MCU Fight: Hela vs Kurse

[Spider-Fan]

Well script says she was unconscious. She just recovered insany quick to that it did no lasting effect.

If it is not shown visually, then it being in script form really doesn't matter.

 

[DrCosmic]

Lol no way, Kurse vs Thor was far more one sided than Hela vs Thor I can't believe people are saying this.

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You're right. It was more one sided. Thor got several great hits in on Hela. The reason, I think, people keep saying Hela hit harder aren't just because it's newer, but the hits Hela got in were just more brutal. Hela took Thor's eye almost casually, as casually as she took his hammer. The whole fight can be read this way, where Hela is toying with Thor, not really going her hardest, something we don't really see except maybe when she's riding an army of spikes at Surtur. That just carries more perceivable impact than a giant rock, however large.

 

[Batmannerism]

If it is not shown visually, then it being in script form really doesn't matter.

Absolutely. We don't go to the cinema and whip out the script to fill in the gaps.

 

[BigThor]

To be honest, Hela was off screen for several minutes after Thor hit her with that giant lightning bolt.

What do people think she was doing during that time? Just standing around twiddling her thumbs?

 

[Batmannerism]

To be honest, Hela was off screen for several minutes after Thor hit her with that giant lightning bolt.

What do people think she was doing during that time? Just standing around twiddling her thumbs?

I suspect this will be a matter of some debate (which can only be answered once the film is available on DVD).- but I feel like it was a lot less than several minutes, because she shows up with her army of zombie asgardians pretty shortly thereafter.

It may simply be that she can't fly and doesn't have Thor's lightning leap powers ? Who knows. She certainly fell a long way from the Throne room, which may account for part of the time taken to get to the Bifrost.

Regardless of all that, she's still going to take Kurse down.

 

[BigThor]

I agree, I voted for Hela but I think this fight would be a lot closer than people think.

But you know the newer toy is always shinier and Hela is massively more popular.

 

[Spider-Fan]

For me, it is not the ooooo shiny toy, I just don't see how he could compete. That bomb thing killed Kurse and I am not convinced it would have done much to Hela. Hela was just silly OP.

 

[BigThor]

For me, it is not the ooooo shiny toy, I just don't see how he could compete. That bomb thing killed Kurse and I am not convinced it would have done much to Hela. Hela was just silly OP.

He was sucked into a mini black hole, Hela is immune to being sucked into black holes?

 

[Fosterson]

To be honest, Hela was off screen for several minutes after Thor hit her with that giant lightning bolt.

What do people think she was doing during that time? Just standing around twiddling her thumbs?

To be fair, she probably had to cover several kilometres to get from the palace to the middle of the Bifrost Bridge.

 

[Spider-Fan]

He was sucked into a mini black hole, Hela is immune to being sucked into black holes?

At this point, unsure. We don't even know if Surtur actually killed her at this point (we never saw a body!)

 

[Finarfiniel]

At this point, unsure. We don't even know if Surtur actually killed her at this point (we never saw a body!)

Let's all pray that he didn't, the world needs more Hela.

I have to wonder if the two people who voted for Kurse have even seen Ragnarok. Kurse would definitely give Hela a good fight, but of course she'd win. I imagine the only two beings in the Nine Realms (that we actually know exist in the MCU) that can take Hela down are Odin and prime Surtur.

 

[NesOut]

If it is not shown visually, then it being in script form really doesn't matter.

They showed visually.

Thor hit her with the lightning, she falls unconscious.

Or what you think Hela was doing while Thor was destroying her army and Asgard fleeing? Climbing the stairs?

 

[NesOut]

To be fair, she probably had to cover several kilometres to get from the palace to the middle of the Bifrost Bridge.

She can surf on her spikes, that wouldn't be a problem.

 

[Spider-Fan]

They showed visually.

Thor hit her with the lightning, she falls unconscious.

Or what you think Hela was doing while Thor was destroying her army and Asgard fleeing? Climbing the stairs?

Or she was just displaced and had to get back.

 

[BigThor]

She can surf on her spikes, that wouldn't be a problem.

True

 

[jaqua99]

Hela was NOT OP. Her durability was and she was stronger than Thor. She just was very skilled and her blades seemed powerful. She didn't DO anything other than take Thor's best and take out the Asgardian army, which, Thor in the powerhouse tier could have done as well. She never KO'd Thor, just controlled pace of the fight. And was stronger than Thor. Before her really going all out against Surtur (which shouldn't be oversold..he LAUGHED at her efforts), she'd probably be towards the lower/bottom of the transcendent tier. But her creating those massive spikes puts her over the top. Not much versatility in her powerset but she was a force.

Kurse was WAY stronger than Thor, and way stronger than her. Probably similar durability level to blunt force her as well. But I dont know if she can really really hurt him as well. But she edged it out.

It is absolutely a fight if Kurse gets close. He can definitely put the pounding on her. She seems to be just slightly overrated. Amongst the top of the transcendent tier, but she isn't far and away above everyone. She still was no threat to prime Surtur. Hela takes this 7/10

Yikes 21-2? No way hahaha.

 

[jaqua99]

Also, Hela is probably dead. As we get closer to Infinity War, it seems like she isn't gonna be around. Which is fair. Having a star like blanchet would probably overshadow Thanos

 

[BigThor]

Hela was NOT OP. Her durability was and she was stronger than Thor. She just was very skilled and her blades seemed powerful. She didn't DO anything other than take Thor's best and take out the Asgardian army, which, Thor in the powerhouse tier could have done as well. She never KO'd Thor, just controlled pace of the fight. And was stronger than Thor. Before her really going all out against Surtur (which shouldn't be oversold..he LAUGHED at her efforts), she'd probably be towards the lower/bottom of the transcendent tier. But her creating those massive spikes puts her over the top. Not much versatility in her powerset but she was a force.

Kurse was WAY stronger than Thor, and way stronger than her. Probably similar durability level to blunt force her as well. But I dont know if she can really really hurt him as well. But she edged it out.

It is absolutely a fight if Kurse gets close. He can definitely put the pounding on her. She seems to be just slightly overrated. Amongst the top of the transcendent tier, but she isn't far and away above everyone. She still was no threat to prime Surtur. Hela takes this 7/10

Yikes 21-2? No way hahaha.

Truth

Although lightning charged Thor seemed physically equal to Hela, he was tossing her around on the bifrost. As a matter if fact, STRICTLY hand to hand "lightning charged" Thor was giving a good account for himself it was Hela's agility and projectile weapons that made the difference.

If anyone doesn't believe me, re-watch the footage and see for yourselves.

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[Finarfiniel]

Hela was NOT OP. Her durability was and she was stronger than Thor. She just was very skilled and her blades seemed powerful. She didn't DO anything other than take Thor's best and take out the Asgardian army, which, Thor in the powerhouse tier could have done as well. She never KO'd Thor, just controlled pace of the fight. And was stronger than Thor. Before her really going all out against Surtur (which shouldn't be oversold..he LAUGHED at her efforts), she'd probably be towards the lower/bottom of the transcendent tier. But her creating those massive spikes puts her over the top. Not much versatility in her powerset but she was a force.

Kurse was WAY stronger than Thor, and way stronger than her. Probably similar durability level to blunt force her as well. But I dont know if she can really really hurt him as well. But she edged it out.

It is absolutely a fight if Kurse gets close. He can definitely put the pounding on her. She seems to be just slightly overrated. Amongst the top of the transcendent tier, but she isn't far and away above everyone. She still was no threat to prime Surtur. Hela takes this 7/10

Yikes 21-2? No way hahaha.

She was very much OP, trying to downplay her single-handedly slaughtering an entire army of Einhjar without even breaking a sweat and catching and destroying Mjolnir with one hand won't change that. And they were both feats that she accomplished when she was nowhere near her full power, having not been on Asgard at all yet, or for only a very short length of time. We have no idea how powerful Hela could have ended up becoming, as the true heir to the throne of Asgard she very likely would have become a prime Odin-level threat, that was the implication and the reason why a combination of powered up Thor, Valkyrie, Hulk, Loki, Heimdall and the remaining Asgardians and escaped Sakaraans couldn't take her down. It was essentially the whole point and twist of Ragnarok, Thor having to start Ragnarok because it was the only way to defeat her. Remember that prime Odin defeated prime Surtur in the past, we know that from what Thor said at the beginning, so logic follows that Hela at full power could take Surtur down. She wasn't there yet, having only been queen for a very short time (she wasn't prime Hela, if you will), so the result was the opposite.

I do agree that Kurse was physically stronger than Hela, and Hela and Thor at the end of Ragnarok were definitely of fairly equivalent strength levels too (they both clearly had the ability to throw the other but I'd still give the edge to Hela because remember, she was fighting off the extremely strong Valkyrie as well as Thor, they were effectively double teaming her), but brute strength isn't everything. What clearly puts Hela over the edge here is the fact that she is nigh invulnerable. So Kurse could spend all day putting the pound on her but it wouldn't make any difference, she'd just spring back and carry on virtually unharmed each time. And in the meantime launch thousands of blades at Kurse and slice him to shreds. Fight over. That's why Hela's kicking the **** out of this poll, the results speak for themselves.

Also, Hela is probably dead. As we get closer to Infinity War, it seems like she isn't gonna be around. Which is fair. Having a star like blanchet would probably overshadow Thanos

That's pretty silly reasoning. If Marvel Studios wanted to keep Hela possibly being in IW and/or A4 a secret, they're hardly going to reveal that now, three months before release. There's been absolutely zero sign of a Death character being in IW either, despite Josh Brolin clearly hinting on instagram that Thanos is indeed a big purple guy in love in the MCU. Marvel left the ending of Ragnarok so ambiguous for a reason, it clearly leaves the door open for them to bring Hela back if they want to.

 

[BigThor]

And here. we. go

 

[Finarfiniel]

And here. we. go

 

[Batmannerism]

Truth

Although lightning charged Thor seemed physically equal to Hela, he was tossing her around on the bifrost. As a matter if fact, STRICTLY hand to hand "lightning charged" Thor was giving a good account for himself it was Hela's agility and projectile weapons that made the difference.

If anyone doesn't believe me, re-watch the footage and see for yourselves.

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It's amazing how differently people can view the same events. Thor and Valkyrie together were no match for Hela. I think "tossing her around " is an overstatement. Ive watched that clip a few times now and at 0:24 Thor manages to knock over Hela, but otherwise neither he nor Valkyrie manage to injure her, while she tosses Valkyrie like a rag doll and drops Thor twice with blades.
At the end of that scene he's winded and she's as cool as ice.

Theres a very clear reason why Hela is winning this poll. Kurse may have bruised and bloodied Thor but Hela cut out his eye without breaking a sweat. I think it would be an epic fight, but I cant see Kurse standing at the end of it.

 

[Fosterson]

Having Hela survive would completely undermine the end of Ragnarok imo. It would also make her arguably more powerful than Thanos given that she had to survive being run through by a skyscraper-sized sword and then having a planet explode in her face.

If a planet-busting explosion isn't enough to kill Hela, then what on earth is? I fear that she would end up overshadowing Thanos and making him seem like a sidekick rather than the main threat.

Besides, bringing her back would be really awkward as Thor would have to explain to the other Avengers and the Guardians who she is and why she's evil etc. Given all the other **** going on in IW and A4, I don't think there'll be time for that.

Her being in love with Thanos also wouldn't make much sense because when would she have met him? We know that for the last 2,000+ years she was imprisoned, so how could she have been in contact (much less in love with) Thanos?

I enjoyed Hela as a villain, but I think bringing her back would be a mistake.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Thor does much better vs Hela in that final fight than he does vs Kurse. But you could argue it’s a more powerful Thor.

 

[Finarfiniel]

Having Hela survive would completely undermine the end of Ragnarok imo. It would also make her arguably more powerful than Thanos given that she had to survive being run through by a skyscraper-sized sword and then having a planet explode in her face.

If a planet-busting explosion isn't enough to kill Hela, then what on earth is? I fear that she would end up overshadowing Thanos and making him seem like a sidekick rather than the main threat.

Besides, bringing her back would be really awkward as Thor would have to explain to the other Avengers and the Guardians who she is and why she's evil etc. Given all the other **** going on in IW and A4, I don't think there'll be time for that.

Her being in love with Thanos also wouldn't make much sense because when would she have met him? We know that for the last 2,000+ years she was imprisoned, so how could she have been in contact (much less in love with) Thanos?

I enjoyed Hela as a villain, but I think bringing her back would be a mistake.

Sorry, I disagree with everything here. Hela surviving doesn't undermine anything, and so what if it does? It doesn't lessen what Thor did in Ragnarok, he acted like a true hero and made the best decision he possibly could under the circumstances, Hela surviving doesn't change that. Who says she even has to have survived Surtur's sword and the destruction of Asgard anyway? The beginning of Ragnarok strongly hints that she has some sort of teleportation powers (else what else was she doing when she emerged from that swirling green portal?) so the simplest answer could be that she teleported away before being struck with Surtur's sword, if you watch Ragnarok there's a very clear flash of green where Hela is standing just before Surtur's sword hits the ground, having watched Ragnarok in HD as recently as yesterday, it's pretty clear that something is going on there. And again, if Marvel wanted to make it clear that Hela was dead and gone, they would have made that scene way less ambiguous.

Again, who said anything about Hela being in love with Thanos? If they are going for a Hela/Thanos connection in the MCU (as the comics universe recently have) then it would likely be the other way around. Comics Thanos is immortal and thousands of years old, if MCU Thanos is the same then he easily could have met Hela before Odin imprisoned her. That's hardly a deal breaker, decent writing can get around that in five minutes flat. As is Hela not overshadowing Thanos, especially if she's mainly kept in the background pulling strings.

I think, given Hela's popularity (and not to mention Cate Blanchett's star power), not bringing her back somehow would be a bigger mistake. Marvel are constantly being berated for making a majority of their villains one and done, Loki is by far their most popular villain and he's been in multiple films. They have a chance here to silence the critics and bring back a popular villain, not taking that chance would be foolish, especially when Blanchett has openly said how much she enjoyed making Ragnarok and would be up for more Hela.