MCU Power Tiers

[CaptainMarvel19]

Cosmic Tier (cosmic/interdimension level power/presence on a planetary scale, at the minimum)

Dormammu
Surtur
Odin
Doctor Strange (with time gem..reality hack)

Transcendent Tier (City to planetary level power & Cosmic/interdimensional level influence on a local scale?)

Ego
Odin
Eson The Searcher
Ronan (w/power gem)
Thanos
Kurse

Powerhouse Tier (Beyond top tier, power/interdimensional power on a block to city Level)

Hela
Thor
Malekith (With reality gem)
Ancient One
Vision
Hulk
Hulkbuster Iron man


Top Tier (Street to block level?)

Ronan Loki (w/ or w/out scepter) Iron Man
Scarlet Witch
Quake
Doctor Strange

Superhuman Tier (Street Level)

Spiderman
Malekith
Captain America
Black Panther
Winter Soldier
Ant Man
Crossbones
Falcon
Quicksilver
Iron Fist
Luke Cage
Jessica Jones

Street Tier (non super human, agent level)

Black Widow
Daredevil
Hawkeye

 

[All-Father]

jaqua99 raankings are the most accurate, I think.

 

[BigThor]

jaqua99 raankings are the most accurate, I think.

New fight thread, Aldrich Killian vs Drax The Destroyer, link in my signature.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

As for the Guardians taking him down with explosives, well the Guardian's found a way in and got to the core and close enough to the brain to destroy it. It is almost like there are brain eating Amoebas in real life, but they can only get into your brain through your nose.

The Amoebas are easily killed by humans using salt water or chlorine in a swimming pool, so not tough to kill. Also, they can't go through peoples skin, they can be swallowed without killing people, I don't even think if they enter the blood stream it is a problem. It is only a problem when they enter through the nose and travel through the olfactory nerve to enter the brain. So, my point is that we as Humans I feel could kill these things off easily meaning we are more powerful, but if not suspected and under the right circumstances they can still kill humans. This is my analogy for Guardian's of the Galaxy being able to destroy Ego.

Surfer

That also reminds me of Luke destroying the Death Star in A New Hope.

 

[Surfer]

jaqua99 raankings are the most accurate, I think.

Well it is definitely a great starting point for us to use, and it will be updated with the official rankings once they have been established by fans in the Vs. matches.

Surfer

 

[Surfer]

That also reminds me of Luke destroying the Death Star in A New Hope.

Well that is the whole thing is that any character can truly beat any other character if the artist and writer are wanting to make it happen. So, it is up to us fans to look past all the BS. cheap excuse for a victory type stuff and really judge what these character's power levels are in the MCU.

Surfer

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

That's why Doctor Strange (with eye) will probably end up at the very top before the end.

 

[BigThor]

The Doctor Strange eye thing was a cheap excuse for victory for me, because it wasn't HIS power and it was more of a bargaining tool than a weapon. He wasn't immune to the effects of the eye either so it was more of a desperate sacrificial type thing.

 

[Surfer]

Well that is why if a character is fighting with an upgrade like a Gem of some sort it should be part of a separate battle and listed differently. For example...

Dr. Strange with Power Gem Vs. Odin

as opposed to

Dr. Strange Vs. Odin

I think it is okay the character be listed multiple times on the power tier listing if they commonly use an enhancement to show them with or without it.

Surfer

 

[BigThor]

I wasn't that impressed with Doctor Strange power wise, without artifacts he's barely Top Tier.

 

[Surfer]

That's why Doctor Strange (with eye) will probably end up at the very top before the end.

The Doctor Strange eye thing was a cheap excuse for victory for me, because it wasn't HIS power and it was more of a bargaining tool than a weapon. He wasn't immune to the effects of the eye either so it was more of a desperate sacrificial type thing.

I wasn't that impressed with Doctor Strange power wise, without artifacts he's barely Top Tier.

Well I definitely felt like Dr. Strange would have gotten owned by not only Dormammu, but even Kaicilius if it were not for the Time Gem. However, I do understand that the movie was more about his journey into the world of Sorcery then him actually becoming the Sorcerer Supreme. So, this would be an example of a character that has not displayed their full potential in my opinion, but yeah when voting for battles and even which tier they belong in we definitely need to consider only what we can see and what we know. We should not be speculating on what we think they are capable of. That is something that may be displayed in a future movie, but until then if you don't see it or know it happened as something mentioned then to me that level of their power does not exist within the MCU, at least not yet.

Surfer

 

[BigThor]

Well I definitely felt like Dr. Strange would have gotten owned by not only Dormammu, but even Kaicilius if it were not for the Time Gem. However, I do understand that the movie was more about his journey into the world of Sorcery then him actually becoming the Sorcerer Supreme. So, this would be an example of a character that has not displayed their full potential in my opinion, but yeah when voting for battles and even which tier they belong in we definitely need to consider only what we can see and what we know. We should not be speculating on what we think they are capable of. That is something that may be displayed in a future movie, but until then if you don't see it or know it happened as something mentioned then to me that level of their power does not exist within the MCU, at least not yet.

Surfer

Yep, that's very fair.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I wasn't that impressed with Doctor Strange power wise, without artifacts he's barely Top Tier.

i think without artifacts, Iron Man is barely Top Tier.

 

[BigThor]

i think without artifacts, Iron Man is barely Top Tier.

Well Iron Man personally created his Iron Man suits and arc reactor technology, Doctor Strange is using power from an Infinity Gem.

That's what I mean by "artifact".

 

[Surfer]

Well Iron Man personally created his Iron Man suits and arc reactor technology, Doctor Strange is using power from an Infinity Gem.

That's what I mean by "artifact".

Yeah, Iron Man to me is not really Iron Man without his Armor even though in the movies they try to make a case for it. After all Tony says "I am Iron Man". However, to me without the suit he is just Tony Stark. Where as Dr. Strange is always Dr. Strange regardless of whether he has the Time Gem or not. So, to me one defines the character where as the other enhances the character. If that makes any sense.

Surfer

 

[BigThor]

Yeah, Iron Man to me is not really Iron Man without his Armor even though in the movies they try to make a case for it. After all Tony says "I am Iron Man". However, to me without the suit he is just Tony Stark. Where as Dr. Strange is always Dr. Strange regardless of whether he has the Time Gem or not. So, to me one defines the character where as the other enhances the character. If that makes any sense.

Surfer

Exactly my point

 

[Surfer]

Exactly my point

Yeah, I know! I was just agreeing with you and trying to explain in a little more detail why Iron Man's tech is not an Artifact, while Dr. Strange using the Time Gem is.

Surfer

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Get a room you two. :P

Just kidding. No, I am mostly just being a smartass when i call Iron Man's armor the same as Strange's relics. But i'd say an argument could be made for Doctor Strange's use of relics being of similar necessity to his power level (if admittedly, not the same). He's rarely seen without the Eye in the film as well as the comics.

HOWEVER, I think the artifacts are extreme variables when discussing his power level and Iron Man's suits can be as well. For instance:

Cosmic Tier
Doctor Strange (with time gem..reality hack)
Dormammu

Transcendent Tier
Doctor Strange with some other relic
Hypothetical Uru armor Iron Man

Powerhouse Tier
Doctor Strange (with sling ring and cloak)
Hulkbuster Iron man

Top Tier (Street to block level?)
Iron Man (mk 2-47)

Superhuman Tier (Street Level)
Iron Man (Mk 1)
Doctor Strange (no relics)

Street Tier
Iron Man (no armor, see IM3)

Civilian Tier
Tony Stark (pre-arc reactor)
Doctor Strange (pre-training)




And I'm really not trying to complicate things, just talking things out.

 

[jaqua99]

Yes.

I also see Doctor Strange in his movie like Iron Man Mk1. He is going to end up being immensely powerful.

Also, to BigThor's comment about him not being able to beat Kaicillius, both he and ancient one were "amped" through out the movie. They were drawing power from Dormammu.

Strange was strong enough to be a Master and he learned fast. I would say by Thor Ragnarok (since time has passed), he's probably more powerful than Wanda at this point

 

[Surfer]

Yes.

I also see Doctor Strange in his movie like Iron Man Mk1. He is going to end up being immensely powerful.

Also, to BigThor's comment about him not being able to beat Kaicillius, both he and ancient one were "amped" through out the movie. They were drawing power from Dormammu.

Strange was strong enough to be a Master and he learned fast. I would say by Thor Ragnarok (since time has passed), he's probably more powerful than Wanda at this point

Yeah, I haven't seen Ragnarok yet, but there is supposedly a scene where Dr. Strange

Spoiler

Dispatches Loki pretty quickly as if nothing more then a nuisance

making me think that his power levels have improved significantly since his origin movie.

Surfer

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah, Iron Man to me is not really Iron Man without his Armor even though in the movies they try to make a case for it. After all Tony says "I am Iron Man". However, to me without the suit he is just Tony Stark. Where as Dr. Strange is always Dr. Strange regardless of whether he has the Time Gem or not. So, to me one defines the character where as the other enhances the character. If that makes any sense.

Surfer

Couldn't one argue that:

Reed Richards > Dr. Doom > than the rest of the Marvel Universe because their powers are their minds and their minds are limitless?

Though it seems this discussion is limited to current MCU characters.

 

[Surfer]

Couldn't one argue that:

Reed Richards > Dr. Doom > than the rest of the Marvel Universe because their powers are their minds and their minds are limitless?

Though it seems this discussion is limited to current MCU characters.

Yes, this list only includes Marvel Characters that reside within the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I would love for the Fantastic Four to come home from Fox, and if it does then they would definitely be added to the list.

As for your comment regarding Reed Richards and Dr. Doom, it is really a question about is Superhuman intelligence being considered a power? I think it definitely is a power that should be considered when people are voting for various characters. However, in that consideration sometimes intelligence requires planning or building something, and if these characters are in a fight are they going to be able to have time to do this. I mean when I think of a fight, I think of a set up like Street Fighter the Video Game. The fight begins and you have a few seconds before your opponent is upon you to come up with a game plan, defend attack, whatever, but you don't have a week or even a day to come up with an elaborate plan. It is more reactionary then anything else. At least that is how I see it, but really I leave the decision making up to the individual doing the voting. My opinion is just my opinion at the end of the day and it doesn't mean I am right. Which is why we are not relying on an individual voter, but a pool of people in hopes that it will give us a more accurate list.

Hope that helps.

Surfer

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yes, this list only includes Marvel Characters that reside within the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I would love for the Fantastic Four to come home from Fox, and if it does then they would definitely be added to the list.

As for your comment regarding Reed Richards and Dr. Doom, it is really a question about is Superhuman intelligence being considered a power? I think it definitely is a power that should be considered when people are voting for various characters. However, in that consideration sometimes intelligence requires planning or building something, and if these characters are in a fight are they going to be able to have time to do this. I mean when I think of a fight, I think of a set up like Street Fighter the Video Game. The fight begins and you have a few seconds before your opponent is upon you to come up with a game plan, defend attack, whatever, but you don't have a week or even a day to come up with an elaborate plan. It is more reactionary then anything else. At least that is how I see it, but really I leave the decision making up to the individual doing the voting. My opinion is just my opinion at the end of the day and it doesn't mean I am right. Which is why we are not relying on an individual voter, but a pool of people in hopes that it will give us a more accurate list.

Hope that helps.

Surfer

Yeah, sorry to derail the conversation, but it's sort of Marvel's version of the Batman vs. Superman concept and I saw people touching on it with their comments about characters with and without artifacts.

And it seems like generally speaking, despite his lack of inherent power, Dr. Doom has always been seen as one of the biggest threats in the Marvel Universe because of his mind (and while Reed Richards is generally not treated like as much of a factor, we know that he always edges and wins against Doom), so that, in theory, might make lowly and mostly ignored Reed Richards the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe.

Just something that popped into my head, so I wanted to put it out there to see if I was crazy or not.

 

[Surfer]

Yeah, sorry to derail the conversation, but it's sort of Marvel's version of the Batman vs. Superman concept and I saw people touching on it with their comments about characters with and without artifacts.

And it seems like generally speaking, despite his lack of inherent power, Dr. Doom has always been seen as one of the biggest threats in the Marvel Universe because of his mind (and while Reed Richards is generally not treated like as much of a factor, we know that he always edges and wins against Doom), so that, in theory, might make lowly and mostly ignored Reed Richards the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe.

Just something that popped into my head, so I wanted to put it out there to see if I was crazy or not.

Well under the right circumstances any character can theoretically take out another character, so it is important that we always look at the core of the characters power levels and not just look to an exception due to circumstances, when coming to a decision on the nature of their true power level. However, at the end of the day these are fictitious characters and therefore speculation is always going to play a role in decision making. Which is why I hope by using a pool of people speculating versus one individual speculating that it may have a more accurate outcome. A consensus of sorts arrived at through majority. So, is Reed Richards more powerful then Dr. Doom or even the most powerful character. Well once again they don't reside within the MCU, but if they did I would say that first you would have to consider the MCU versions may not be the same power level as their comic book counter parts. Then 2nd I would have to say that I personally do not feel like I would put either of those characters on the same power level as lets say Dormammu. Unless they had use of some Artifact, such as Reed Richards with the Ultimate Nullifier. However, he would have to actually appear with it in the MCU for it to become part of the battles. So, lets say if he was to appear in the MCU with the Ultimate Nullifier to take down Galactus. In that case the Battle could be presented as Reed Richards with Ultimate Nullifier Vs. Dormammu. As opposed to it just being Reed Richards vs. Dormammu. Now is Reed Richards or Dr. Doom smart enough to build something that would have a similar effect. Most definitely. However, I feel that we should not reference a fictitious invention that has not been created on screen. So, if he builds something that takes down Galactus that can be referenced then a battle can be used with that weapon as an enhancement to the character, or like I said even if he fetches one like the ultimate nullifier and uses it. In either case if it is shown on screen then I believe it becomes a valid argument for the character using that power as long as it is listed as part of the character description and not just the characters name alone. However, I just want to avoid people dreaming something up saying the character could theoretically do this or that because it was done in the comics. To me if it hasn't been shown or at least mentioned within the MCU movies or on television to me it does not exist within that Universe, at least not yet.

At least that is how I see it. Hope that helps.

Surfer

 

[jaqua99]

Yeah, sorry to derail the conversation, but it's sort of Marvel's version of the Batman vs. Superman concept and I saw people touching on it with their comments about characters with and without artifacts.

And it seems like generally speaking, despite his lack of inherent power, Dr. Doom has always been seen as one of the biggest threats in the Marvel Universe because of his mind (and while Reed Richards is generally not treated like as much of a factor, we know that he always edges and wins against Doom), so that, in theory, might make lowly and mostly ignored Reed Richards the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe.

Just something that popped into my head, so I wanted to put it out there to see if I was crazy or not.

Well when it comes to "mind", Thanos has them both beat, in canon actually. (Entire Infinity Saga/ The End) but that isn't typically used in a battle forum.

These battle threads are designed to basically put these characters in a situation where they have to fight each other in combat.