Far From Home MCU Spider-Man is very, very inaccurate

[WhoMani]

See... I think Garfield did it. From the moment he put on the costume his Spidey cracked wise, often at the expense of those he was up against, which is part of Spidey. With the mask on Peter can say ALL the things he wants to, even mean spirited things. In that aspect being Spidey works as a release vavle for him.

I would agree that Garfield's Spider-Man was the only one that would really try to constantly wisecrack while fighting bad guys even though I found him to be obnoxious and the jokes didn't feel natural.

 

[hellblazer103]

Why do people act like Tobey never quips? You can literally find examples of him quipping in some form or another in each movie.

SM1 : "that's a cute outfit, did your husband give it to you?" / "Sure beats the subway (after swinging and rescuing MJ)" / "Not comin' back, chief (when the cop says to him "I'll be here when you get back"), webbing JJ's mouth and going "let mommy and daddy talk for a minute will ya?" Etc etc etc

SM2 : " here's your CHANGE ! (throws bag of money back at Ock) / "I have a knack for that " (in response to Ock's "you're getting on my nerves") , "any more bright ideas?/I've got a few! Yeah! " In the train scene etc

SM3 : "guess you haven't heard! I'm the sheriff around these parts" when he first fights Sandman, " A couple of minutes ago wouldn't have been so bad either" in response to Harry's "looks like I came here in the knick of time " etc

 

[WhoMani]

I never said that Maguire's Spidey never quips (even though he never quip as much his successors) and my problem is more with Maguire's delivery of the jokes as it just felt like he was reading off a script.

 

[Schlosser85]

Holland does tons of quipping in Civil War and Homecoming.

 

[Mysteryman]

Holland does tons of quipping in Civil War and Homecoming.

Comes off naturally, too.

 

[spideyfan77]

MCU spiderman is not comics spiderman at all. Its funny how everyone was dying for disney to get it back and they make the most different and unfaithful adaption of spiderman on the big screen by far.

I think spiderman ps4 has really destroyed the mcu spiderman. That was probably the best spiderman we have ever gotten. It was different but was still SOOOOOO SPIDERMAN. It felt so much like spiderman with everything they did.

MCU spidey is currently the worst spidey ongoing. Ps4 and the spider-verse are ahead.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Why do people act like Tobey never quips? You can literally find examples of him quipping in some form or another in each movie.

SM1 : "that's a cute outfit, did your husband give it to you?" / "Sure beats the subway (after swinging and rescuing MJ)" / "Not comin' back, chief (when the cop says to him "I'll be here when you get back"), webbing JJ's mouth and going "let mommy and daddy talk for a minute will ya?" Etc etc etc

SM2 : " here's your CHANGE ! (throws bag of money back at Ock) / "I have a knack for that " (in response to Ock's "you're getting on my nerves") , "any more bright ideas?/I've got a few! Yeah! " In the train scene etc

SM3 : "guess you haven't heard! I'm the sheriff around these parts" when he first fights Sandman, " A couple of minutes ago wouldn't have been so bad either" in response to Harry's "looks like I came here in the knick of time " etc

Because those are all, every last one, terrible bits of humor and dialog.

 

[hellblazer103]

Because those are all, every last one, terrible bits of humor and dialog.

"Well... To each his own" - Green Goblin

Humor is subjective. And I'd say there's more to the character than quips anyway. Maybe they didn't try enough to make him funny, but the Garfield/Holland versions seem to be trying too much.

I thought at least some of the quips in 1 were decent ("it's you whos out Gobby" was kinda bad but the other ones were fine imo) but again, it's subjective...

 

[Infinity9999x]

Without the backstory to inform the character as is, what's left? If Batman was lighter, wouldn't he still be Batman, if he fought crime in a bat suit with his fortune after his parents were killed in an alley in front of him? With MCU Peter how he is, not particularly focused on the loss of Ben or even mentioning of it and Tony being a more prominent figure in his life as a mentor, isn't he still Spider-Man?

I think that's not the case. Raimi's MJ still had the aspects of the comic character, though not as focused on them. I think that by the character being someone who hides her issues behind a mask of confidence etc. that shows that insecurity was in the character. And I think that saying that those things don't make the character, when she has basically an adaption of the other stuff, is making the comic character seem one note.

I'm not arguing you have to like either character or not. Maybe some found the Raimi version to be something they were engaged by. I think she has more going on as a character than some of the MCU Spidey characters.

Without the personality, it doesn’t matter how good the backstory is. They’re both important, don’t get me wrong, and I’ve said as such. But it doesn’t matter if you get the backstory right and get the character wrong.

Now, in rare cases, you get characters that can vary widely. This typically comes with a character that has existed for a long period of time. Batman and Bond being prime examples. However, the personality differences must be consistent with the world they’re placed in. There’s a reason why people didn’t enjoy BF and B&R after B89 and Batman Returns. The world was set up as a darker interpretation. The personality and tonal change therefore felt out of place.

Long story short, the backstory is important as it informs the personality of the character, but without the personality, you have nothing. You have no character. People don’t fall in love with Peter Parker because his uncle died, they fall in love with him because of his choices, his humor, his drive.

Which is why, I’ll say again, I will never agree that backstory is the most important aspect of a character. And to that point, I don’t agree that Raimi’s Mary Jane represented the key MJ character traits. She just wasn’t very well developed, which is a bummer. I wish she had been, but the writing they gave her was rough.

 

[spiderman2]

I would agree that Garfield's Spider-Man was the only one that would really try to constantly wisecrack while fighting bad guys even though I found him to be obnoxious and the jokes didn't feel natural.

Garfield's spiderman was the best when it comes to wisecracking even more so in amazing spiderman 2 but than people complained he was a jerk. Its something that worried me and still does has when we got a good spiderman people all of a sudden said he was a jerk I dont get it.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Garfield's spiderman was the best when it comes to wisecracking even more so in amazing spiderman 2 but than people complained he was a jerk. Its something that worried me and still does has when we got a good spiderman people all of a sudden said he was a jerk I dont get it.

I think lots of fans of the Raimi films got used to amiable doormat Peter and forgot how biting and cutting Peter in the comics actually is and in fact... Yes... Spidey/Peter can indeed be a jerk. He can be a total ******* in fact. That's part of the character. He can fail at being a nice guy. It's LITERALLY baked into the character from the start. What stops him from staying a jerk is that he learns from his mistakes and failings. But to do that, well... One has to fail. One has to be not so nice from time to time. But the vogue is to have these super hero characters now (thanks in VERY large part to the way Marvel Studios has handled them) to all be written as utterly likable, even when they are being somewhat quippy *****ebags in the Stark mold because even then... The flaws are very surface deep and never anything that's dwelled upon, like, once again, what we got out of Stark from IM-IM3 and even honestly in AoU. Which is a HUGE chunk of the character's history in the MCU.

Even in the comics they sometimes make a note of how Peter's jokes hit so home for the villains that it's a huge reason for their hate. Peter Parker has been mean. He's been selfish. He's been myopic. He's been in other words EXACTLY what Stan wanted his heroes to always be in their conception... More human, and thus more relatable. And that's what comic Spidey has usually been. In the films though... The fans want a rehash of Raimi's Spidey again and again it seems and while sure, Peter was selfish in the origin there, the rest of the time, well... Again, amiable doormat that stuff happens to (Losing his powers which... Was there ever really an explanation for that? And then... Bonded to Venom. Both of which are the cover for his "selfish" of not so nice actions.) but in the end he's not so much really responsible for the bad things he does or says per se. It's mostly circumstances. Where as, yeah... Garfield is often as ass... And I don't have an issue with that. It's part and parcel of the melodrama of Spidey to me but some couldn't get over it or accept that Peter Parker could be narcissistic or mean, or petty, when he's often been that in the comics for decades.

 

[fan4stic]

Without the personality, it doesn’t matter how good the backstory is. They’re both important, don’t get me wrong, and I’ve said as such. But it doesn’t matter if you get the backstory right and get the character wrong.

Now, in rare cases, you get characters that can vary widely. This typically comes with a character that has existed for a long period of time. Batman and Bond being prime examples. However, the personality differences must be consistent with the world they’re placed in. There’s a reason why people didn’t enjoy BF and B&R after B89 and Batman Returns. The world was set up as a darker interpretation. The personality and tonal change therefore felt out of place.

Long story short, the backstory is important as it informs the personality of the character, but without the personality, you have nothing. You have no character. People don’t fall in love with Peter Parker because his uncle died, they fall in love with him because of his choices, his humor, his drive.

Which is why, I’ll say again, I will never agree that backstory is the most important aspect of a character. And to that point, I don’t agree that Raimi’s Mary Jane represented the key MJ character traits. She just wasn’t very well developed, which is a bummer. I wish she had been, but the writing they gave her was rough.

I think personality traits don't matter, because just having those makes the character interchangeable, so I think you saying she has none of the traits of the character isn't true. But I think she does have the personality, but with certain aspects more focused on than others.

I enjoyed BF and B&R. The world of Burton maybe, but that world was reset with Schumacher's. I don't think there was a personality change. Burton's had an over the top vibe, moreso BR, to me. I think Schumacher's continues that.

I think the characterization is there, with the personality traits, but with different aspects focused on. It's not about falling in love with the character to me. I've never even particularly liked any version of MJ. But that doesn't mean that I think Raimi didn't do the character. The characterization, personality traits and backstory are there, to me. I think the character wasn't written poorly. MJ had a character in the trilogy, so she was developed to me. I think she had more character development in SM1, than May, Ned, Michelle, Flash and Liz in HC altogether.

 

[spider-neil]

I still think Garfield is the best Spider-Man (not Peter Parker). His delivery is just so funny and he really gets across his emotions in costume with the mask still on.

I think Holland is easily the best Peter Parker, though. Just my opinion, I know a lot of people that feel Holland is the best Spider-Man in and out of costume.

 

[WhoMani]

Why do people think that anyone who doesn't like Garfield or Tolland is automatically a Raimi purist? I know plenty of Raimi purists that think that either the Spectacular Spider-Man or the Spider-Man PS4 game is the best version of Spider-Man character despite them liking Maguire's PP.

I'm not a huge Raimi fan but I simply didn't connect with Garfield's PP, I couln't buy that he was a nerd that no one liked and the jokes when he was Spider-Man felt a little forced. I guess him being wisecrack dude that annoyed criminal was the point but it just didn't work for me as it felt a bit mean-spirited.

I do agree that Holland is a great Peter Parker and he is easily becoming my favourite version of Peter Parker.. well at least on live action. His Spider-Man is a hit and miss for me atm but I think he will get better.

 

[spider-neil]

Why do people think that anyone who doesn't like Garfield or Tolland is automatically a Raimi purist? I know plenty of Raimi purists that think that either the Spectacular Spider-Man or the Spider-Man PS4 game is the best version of Spider-Man character despite them liking Maguire's PP.

I'm not a huge Raimi fan but I simply didn't connect with Garfield's PP, I couln't buy that he was a nerd that no one liked and the jokes when he was Spider-Man felt a little forced. I guess him being wisecrack dude that annoyed criminal was the only point but it just didn't work for me as it felt a bit mean-spirited.

I do agree that Holland is a great Peter Parker and he is easily becoming my favourite version of Peter Parker.. well at least on live action. His Spider-Man is a hit and miss for me atm but I think he will get better.

As I said, I just loved Garfield's delivery. It's about the delivery, not the joke. I always imagined that Spidey's jokes are bad and that they get under the skin of criminals, hence why they get so angry. The scene in the car with the carjacker is just gold. Admittedly, it turns dark when he webs the criminal's mouth shut. Garfield is 'my' Spider-Man in costume.

 

[WhoMani]

As I said, I just loved Garfield's delivery. It's about the delivery, not the joke. I always imagined that Spidey's jokes are bad and that they get under the skin of criminals, hence why they get so angry. The scene in the car with the carjacker is just gold. Admittedly, it turns dark when he webs the criminal's mouth shut. Garfield is 'my' Spider-Man in costume.

I admit that the carjacker scene was actually solid and memorable.

 

[spider-neil]

I admit that the carjacker scene was actually solid and memorable.

Ahem. [the thief finally notices him] You know, in the future, if you're gonna steal a car, you don't dress like a car thief, man.

Who are you? Are you a cop?

Really? You seriously think I'm a cop? Cop in a skintight red and blue suit, you know, you, you... [webs the thief's face] You got the mind...of a true scholar, sir. Good thinking, good thinking. Use the window, get out the window. There ya go, you got it.

Bad jokes, good delivery.

 

[ragingdemon155]

I think at times people feel as if Tobey didn’t quip or wisecrack during the Scenes. That’s not the issue at all. He tried to do his best with it but his delivery and monotone way of speaking just didn’t Go hand and hand with it. His energy levels just seemed too low to handle a character like Spider-Man. He was never going to be able to deliver those lines on point because the Tone of his voice was always working against him for this particular character.

Andrew definitely did a good job with the wisecracks and just had much more energy with the role. His delivery was much better. I had no issues with him as Spider-Man because he had that on point. My issues with him were more on the Peter Parker side but that’s more due to the material he was given at times.

I think Tom Holland is the best though by far in my opinion but I do wish they would give him more material to work with as far as wisecracks because the kid definitely delivers. It’s almost hard to dislike him in the role because of the passion and energy he seems to bring everytime he plays it. It’s infectious and he’s definitely connected with the audience in a way that no Spider-Man before him did.

 

[Schlosser85]

I think at times people feel as if Tobey didn’t quip or wisecrack during the Scenes. That’s not the issue at all. He tried to do his best with it but his delivery and monotone way of speaking just didn’t Go hand and hand with it. His energy levels just seemed too low to handle a character like Spider-Man. He was never going to be able to deliver those lines on point because the Tone of his voice was always working against him for this particular character.

Andrew definitely did a good job with the wisecracks and just had much more energy with the role. His delivery was much better. I had no issues with him as Spider-Man because he had that on point. My issues with him were more on the Peter Parker side but that’s more due to the material he was given at times.

I think Tom Holland is the best though by far in my opinion but I do wish they would give him more material to work with as far as wisecracks because the kid definitely delivers. It’s almost hard to dislike him in the role because of the passion and energy he seems to bring everytime he plays it. It’s infectious and he’s definitely connected with the audience in a way that no Spider-Man before him did.

Totally agree about Maguire.

Holland just in terms of his own personality is far better-suited to Peter Parker (Holland's not all that different IRL besides having a British accent). Boundless energy level and exuberance, obviously totally gung-ho about the role, and is eminently likable.

Plus he's great with fans and children and seems like just a good dude. He's a great addition to the MCU.

 

[fan4stic]

I think at times people feel as if Tobey didn’t quip or wisecrack during the Scenes. That’s not the issue at all. He tried to do his best with it but his delivery and monotone way of speaking just didn’t Go hand and hand with it. His energy levels just seemed too low to handle a character like Spider-Man. He was never going to be able to deliver those lines on point because the Tone of his voice was always working against him for this particular character.

Andrew definitely did a good job with the wisecracks and just had much more energy with the role. His delivery was much better. I had no issues with him as Spider-Man because he had that on point. My issues with him were more on the Peter Parker side but that’s more due to the material he was given at times.

I think Tom Holland is the best though by far in my opinion but I do wish they would give him more material to work with as far as wisecracks because the kid definitely delivers. It’s almost hard to dislike him in the role because of the passion and energy he seems to bring everytime he plays it. It’s infectious and he’s definitely connected with the audience in a way that no Spider-Man before him did.

I never said that Maguire's Spidey never quips (even though he never quip as much his successors) and my problem is more with Maguire's delivery of the jokes as it just felt like he was reading off a script.

I don't think his delivery was like that with that. He came off as enthusiastic in those line readings to me.

Andrew's wisecracking to me came off as the movie trying too hard, moreso in 2. Not an issue with the performance, but the writing in both movies.

Because those are all, every last one, terrible bits of humor and dialog.

I don't think that any more than the wisecracking in TASM 2 or 1 in some cases.

Totally agree about Maguire.

Holland just in terms of his own personality is far better-suited to Peter Parker (Holland's not all that different IRL besides having a British accent). Boundless energy level and exuberance, obviously totally gung-ho about the role, and is eminently likable.

Plus he's great with fans andchildren and seems like just a good dude. He's a great addition to the MCU.

I think Holland's, either in writing and/or directing, and/or performance, Peter is more of wide eyed Peter than I've seen in any Spider-Man, at least in Homecoming/IW. I think it doesn't play for the character to me. I think Peter is someone who has a more heaviness to him than what I those movies presented. Even his sadness in EG now that I think about it came off as more of a wide eyed sad, as opposed to a heavier sad to me. Like he cried. Maybe FFH has a difference in that, but I think that's a bit.

 

[WhoMani]

I think at times people feel as if Tobey didn’t quip or wisecrack during the Scenes. That’s not the issue at all. He tried to do his best with it but his delivery and monotone way of speaking just didn’t Go hand and hand with it. His energy levels just seemed too low to handle a character like Spider-Man. He was never going to be able to deliver those lines on point because the Tone of his voice was always working against him for this particular character.

You perfectly decribed how I felt about Maguire's delivery of the jokes. But I thought Maguire did well with expressing the reflective nature of Peter Parker and I would say that Maguire's PP is more grounded than his two successors.

 

[Another_Fool]

I would agree that Garfield's Spider-Man was the only one that would really try to constantly wisecrack while fighting bad guys even though I found him to be obnoxious and the jokes didn't feel natural.

Felt pretty natural to me.

As I said, I just loved Garfield's delivery. It's about the delivery, not the joke. I always imagined that Spidey's jokes are bad and that they get under the skin of criminals, hence why they get so angry. The scene in the car with the carjacker is just gold. Admittedly, it turns dark when he webs the criminal's mouth shut. Garfield is 'my' Spider-Man in costume.

I agree with you but I also think he had the chops to pull off Peter Parker if he had been given the right material. In ASM they wrote Parker as this skater / misunderstood loner. He was still a smart nerd but they made him a little too cool. In spite of that though you can somewhat see in Garfield's performance that he had that subtle arrogance that Peter always had in the comics. Hell look at the one thing the ASM movies did right which was the romance, Garfield nails Peter.

I'm fully convinced that if they had brought Garfield into the MCU, people would be singing his praises right now on how perfect he was because he would've had the material to shine. (I understand right now Spider-Man's depiction in the MCU is contested within the fanbase, but I'm going off the likely scenario that if Marvel had brought in the ASM reindition to the MCU, he wouldve been translated differently)

Don't get me wrong, Tom is really really good and very likeable, but I think Garfield can bring that similar performance and Garfield actually looks and resembles Peter Parker physically more than Tom does. Again, absolutely not knocking Holland.

 

[WhoMani]

Felt pretty natural to me.

To me it just came off a little try hard but each to their own.

 

[ragingdemon155]

You perfectly decribed how I felt about Maguire's delivery of the jokes. But I thought Maguire did well with expressing the reflective nature of Peter Parker and I would say that Maguire's PP is more grounded than his two successors.

I agree with him being more grounded..I didn’t dislike Maguire at all. He was a great Peter Parker . I seriously can’t recall anyone ever really having an issue with his interpretation of the character. The problem was always his version of Spider-Man and it wasn’t his fault either. His voice, monotone way of talking and so on is what it is. No way to work Around that. He just wasn’t a good fit to deliver the humor aspect on a consistent basis when the mask was on.

Still loved him as the character though.

Honestly I liked all 3 leads in the role. I feel like they all had their own strengths and weaknesses. However to me, Holland just combines all the aspects the best and theirs a certain likability factor to him that is seriously resonating big time with the audience.

 

[WhoMani]

I agree with him being more grounded..I didn’t dislike Maguire at all. He was a great Peter Parker . I seriously can’t recall anyone ever really having an issue with his interpretation of the character. The problem was always his version of Spider-Man and it wasn’t his fault either. His voice, monotone way of talking and so on is what it is. No way to work Around that. He just wasn’t a good fit to deliver the humor aspect on a consistent basis when the mask was on.

Still loved him as the character though.

Honestly I liked all 3 leads in the role. I feel like they all had their own strengths and weaknesses. However to me, Holland just combines all the aspects the best and theirs a certain likability factor to him that is seriously resonating big time with the audience.

The general consensus from fans is Maguire was a great Peter Parker while Andrew Garfield was a good Spider-Man.

Holland is becoming my favourite version of PP/Spider-Man and I'm actually excited to see him grow as the character. I just hope that he relies less and less on Stark's techs.