MCU vs thread....controversy and chaos

[Spider-Aziz]

Ronan the Accuser

 

[Batmannerism]

Daredevil wins in a shut out. Next up:
Iron Spidey

vs Ronan the Accuser

Who you got peeps?

Hmmmm...... This is tough- unless it's Ronan with the power stone, because then he just blows up the planet Spidey is on.

Physically Spidey is much much faster although Ronan is a skilled fighter and a complete psychopath - and has amazing strength and durability even for a Kree.

If Ronan could get ahold of Spidey or stun him with his hammer blaster then he could finish Spidey off with his bare hands.

Ronan's weakness is his arrogance ( e.g. rather than make sure Drax was dead he just tossed him in the Bat of yellow goo. )

Spidey is very tough and he could take Ronan down, but he would need to be a bit more ruthless ( as in web up Ronan's eyes/face and then get close enough to activate instant kill mode).

I'll say Ronan 7/10 and Spidey 3/10. So Ronan by a nose.

 

[Luigi]

Ronan

Just the sheer strength difference is enough to put Peter down.

 

[Batmannerism]

Ronan

Just the sheer strength difference is enough to put Peter down.

They way Ronan easily manhandled Drax suggests he's super strong, even for a Kree - I feel like Peter has a chance, because in the comics he beats stronger opponents all the time and the Iron Spider suit makes him damn tough, but it's still only a slim chance.

 

[Luigi]

Given that it's been three days, I'll start one up.

Ronan wins in a shutout. Next up:

Captain Marvel (Photon Inhibitor)

vs.

Killmonger

 

[Batmannerism]

Given that it's been three days, I'll start one up.

Ronan wins in a shutout. Next up:

Captain Marvel (Photon Inhibitor)

vs.

Killmonger

Kilmonger without the Panther suit or powers - Cap wins easily, she's still super strong and tough and her photon blasts are very powerful.

She's a pretty skilled combatant - trained by USAF and Kree special forces, not as skilled as Eric, but she's no noob either.

Kilmonger with the suit and Panther powers.....still loses. It would be a lot closer and he could probably wound Cap quite badly, but even with the inhibitor she's just too powerful and would beat him down - can the vibranium suit handle photon blasts ? I'm not convinced.

 

[Docker2.0]

Yeah Captain Marvel easily. She sucks.

 

[Batmannerism]

Yeah Captain Marvel easily. She sucks.

Cap is pretty much the MCU's version of Superman , she fulfils the same sort of role - cosmic hero who swoops in to save the day. She just has a lot more attitude.

 

[Luigi]

I just remembered that it's the tenth anniversary of Iron Man 2. I should've created a match with the Mark V or Mark VI suit.

 

[Docker2.0]

Cap is pretty much the MCU's version of Superman , she fulfils the same sort of role - cosmic hero who swoops in to save the day. She just has a lot more attitude.

He's actually more lovable and that's not saying much. I still hope there is a chance Cavill plays Wolverine in the MCU.

 

[Batmannerism]

He's actually more lovable and that's not saying much. I still hope there is a chance Cavill plays Wolverine in the MCU.

Oh I wasn't saying she's as likeable as Superman- that's no question, she just has the same kind of function.

Often in JL stories they have to invent a reason why Superman or Flash can't get immediately involved in resolving the main problem - or have villains with either similar powers or who can neutralize their powers- so that they can show up later and save the day.

In Endgame if Cap Marvel had been present when Thor, Cap and Tony fought Thanos, then Thanos would have been toast - which is why she disappeared after the first ten minutes and then appears at the end.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

CAPTAIN MARVEL

 

[Fosterson]

In Endgame if Cap Marvel had been present when Thor, Cap and Tony fought Thanos, then Thanos would have been toast - which is why she disappeared after the first ten minutes and then appears at the end.

Not necessarily. It's worth remembering that Thanos had already taken a LOT of punishment by the time he faced Captain Marvel at the end of the battle. He had fought his way through the Big 3 (taking a number of big hits from Mjolnir along the way), taken out numerous good-guy fodder, and nearly been ripped apart by Wanda. He also no longer had his sword, which was a pretty big loss for him.

So, basically, you're putting a wounded, unarmed and relatively tired (he was clearly panting) Thanos up against a completely fresh Captain Marvel.

I would contend that a fully fresh Thanos carrying his sword would do a lot better against Carol. I'm not saying he would win for sure, but he would definitely put up a better fight. For example, he could use the sword to block her photon blasts like he did with Tony's repulsors. Also, Carol wouldn't really have any way to parry the sword and if it were to connect even once with her it's game over.

I don't buy into this whole notion that Thanos is fodder to Carol or whatever. I think she was fortunate to never have to face him at his best (i.e. fully fresh and armed with his signature weapon).

 

[Docker2.0]

I agree Fosterson. I really don't think Captain Marvel could have beaten a fully rested Thanos, the one Cap, Thor, and Iron Man faced. I think the reason she got him when she did was because the Infinity sword was gone, so was most of his armor and he was becoming desperate and losing focus. He didn't use any of the stones in Endgame until he used the power stone to get rid of Captain Marvel. The way he manhandled the big 3, there's no way he couldn't take out Captain Marvel.

 

[Batmannerism]

Not necessarily. It's worth remembering that Thanos had already taken a LOT of punishment by the time he faced Captain Marvel at the end of the battle. He had fought his way through the Big 3 (taking a number of big hits from Mjolnir along the way), taken out numerous good-guy fodder, and nearly been ripped apart by Wanda. He also no longer had his sword, which was a pretty big loss for him.

So, basically, you're putting a wounded, unarmed and relatively tired (he was clearly panting) Thanos up against a completely fresh Captain Marvel.

I would contend that a fully fresh Thanos carrying his sword would do a lot better against Carol. I'm not saying he would win for sure, but he would definitely put up a better fight. For example, he could use the sword to block her photon blasts like he did with Tony's repulsors. Also, Carol wouldn't really have any way to parry the sword and if it were to connect even once with her it's game over.

I don't buy into this whole notion that Thanos is fodder to Carol or whatever. I think she was fortunate to never have to face him at his best (i.e. fully fresh and armed with his signature weapon).

I agree Fosterson. I really don't think Captain Marvel could have beaten a fully rested Thanos, the one Cap, Thor, and Iron Man faced. I think the reason she got him when she did was because the Infinity sword was gone, so was most of his armor and he was becoming desperate and losing focus. He didn't use any of the stones in Endgame until he used the power stone to get rid of Captain Marvel. The way he manhandled the big 3, there's no way he couldn't take out Captain Marvel.

You guys misunderstanding me.
What I'm saying is that if Captain Marvel was present when Thanos fought Thor, Captain America and Iron Man, they would have beaten him - he couldn't have beaten all four of them.

Imagine if Cap Marvel was there when Thanos fought Worthy Cap. With the extra distraction Worthy Cap could have landed a knockout blow.

Thanos might have been tired, but Carol clearly overpowered him, and didn't flinch when he headbutted her. You add that into the mix with Thor and Stormbreaker, which we know can seriously injure Thanos + Cap with Mjolnir plus Tony as a distraction, and Thanos is going down.

That's the whole reason she shows up later on.

 

[Fosterson]

You guys misunderstanding me.
What I'm saying is that if Captain Marvel was present when Thanos fought Thor, Captain America and Iron Man, they would have beaten him - he couldn't have beaten all four of them.

Ah, OK. I was thinking more in terms of a 1v1 between the two of them.

Imagine if Cap Marvel was there when Thanos fought Worthy Cap. With the extra distraction Worthy Cap could have landed a knockout blow.

I agree that Worthy Cap and Carol together would probably beat Thanos.

Thanos might have been tired, but Carol clearly overpowered him, and didn't flinch when he headbutted her.

I don't want to get into the whole "Was Carol drawing energy from the Space Stone?" debate, but I do think it's worth noting that just a few seconds before, he was able to grab her and toss her aside pretty easily. Not to mention that Thanos wasn't just tired. He was missing his sword, which is a pretty major combat asset for him. Beating Thanos without his sword is a bit like beating Thor without his hammer or Cap without his shield - you're not fighting them at their best.

The sword played a crucial role in his fight with the Big 3. He used it to block Tony's overcharged repulsors, then used it to parry Stormbreaker, before then using it to cut Cap's shield in half. In fact, I venture that an unarmed Thanos would have probably lost that fight.

And even if I concede that Carol is stronger than him, strength is only one factor in a fight. With his sword, Thanos would only need to land one hit on her to end the fight. She doesn't have any durability feats to suggest she can survive that.

You add that into the mix with Thor and Stormbreaker, which we know can seriously injure Thanos

Thor was a non-factor in that fight and the entire movie. And honestly, having Stormbreaker around is a liability, given that Thanos can just pick it up and then use it against the Avengers - including Carol.

As I said before though, Worthy Cap and Carol get the job done.

That's the whole reason she shows up later on.

I don't think so. Like I said in my previous post, I don't buy into the idea that Carol is just in a completely different league to Thanos. They could have had her show up earlier and fight Thanos in a 1v1 while he was fresher and still had his sword.

The reason why Carol showed up so late - and also didn't go on the Time Heist - was because this movie was supposed to be about the original 6 Avengers and their final showdown with Thanos. Carol had no personal relationship or history (aside from the brief scene at the start of EG) with Thanos and therefore the conflict between them wasn't personal in the way that it was between the OG 6 and Thanos.

 

[Shuri]

Someone said Captain marvel and I come running. She's winning this.

 

[Batmannerism]

Ah, OK. I was thinking more in terms of a 1v1 between the two of them.



I agree that Worthy Cap and Carol together would probably beat Thanos.



I don't want to get into the whole "Was Carol drawing energy from the Space Stone?" debate, but I do think it's worth noting that just a few seconds before, he was able to grab her and toss her aside pretty easily. Not to mention that Thanos wasn't just tired. He was missing his sword, which is a pretty major combat asset for him. Beating Thanos without his sword is a bit like beating Thor without his hammer or Cap without his shield - you're not fighting them at their best.

The sword played a crucial role in his fight with the Big 3. He used it to block Tony's overcharged repulsors, then used it to parry Stormbreaker, before then using it to cut Cap's shield in half. In fact, I venture that an unarmed Thanos would have probably lost that fight.

And even if I concede that Carol is stronger than him, strength is only one factor in a fight. With his sword, Thanos would only need to land one hit on her to end the fight. She doesn't have any durability feats to suggest she can survive that.



Thor was a non-factor in that fight and the entire movie. And honestly, having Stormbreaker around is a liability, given that Thanos can just pick it up and then use it against the Avengers - including Carol.

As I said before though, Worthy Cap and Carol get the job done.



I don't think so. Like I said in my previous post, I don't buy into the idea that Carol is just in a completely different league to Thanos. They could have had her show up earlier and fight Thanos in a 1v1 while he was fresher and still had his sword.

The reason why Carol showed up so late - and also didn't go on the Time Heist - was because this movie was supposed to be about the original 6 Avengers and their final showdown with Thanos. Carol had no personal relationship or history (aside from the brief scene at the start of EG) with Thanos and therefore the conflict between them wasn't personal in the way that it was between the OG 6 and Thanos.

Yeah the sword made quite a difference, especially against Cap's shield, as did Thanos' armour, which no doubt protected him from some of the blows from Worthy Cap.

I've just realised that I wrote "that's the whole reason" for Carol disappearing for most of the movie and showing up at the end - and the word "whole" is clearly wrong on my part.

You're right that the film is mostly meant to be about the 6 OG Avengers - and the transition to the next set of Avengers.

I guess Carol is probably a bit like the Eagles in Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit , showing up at the end to help save the day - which is exactly what Superman does in Justice League ( and the comics and animated films) although I suppose in the JL live action film he doesn't appear for most of the film because he's actually dead.

 

[Docker2.0]

Captain Marvel wins because she sucks. Next up:

Quicksilver

Thor

Who you got peeps?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Thor will just hit him with lightning and get over with it.

 

[Docker2.0]

Thor will just hit him with lightning and get over with it.

Isn't he faster than lightning though?

 

[Luigi]

I think this answers it.

I mean yeah he can hurt superhumans like Cap but Thor is another level.

 

[Batmannerism]

Captain Marvel wins because she sucks. Next up:

Quicksilver

Thor

Who you got peeps?

Thor ( even TDW Thor ) has more than just physical strength and could defeat Q without touching him.

Maybe Quicksilver could cause some superficial injuries with super fast strikes ( he was able to smash Ultron Drones) but I can't see him hitting Thor hard enough to do any real damage.

In contrast Thor could use winds or a tornado to knock Quicksilver down and then fry him with lightning.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Isn't he faster than lightning though?

Not if he's caught unaware, like how a bullet pierced his arm.

 

[Fosterson]

Thor ( even TDW Thor ) has more than just physical strength and could defeat Q without touching him.

Maybe Quicksilver could cause some superficial injuries with super fast strikes ( he was able to smash Ultron Drones) but I can't see him hitting Thor hard enough to do any real damage.

In contrast Thor could use winds or a tornado to knock Quicksilver down and then fry him with lightning.

I know people hate MCU Pietro because of the bad Russian accent, but I do feel like he's being sold a little short here. He was fast enough to catch bullets in mid-air, disassemble the gun that fired them, and lay them out neatly on a table before Klaue could even react. Thor was literally a statue in Pietro-time.

Also, Thor telegraphs his lightning attacks really badly, so I think Pietro should easily be able to move out of the way. And it's not really in-character for Thor to summon a tornado. In fact, I'm fairly sure it's been retconned so that its no longer one of Thor's abilities anymore.

I see this as either a stalemate, or a victory for Pietro in the long-run. His punches can stagger Thor and I doubt he'll fall for the Mjolnir trick twice. And there's nothing stopping him from running off and bringing back heavy-duty weaponry capable of killing Thor.