MCU: Phase II

[Spider-Fan]

You can add new members to the team without them having solos. Hawkeye and Widow have shown that. Just use Avengers 2 as a way to promote them for their own solo later.

 

[Lord]

In my perfect world:
2013: Iron Man 3/ Thor 2
2014: Ant-Man/ Captain America 2
2015: TIH 2/ Dr. Strange/ Thor 3
2016: Black Panther/ S.H.I.E.L.D.
2016: War Machine/ The Avengers 2

I just think that ant-man is also one of the most important aditions to the avengers

 

[Lord]

Dr. Strange doesn't sound as ridiculous as Ant-Man. Sorcery probably appeals to the GA more than...well this guy...

Most fans tought First Class was going to suck while Green Lantern was going to be great.
The final result wasn't exactly like that was it?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You can add new members to the team without them having solos. Hawkeye and Widow have shown that. Just use Avengers 2 as a way to promote them for their own solo later.

meh, I still don't think that's the best way to do it, not when you have a perfect example of 3 characters that really should be included to the aveners team by it's sequel (panther, antman, and wasp) now would there solo films need to come first? no, but i think it's going to be at least 3-4 years before we see Avengers 2.

that all being said, there's still no reason the smaller films cant come out the same year as the big summer blockbusters and sequels. there's honestly no way marvel can stick with 2 films a year and still introduce new characters and do sequels to there hits. They honestly have to do 3, and i think they will eventually.

 

[Hurm...]

I don't see how that has to do with anything I just said, Lord.

 

[Spider-Fan]

meh, I still don't think that's the best way to do it, not when you have a perfect example of 3 characters that really should be included to the aveners team by it's sequel (panther, antman, and wasp) now would there solo films need to come first? no, but i think it's going to be at least 3-4 years before we see Avengers 2.

that all being said, there's still no reason the smaller films cant come out the same year as the big summer blockbusters and sequels. there's honestly no way marvel can stick with 2 films a year and still introduce new characters and do sequels to there hits. They honestly have to do 3, and i think they will eventually.

Avengers 2 I don't see any later than 4 years. It will likely be Marvel's biggest franchise. They won't wait on sequels and let RDJ get too old for Stark to make a sequel. I am eying 2015 for Avengers 2. Certainly no later than 2016. You can only do about 2 films per year right now for Marvel. IM3 and Thor 2 are confirmed. Cap 2 is likely for 2014. By this math, you have likely just 1 more film to make before Avengers 2, since Avengers 2 would be a May release. You wouldn't wait any longer, especially since the 3 central characters are already prepped for Avengers 2.

They may expand to 3 eventually, but 2013 won't be that year, and I don't see 2014 being that year either. Unless Ant-Man and Dr. Strange both get MASSIVE movement in the near future, and even there, that's when I may have the concern for superhero fatigue. I'd see likely only 1 being made, and Ant-Man would likely be more related to Avengers 2 than Dr. Strange. But, Dr. Strange I think is more bankable. I mean, Ant-Man could never even hold his own solo title.

 

[Lord]

I don't see how that has to do with anything I just said, Lord.

it means that what we may think will be a bad movie or not a success can turn out to be great

 

[Dark Raven]

Marvel has few potential true summer tent pole movies left, but MANY spring/fall/christmas fare characters left that could be done from the 60-90 million range and still be very viable, good movies.

IMO the "lower budget" tier that could do very well for them include: Strange, Black Panther, Iron Fist, Punisher, Blade, Namor, Luke Cage, Ant-Man, Shield, Inmumans (if they have them), War Machine, Moon Knight, Spider Woman. Those are the ones I can think of now.

Some of these could possibly be summer tent poles if done right, or could be flops. I would say that all of these could be viable lower budget movies at least if they got the pieces right. They have potential anyway.

Well I don't know if that is true. As far as the general audience were concerned, many of them weren't familiar with Iron Man or Thor before they were made into movies. Also, with non-comic movies such as Indiana Jones, it's not like he was a known character before Raiders of the Lost Ark. If a movie has a cool concept, a great cast and an emotionally investing story, then audiences will still go to see it during the summer regardless of whether they have ever heard of the character before. Any of the characters you've listed could have the potential for a summer blockbuster, just as the other Marvel studios movies could've easily flopped. It's not like the Hulk has done so well despite being the best known of the bunch.

I do think though that Luke Cage and Iron Fist would do better as a buddy movie than in separate solo films. Their own team up comic proved that they were more successful together than on their own. The general audience haven't seen a buddy comic movie yet either.

 

[Lord]

Avengers 2 I don't see any later than 4 years. It will likely be Marvel's biggest franchise. They won't wait on sequels and let RDJ get too old for Stark to make a sequel. I am eying 2015 for Avengers 2. Certainly no later than 2016. You can only do about 2 films per year right now for Marvel. IM3 and Thor 2 are confirmed. Cap 2 is likely for 2014. By this math, you have likely just 1 more film to make before Avengers 2, since Avengers 2 would be a May release. You wouldn't wait any longer, especially since the 3 central characters are already prepped for Avengers 2. They may expand to 3 eventually, but 2013 won't be that year, and I don't see 2014 being that year either. Unless Ant-Man and Dr. Strange both get MASSIVE movement in the near future, and even there, that's when I may have the concern for superhero fatigue. I'd see likely only 1 being made, and Ant-Man would likely be more related to Avengers 2 than Dr. Strange. But, Dr. Strange I think is more bankable.

From what i heared they are planning to make more than 2 movies per year, they were just being more careful as to make people be interested in the avengers

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Avengers 2 I don't see any later than 4 years. It will likely be Marvel's biggest franchise. They won't wait on sequels and let RDJ get too old for Stark to make a sequel. I am eying 2015 for Avengers 2. Certainly no later than 2016. You can only do about 2 films per year right now for Marvel. IM3 and Thor 2 are confirmed. Cap 2 is likely for 2014. By this math, you have likely just 1 more film to make before Avengers 2, since Avengers 2 would be a May release. You wouldn't wait any longer, especially since the 3 central characters are already prepped for Avengers 2.

They may expand to 3 eventually, but 2013 won't be that year, and I don't see 2014 being that year either. Unless Ant-Man and Dr. Strange both get MASSIVE movement in the near future, and even there, that's when I may have the concern for superhero fatigue. I'd see likely only 1 being made, and Ant-Man would likely be more related to Avengers 2 than Dr. Strange. But, Dr. Strange I think is more bankable. I mean, Ant-Man could never even hold his own solo title.

and you've explained exactly why marvel has to move to a 2 to 3 movie year formula, that's honestly the only way to do it, or they will dig themselves into a hole by doing nothing but sequels.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

it means that what we may think will be a bad movie or not a success can turn out to be great

He didn't say it would be a bad movie, he said the audience wouldn't take him seriously. I'm confident NOBODY but comic fans will be able take "Ant-Man" seriously at least until after they've seen the movie, but they may not want to see it. Black Panther and Dr. Strange can be taken seriously because honestly there's nothing funny about them, but Ant-Man? Even a fan has to be able to admit that the GA would have second thoughts about seeing that.

 

[Spider-Fan]

From what i heared they are planning to make more than 2 movies per year, they were just being more careful as to make people be interested in the avengers

Their goal is 3 movies per year at some point. I don't think that point will come until 2014 at the earliest, and even there, I don't see it happening by 2014. Now, if Avengers 2 is say 2015 (which is where I see it), then I could see a new franchise started that year. So, 2014 and 2015 would have maybe new franchises.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Well I don't know if that is true. As far as the general audience were concerned, many of them weren't familiar with Iron Man or Thor before they were made into movies. Also, with non-comic movies such as Indiana Jones, it's not like he was a known character before Raiders of the Lost Ark. If a movie has a cool concept, a great cast and an emotionally investing story, then audiences will still go to see it during the summer regardless of whether they have ever heard of the character before. Any of the characters you've listed could have the potential for a summer blockbuster, just as the other Marvel studios movies could've easily flopped. It's not like the Hulk has done so well despite being the best known of the bunch.

I do think though that Luke Cage and Iron Fist would do better as a buddy movie than in separate solo films. Their own team up comic proved that they were more successful together than on their own. The general audience haven't seen a buddy comic movie yet either.

familiar, no. But they had heard of them.

its like we're all familiar with wonderwoman, flash, and aquaman, but they've not had a movie dedicated to them.

Thor, IronMan, Hulk, etc.. were all still iconic names, and id bet to some degree household names. But... did the general public really know the story behind these characters? most likely not.

you really have to rank marvels characters into 3 groups

A List: these are characters the public is very familiar with, or somewhat familiar with.. these heroes now have all had films...( i really can't think of an A list marvel hero who's not been on the screen yet....)

B List: these heroes are lesser known than the top ranking heroes, but they've been depicted in cartoons, and the casual comic reader or glancer has heard of them, or may know who they are. They're about 50/50 with the general public (examples: Black Panther, Dr. Strange, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, Ant-Man and Wasp, Namor, and Spider-Woman)

C List: these are pretty much "everyone else" only comic readers know of them, and the general audience arn't even familiar with the name let alone there story. This would be the category that Blade was in... so just because they arn't "known" doesn't men they can't have a successful movie.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Their goal is 3 movies per year at some point. I don't think that point will come until 2014 at the earliest, and even there, I don't see it happening by 2014. Now, if Avengers 2 is say 2015 (which is where I see it), then I could see a new franchise started that year. So, 2014 and 2015 would have maybe new franchises.

i honestly think 2013 is a realistic year for marvel to put out a 3rd movie.. to be honest. If the Antman final draft really is the final one this time.. I wouldn't be surprised if it started filming by the end of next year, ready for 2013.

 

[Spider-Fan]

i honestly think 2013 is a realistic year for marvel to put out a 3rd movie.. to be honest. If the Antman final draft really is the final one this time.. I wouldn't be surprised if it started filming by the end of next year, ready for 2013.

I think they'd be better off waiting til 2014 for Ant-Man, even if the script is done, or putting Ant-Man out in 2013 as a winter release. Sandwiching it between Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 is a bad idea. It would have to be a June movie, and June has not been a kind month to superhero films. Even good ones.

If they do the 3 a year plan, I think 1 film in May, 1 film in July, and 1 Winter release is best way to do it.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think they'd be better off waiting til 2014 for Ant-Man, even if the script is done, or putting Ant-Man out in 2013 as a winter release. Sandwiching it between Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 is a bad idea. It would have to be a June movie, and June has not been a kind month to superhero films. Even good ones.

If they do the 3 a year plan, I think 1 film in May, 1 film in July, and 1 Winter release is best way to do it.

i agree, ive always felt the B and C list characters need to be in winter (Nov-Feb) if there very successful, move them to summer for a sequel if need be.

 

[Lord]

i honestly think 2013 is a realistic year for marvel to put out a 3rd movie.. to be honest. If the Antman final draft really is the final one this time.. I wouldn't be surprised if it started filming by the end of next year, ready for 2013.

I would love that to happen

 

[spideyboy_1111]

There's also this

You might think Marvel has its hands full, juggling all the studio’s current superhero properties, but they’re eager to add even more characters into the mix. There’s still that Ant Man movie out there to be made by Edgar Wright, and now it seems they’re getting serious about Doctor Strange.

The comic book adapting Disney studio hired Thomas Donnelly and Joshua Oppenheimer to write a script back in 2010 and now word is from Twitch that the script is done and Marvel must like it, because they’re pushing forward with a Doctor Strange movie. They’re looking for a director and someone to “oversee continued development” which I guess mean they’re planning rewrites. Ok, I guess they didn’t like it that much.

But if this is true, then it does sound like the studio is serious about making a movie out of this character. And you thought Thor was too obscure to get his own film. Doctor Strange isn’t exactly known to anyone outside of comic book reader circles, even though the character has been a prominent part of the Marvel universe since the 60s. If they make a movie out of him, he’ll be the first superhero character we’ve seen who really uses magic. Thor dabbled in that realm, but what looked like magic was actually just alien technology beyond our comprehension. Doctor Strange is a straight up master magician, and maybe the time for that kind of character is right, with Harry Potter finished and leaving a hole in the creepy occult corners of our movie-going life.

So who will play him? A number of different actors have been rumored over the years, including Patrick Dempsey. The only currently rumored candidate at the moment is Tom Welling, who formerly played Clark Kent on Smallville and who a few months go was rumored to be in Marvel’s crosshairs for a number of roles (including Strange).

o god hell no to tom welling (far too young for strange's role), but the fact remains that Strange, and Ant-Man are the most underway marvel films...

and i still wish we knew what happened to Runaways

 

[Spider-Fan]

i agree, ive always felt the B and C list characters need to be in winter (Nov-Feb) if there very successful, move them to summer for a sequel if need be.

I think that'd be best way to do it. Personally, I also wouldn't invest 100+ mil on all these C-list characters, like Ant-Man. Maybe it is just me, but I have a hard time seeing Ant-Man making that much. I mean, he can't even hold his own comic book title. I think they should invest Super 8 type money into it. Not the normal 140-150mil. This is where I think Dr. Strange would be a safer investment.

 

[Lord]

There's also this



o god hell no to tom welling (far too young for strange's role), but the fact remains that Strange, and Ant-Man are the most underway marvel films...

and i still wish we knew what happened to Runaways

Humhm, i wonder if they will release Doctor Stange and Ant-Man during the same year

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I think that'd be best way to do it. Personally, I also wouldn't invest 100+ mil on all these C-list characters, like Ant-Man. Maybe it is just me, but I have a hard time seeing Ant-Man making that much. I mean, he can't even hold his own comic book title. I think they should invest Super 8 type money into it. Not the normal 140-150mil. This is where I think Dr. Strange would be a safer investment.

I think honestly, both those films should be on a smaller budget than all the previous ones we've seen. I think Strange needs to not rely on a big budget so it can actually get a great story. Because he's a character that honestly needs a great story to sell well.. because if not.. he will come off pretty ridiculous as well.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Humhm, i wonder if they will release Doctor Stange and Ant-Man during the same year

i'd doubt it.

 

[Dark Raven]

No to Tom Welling as Dr Strange. Everytime he's in costume we'll only see him from the neck upwards!

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think honestly, both those films should be on a smaller budget than all the previous ones we've seen. I think Strange needs to not rely on a big budget so it can actually get a great story. Because he's a character that honestly needs a great story to sell well.. because if not.. he will come off pretty ridiculous as well.

Dr. Strange's origin I think lends itself very well to film. It's very cinematic. You don't have to change the origin around all that much. Just modern tweaks and a more clear narrative. Ant-Man is a bit harder to approach, but Edgar Wright is creative and could make it worth. I agree, both shouldn't have 140-150 mil budgets. I'd invest more in Dr. Strange, personally. But, I'd still not put in the 140-150mil budget.

 

[Lord]

I think that'd be best way to do it. Personally, I also wouldn't invest 100+ mil on all these C-list characters, like Ant-Man. Maybe it is just me, but I have a hard time seeing Ant-Man making that much. I mean, he can't even hold his own comic book title. I think they should invest Super 8 type money into it. Not the normal 140-150mil. This is where I think Dr. Strange would be a safer investment.

I don't care anymore, as long as Edgar Wright makes it by 2013/2014, i'm sure it can make good money and i hope they use him in avengers 2 in case they want to use ultron