MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Batmannerism]

Actually, I don't think Sersi will matter, because it was fairly explicit in the movie that her transmutation powers *don't* work on living things, not normally. It was an artificial powerup resulting from being connected to the soon-to-be-Emerging Celestial which let her do so. I don't consider such temporary powerups normally. Even if she *could*, though, it probably still wouldn't matter. She has fairly limited range, no mobility, and is a relatively squishy non-combatant by Eternal standards. Basically, she's almost certainly going to be a casualty in the initial exchange of fire well before she'd get the chance to actually do anything.

As for the teamwork, sure, that's a valid point. I just don't think its going to be enough against someone whose basically "Like Ikaris only buffer", especially when so much of their ability to even potential win hinges on a few fairly squishy people.

( And all this is, natch, assuming that it almost immediately turns into Eternals vs Captain Marvel. Every single A-Force member whose either too durable or too airborne for Makkari to quickly blitz makes the odds even worse. )

It's not explicit at all that Sersi's powers don't work on living things. You missed the bit where Sersi turns one of the upgraded Deviants into a tree. This is well before the Uni Mind or any link to Tiamut.

The comic version of Sersi's powers work extremely well on living beings - hence the name, which is derived from the Sorceress Circe of Greek myth, famous for turning Odysseus' crew into pigs.

What's more likely is that she never really tried to extend her powers, in 7000 years, and was never a warrior Eternal, so used to sitting on the sidelines waiting for the fighters to clean up the Deviants while she turned rock into metal... which is a ****ty piece of writing, because it's plot convenience.

Also, and again this is just part of the film's ****ty writing , because writers with half a brain would have realised that if she can change water into any other substance that's more than enough to kill any living creature. But no, Sersi is written as a complete airhead.

As far as "squishy" Eternals go, both Druig and Sersi survive and recover very quickly from injuries that would straight up kill most of A Force. Shuri, the Dora Milaje, Wasp, Mantis and probably even Gamora would not survive, or at least be incapacitated, by being blasted through a
Few dozen feet of volcanic rock.

We'll see how the poll turns out.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'm tempted to go with Hulk on this one, but Makkari could be a reasonable answer too.

Aaahhhh whatever, I'll vote HULK and imagine I'm looking at Omni Man vs their speedster.

 

[Batmannerism]

We'll see how the poll turns out....and now we know, Eternals take out A Force.

Eternals win. Next up:
Makkari

vs Savage Hulk

Who you got peeps?!

Hulk. Ikaris was able to tank a long Salvo of attacks from Makaari and then grab and blast her.
So she can be caught. If Hulk can lay a hand on her she's in trouble.

More likely Hulk could use his sonic clap to create a Shockwave or damage the terrain while Makaari is moving at speed over it.

I think Hulk could comfortably take whatever pounding Makaari could deliver until he figures out some way to hit her.

 

[Batgirl0202]

This would be an interesting fight for sure. Unlike Superman, Hulk doesn't have a vast array of additional powers to compliment his brute strength. Theoretically, Makkari should be able to create a vortex around him that would deprive him of oxygen. The question of course is how long would this take, and would she be able to run in circles long enough without passing out lol.

Hmmm. I'll go with Hulk on this. Too many extra variables to consider...

 

[metaphysician]

Makkari vs Hulk:

On one hand, Makkari really should never be touched by Hulk without speedster PIS. OTOH, I am more than willing to credit the Hulk as significantly brickier than Ikaris, he has the option of things like thunderclaps and ground pounds, and ultimately Makkari was able to occupy but not take down Ikaris. I'm inclined to say Hulk takes it most of the time, most likely via doing a thunderclap or such until eventually Makkari messes up the evasion timing. This could be subject to change if we ever see Makkari again and get more information about her capabilities, mind.

Re: Sersi, again, note the scene at the very end of the Tiamat "fight". Sersi outright explicitly stated that her ability to alter a living thing was fading fast, so Sprite had to make her decision right there, as confirmed by her later conversation with Dane about how she could only turn him into a giraffe if she got juiced on cosmic energy again. And her earlier fight with the one Deviant was before the Unimind, yes. . . but it was *after* she took up the Celestial Radio Doohickey from Ajak's body, the doohickey that linked her to the Celestials and which was the linchpin for Phaestos building the Unimind. The movie was fairly clear on the matter, she could transmute living things because of the power up, and only because of it. Maybe this might change in a future movie, but that is how it currently is.

Oh, and re: large team fights, my philosophy is to look for imbalances that just break the conflict. Does one team have a speed advantage over the other? Does one team have a member that is relatively invincible versus the available firepower? Does one team have someone with massive area frag abilities and enough speed/durability that its unlikely they can be preempted? Something like that. Most of the time, unless the teams are matched up really really well, those kind of factors will matter *much* more than details of individual tactics ( though even tactics can potentially be this kind of a game breaker, if one team has top quality leadership and coordination, while the other only has crazy people who can barely keep from murdering each other ).

 

[Holy Slapper]

You know who I think is really underrated? Wasp. I really think she can do damage with her shrinkage ability.

Plus her tweets and Instagram postings can end careers.

 

[Docker2.0]

Plus her tweets and Instagram postings can end careers.

 

[Docker2.0]

Hulk wins. Next up:
Ikaris

vs Carnage

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Batgirl0202]

For this one I'm going with Ikaris.

I'll stick with just the movie versions of the characters. As formidable as Carnage may seem, the symbiotes are still organic creatures. They may be difficult to kill but they aren't immortal.

Ikaris, on the other hand, is basically the Eternal equivalent of Superman. Between his strength, power of flight, and cosmic energy eye beams, it really wouldn't be much of a match...

And don't even get me started on the comics version, who is virtually immortal, immune to disease and aging, and invulnerable to conventional forms of injury. Should Ikaris be injured somehow, he could regenerate any injured or missing tissue. Cosmic energy bolsters Ikaris's metabolism so that he does not tire from any physical exertion. He can resist temperature extremes through mental concentration.

I liken it to the comics situation with Sentry, where Carnage got his *** handed to him. I'll go Ikaris 9/10.

 

[Batmannerism]

Hulk wins. Next up:
Ikaris

vs Carnage

Who you got peeps?!

Ikaris because reasons....

Just kidding. It's more about the huge mobility advantage, super strength and laser beams.

Actually Ikaris has one significant advantage. He's not alive, so the symbiote probably can't infect him

Also, just watched the end of Venom 2....wow it was hilarious, in all the wrong ways.
.

 

[InCali]

This would be an interesting fight for sure. Unlike Superman, Hulk doesn't have a vast array of additional powers to compliment his brute strength. Theoretically, Makkari should be able to create a vortex around him that would deprive him of oxygen. The question of course is how long would this take, and would she be able to run in circles long enough without passing out lol.

Hmmm. I'll go with Hulk on this. Too many extra variables to consider...

"Hulk Jump. Puny Eternal"

 

[InCali]

Ikaris easily.....not close.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

IKARIS

F*** you Carnage

 

[Batmannerism]

Ikaris because reasons.

IKARIS

F*** you Carnage

I wonder about some of the stuff in that movie, it was goofy as hell ! Cheers.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I wonder about some of the stuff in that movie, it was goofy as hell ! Cheers.

Let there Be Carnage was made to be goofy and revel in the silliness, and it's the first thing I love about it.

Cheers.

 

[metaphysician]

Ikaris vs Carnage:

Ikaris, easily. This is a fight between two characters who aren't even in the same league. Carnage shouldn't even be able to hurt Ikaris at all.

 

[Docker2.0]

Ikaris wins. Next up:

Shang chi

vs US Agent

Who you got peeps?!

 

[Bayne]

Shang-Chi would stomp Walker's ass either way but - and correct me if I'm wrong - that picture is from before Walker even gets the super serum, right? That's not even a fair fight.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'll consider the fight Rings Chi vs souped up U.S. Agent, and assume the son of Ego loses this fight.

SHANG CHI

 

[Luigi]

Pre-serum Walker vs Shang-Chi? That's just cruel.

Shang-Chi

 

[InCali]

Shang

 

[metaphysician]

Shang-Chi vs John Walker:

Honestly, even if Walker has the super serum, I am inclined to say Shang-Chi would still win. Walker is ultimately just not that good at being a superhero, is prone to letting his pride or his anger get the better of him, and otherwise should be much more exploitable an opponent for a superhumanly skilled martial artist like Shang-Chi. It won't be a *quick* fight, sure, but. . . basically, you know the fights Shang had with Razorfist? That's basically what him versus Walker would look like.

And that's the most favorable matchup. If Walker *doesn't* get the serum, or if Shang has Ta-Lo gear or, God forbid, the ten rings? Stomp.

 

[Docker2.0]

Dang it you guys! Walker would have the serum but I can see how it could be confusing I guess. So Shang Chi wins. Next up:

Loki

Vs Carnage

Who you got peeps?!

 

[InCali]

Loki in a walk.

 

[Docker2.0]

Loki in a walk.

Stop it. Loki got beat by a couple of TSA guys.
*looks for a Batmannerism rant*