron Prime, by itself. So, yeah Ultron Prime is super durable and I still feel Hela could not do anything to destroy his Vibranium exterior. Also, being a Super Computer he has almost endless knowledge and can process the information quicker than any person and figure out a way to win.

Once again, just my thoughts though!

Surfer
 
Yeah, but I think you are mixing two things. Mjolnir with Enchantments which adds to it's Strength and Durability Vs Mjolnir without Enchantments which equals just a Uru Hammer. In terms of Durability in the comics it is known that Admantium is the hardest metal (Other then the Vibranium Alloy thought to have just the right amount of Admantium mixed into it to make Captain America's Shield). Next comes Vibranium as the strongest Metal which again was part of the make up of Captain America's Shield and then comes Uru after. However, in the MCU they do not have the rights to Admantium as that belongs with Fox and Wolverines claws. So, the hardest metal in the MCU is Vibranium, which is what Ultron Prime is made of.

So, I see it kind of like this.

Vibranium = Uru with Enchantment
Vibranium > Uru without Enchantment (Definitely)

So, Thor's hammer during Age of Ultron had the Enchantment and therefore was on par with the Vibranium vs. Thor's hammer during Thor Ragnarok had lost the Enchantment when Hela destroyed it and therefore was not as strong or as durable.

I am not saying Hela destroying Mjolnir was not an amazing feat because it was, but I don't think it proves that she would be able to damage the Vibranium metal herself.

So, anyways with that said I know I am a little bit of an outcast on this one, but I have to vote what I think and my gut still says Ultron Prime. So, I am going to vote for him now.

Oh, and I think both belong in the Transcendent tier.

Surfer

Where was it every stated that the enchantment on Mjolnir does any other than grant the wielder the power of Thor?

It was never stated that it's enchantment made it anymore durable or powerful in the MCU. Like where did that come from? I've been seeing people say that a lot but I've never heard that being said in the Thor films.
 
I don't mean to question the thread makers putting all of the effort into these polls.

But I think Hela Vs Kurse would have been a better match up.
 
I don't mean to question the thread makers putting all of the effort into these polls.

But I think Hela Vs Kurse would have been a better match up.

Lol why? Ultron actually has long range attacks like lasers and gravity control unlike Kurse who only has strength and durability.

Besides, I think Kurse vs Ultron Prime would be far closer and Fenris vs Kurse would be dope as well.
 
Hela is definitely on the cosmic tier. There have only been a few characters in the MCU that seem to be on her level. She's stronger than uru. She's got black magic that is equal to or greater than Odin's enchantment. She's got hand-to-hand skills that allowed her to beat arguably the most powerful MCU hero in a straight up fight. She absorbed lighting and she was a proficient necromancer. She's on par with Dormammu and Ego at the very least.

As for her vs. Ultron Prime, I doubt that Ultron would last long. He might well be able to trade a few blows with her for awhile since he seemed to possess strength greater than Thor's. However, this would still be a mystical power against artificial intelligence battle. My guess is that she would lock on to his energy signature and simply shut him off.
 
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Lol why? Ultron actually has long range attacks like lasers and gravity control unlike Kurse who only has strength and durability.

Besides, I think Kurse vs Ultron Prime would be far closer and Fenris vs Kurse would be dope as well.

My friend, look at the poll results, Hela is winning this one at a canter and it's because Ultron Prime is no match for her.

Both Kurse and Hela gave Thor an almighty beating so I think they would be much more matched. Kurse is much stronger than Thor and so was Hela. UP doesn't compare to either.
 
Im not sure why they dragged Kurse's strength. I honestly feel as if he shouldnt have slaughtered Thor like that.
 
Where was it every stated that the enchantment on Mjolnir does any other than grant the wielder the power of Thor?

It was never stated that it's enchantment made it anymore durable or powerful in the MCU. Like where did that come from? I've been seeing people say that a lot but I've never heard that being said in the Thor films.

To be fair, I agree there is no where in the MCU where enchantments are described to have made Mjolnir any more durable or powerful. The only note worthy enchantment in the MCU for Mjolnir is the one that grants the wielder the power of Thor.

However, in the comics Odin battled a storm called the God Tempest and he used magic or an enchantment to trap it in the Uru that was later used to Forge Mjolnir by the Dwarves and it was said to have added to it's power and durability. As a matter of fact in the comics Odin placed his first enchantment with regards to limiting who wields the hammer because of the power of the God Tempest stored in the hammer. Then he placed it in his Vault and it became Thor's much later.

I also think that some people believe the enchantments add to it's strength and durability due to deductive reasoning. In the comics they say that Captain America's Shield is made of the strongest metal in the Marvel Universe and yet Thor has been able to dent his Shield using Mjolnir. Therefore, if the Uru metal used for Thor's hammer is not as strong or durable as the Vibranium Alloy (Proto Admantium) used for Captain America's Shield then how is it possible for it to damage it? The answer becomes Enchantments add to it's strength and durability.

But I digress, because by referring to the comics I am kind of breaking my own rules which is that we should be basing everything off of the MCU versions, and there is no reason to believe the God Tempest plays a role in the MCU Mjolnir or for that matter that Mjolnir can or can't dent Captain America's Shield. As a result I concede on this subject.

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I don't mean to question the thread makers putting all of the effort into these polls.

But I think Hela Vs Kurse would have been a better match up.

It's okay to feel the battle created could have been better. Perhaps it would have been closer Hela Vs. someone else or Ultron Prime Vs. someone else, but we do work hard to have the battles be exciting and it is impossible for us to know entirely how others will perceive things until the battle begins.

Also, keep in mind the bigger picture. We are using the results of these battles to place characters and create a MCU power tier list that is hopefully pretty accurate. So, regardless of if a battle seems one sided or not right now, new characters will soon be fighting against established characters to see who is more powerful to help to establish them as well. If a new character wins a battle then they move up to the next character established and see if they can beat them as well. If not that is where they will stay. If they win that one then they advance again. The same thing happens if the new character loses their first battle against an existing character, then they move down to see if they can beat the person below. If they win then they stay put and if they lose then they move down again to see if they can win that one. So, with this system you are bound to get some fights that are going to be very close. We will of course try to limit the fights with the new characters ourselves, by trying to project our own thoughts on where these new characters belong power wise. This will hopefully help to establish the new characters with less fights, but again we are not perfect. We just do our best.

Surfer
 
It's okay to feel the battle created could have been better. Perhaps it would have been closer Hela Vs. someone else or Ultron Prime Vs. someone else, but we do work hard to have the battles be exciting and it is impossible for us to know entirely how others will perceive things until the battle begins.

Also, keep in mind the bigger picture. We are using the results of these battles to place characters and create a MCU power tier list that is hopefully pretty accurate. So, regardless of if a battle seems one sided or not right now, new characters will soon be fighting against established characters to see who is more powerful to help to establish them as well. If a new character wins a battle then they move up to the next character established and see if they can beat them as well. If not that is where they will stay. If they win that one then they advance again. The same thing happens if the new character loses their first battle against an existing character, then they move down to see if they can beat the person below. If they win then they stay put and if they lose then they move down again to see if they can win that one. So, with this system you are bound to get some fights that are going to be very close. We will of course try to limit the fights with the new characters ourselves, by trying to project our own thoughts on where these new characters belong power wise. This will hopefully help to establish the new characters with less fights, but again we are not perfect. We just do our best.

Surfer

That’s cool :up:

And again I wasn’t trying to be a dick or question the work you guys put into these polls, just making an observation.
 
That’s cool :up:

And again I wasn’t trying to be a dick or question the work you guys put into these polls, just making an observation.

No, I didn't think you were being a dick. I just wanted to explain why it is not super important at this stage that the battles be close. I mean it is great when it is because it is more exciting for the fans, but in the end I am just saying this does as much to establish the characters as if the battle was close.

Surfer
 
My friend, look at the poll results, Hela is winning this one at a canter and it's because Ultron Prime is no match for her.

Both Kurse and Hela gave Thor an almighty beating so I think they would be much more matched. Kurse is much stronger than Thor and so was Hela. UP doesn't compare to either.


I understand, but it would've been the same with Hela vs Kurse.

To be fair, I agree there is no where in the MCU where enchantments are described to have made Mjolnir any more durable or powerful. The only note worthy enchantment in the MCU for Mjolnir is the one that grants the wielder the power of Thor.

However, in the comics Odin battled a storm called the God Tempest and he used magic or an enchantment to trap it in the Uru that was later used to Forge Mjolnir by the Dwarves and it was said to have added to it's power and durability. As a matter of fact in the comics Odin placed his first enchantment with regards to limiting who wields the hammer because of the power of the God Tempest stored in the hammer. Then he placed it in his Vault and it became Thor's much later.

I also think that some people believe the enchantments add to it's strength and durability due to deductive reasoning. In the comics they say that Captain America's Shield is made of the strongest metal in the Marvel Universe and yet Thor has been able to dent his Shield using Mjolnir. Therefore, if the Uru metal used for Thor's hammer is not as strong or durable as the Vibranium Alloy (Proto Admantium) used for Captain America's Shield then how is it possible for it to damage it? The answer becomes Enchantments add to it's strength and durability.

But I digress, because by referring to the comics I am kind of breaking my own rules which is that we should be basing everything off of the MCU versions, and there is no reason to believe the God Tempest plays a role in the MCU Mjolnir or for that matter that Mjolnir can or can't dent Captain America's Shield. As a result I concede on this subject.

Surfer

Yep and Thor cracked vibranium with Mjolnir at the end of AOU, so that means Uru is atleast as durable as Vibranium in the MCU. Especially considering Mjolnir wasn't even scratched as a result of the collision. So Hela could definitely damage Ultron.

Lol I find it hilarious that Thor's solo villains are more powerful than any if the villains in the Avengers films (except for Thanos).
 
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