MCU X-Men

[psylockolussus]

Its not complicated.

Acting like they existed since Iron Man is convoluted as the mutant species only mattered after twenty MCU movies, please... And then you expect them to suddenly appear everywhere.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Its complicated.

Acting like they existed since Iron Man is consulted as the mutant species only mattered after twenty MCU movies, please...

Its less complicated then universe hopping. Why you think that is an easier way to introduce the X-Men into the MCU is beyond me.

The end credit tag of Iron Man set up EVERY character in the Marvel universe simply and effortlessly by having Nick Fury tell Tony Stark "You think you're the only superhero in the world? You are part of a bigger universe. You. Just. Don't know it yet." That is the only justification needed for why we haven't seen mutants yet. Anything else is overthinking it.

 

[psylockolussus]

Convenient story telling is what you want. Its not about which is easier.

Loki, Ultron and Thanos wrecked the Earth and Professor X and the rest of the mutant population didn't play a single role... Sure. Maybe they just manifested their powers after phase three. That's easier...

 

[Relugus]

Of course it wouldn't be exciting to see. That's some of what we've had though in the MCU. I want a bit more variety.

Dr Strange had a cape. I want Wanda to wear one. And Magneto definitely needs one. Olsen was told by Joss Whedon she wouldn't ever have to wear anything like her Scarlet Witch costume. At least she could've had a cape. Her current costume is too much like Jean Grey's Phoenix costume in the Last Stand.

And the X-Men need individual costumes that are colourful. If they're anything like the SHIELD jumpsuits, that's just like the Singer leather jumpsuits but in a different colour and different material.

Capes are kind of an alpha male thing. They don't suit females, especially a beta female like Wanda, who does not flaunt power or seek to dominate.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Convenient story telling is what you want. Its not about which is easier.

Loki, Ultron and Thanos wrecked the Earth and Professor X and the rest of the mutant population didn't play a single role... Sure. Maybe they just manifested their powers after phase three. That's easier...

You know why we didn't see any mutants during the Avengers movies? Because Marvel Studios didn't have the movie rights to mutants when they made those Avengers movies. That is the only explanation I really need.

I don't want the X-Men in their own separate universe anymore. Why would I want that when I can have them in the MCU?

 

[DACrowe]

As long as you still tied his origin to real world prejudges and a recognizable real world hate crime (that someone of a different religion or a different ethnicity could be the victim of) what would be wrong with simplifying it?

Modernizing it is one thing. However, one of the suggestions was no explanation for his motivations and the other was a general act of racism. I think it should be connected to something from reality, because that is the only way it has impact. I agree it cannot be the Holocaust if they reboot. But if that is the case, they'd probably have to think of something with direct real world implications that make people uncomfortable. I don't think it should be vague. Some suggestions like making him be from Afghanistan or something that stirs a reaction for people is necessary. Otherwise, a large part of the complexity of the character is lost. As is the irony of a victim of genocide increasingly becoming intolerant or bigoted as time passes.

 

[psylockolussus]

@Andrewgil, If you didn't see difference with what I suggested and Foxverse which had no intention to crossover to MCU, then okay. You clearly didn't get it.

Let's just say in the actual movies, that mutants only started appearing because Marvel got the rights. What in the Deadpool breaking the fourth wall would that be?

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Capes are kind of an alpha male thing. They don't suit females, especially a beta female like Wanda, who does not flaunt power or seek to dominate.

Wanda beta?

 

[AndrewGilkison]

@Andrewgil, If you didn't see difference with what I suggested and Foxverse which had no intention to crossover to MCU, then okay. You clearly didn't get it.

Let's just say in the actual movies, that mutants only started appearing because Marvel got the rights. What in the Deadpool breaking the fourth wall would that be?

I was not seriously suggesting that "we didn't have the rights yet" be the official in universe explanation (but that would be a hilarious Deadpool line in a movie though).

Modernizing it is one thing. However, one of the suggestions was no explanation for his motivations and the other was a general act of racism. I think it should be connected to something from reality, because that is the only way it has impact. I agree it cannot be the Holocaust if they reboot. But if that is the case, they'd probably have to think of something with direct real world implications that make people uncomfortable. I don't think it should be vague. Some suggestions like making him be from Afghanistan or something that stirs a reaction for people is necessary. Otherwise, a large part of the complexity of the character is lost. As is the irony of a victim of genocide increasingly becoming intolerant or bigoted as time passes.

I don't see why Magneto's origin has to be tied to a historical event like the Holocaust in order for him to be an interesting complex figure. It was a great move to make on Chris Claremont's part at the time (because it changed the character from being the mutant Dr. Doom to being the Malcolm X to Xavier's MLK type of approach to being a mutant), but its vertically impossible to keep over the long haul with every new retelling of the X-Men, without finding a way to de-age him or make him immortal. At some point its gonna have to be updated.

I think the essential aspect of Magneto's origin that cannot change is that people he loved were killed because they were different, thereby giving him justification for believing that mutants and humans can never coexist peacefully.

 

[Dasher10]

This article is win https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/14/16776452/disney-princesses-alien-queen

 

[Devarika Woulf]

I think you guys are making this way, WAY more complicated than it needs to be. If I'm Kevin Feige, and I'm introducing the X-Men for the first time in an established universe, then this is what I'd do:

First, I'd look at the original comics. The Fantastic Four came first, followed by the Avengers (individually and together), then Spider-Man, and last, the X-Men; which was 2 years later. Mutants didn't exist up until the first X-Men issue and before that, there were many, many other comics. Thus, in the MCU, Mutants will not exist until the first X-Men movie; no matter the films that came before. It's very simple and no arguments necessary. The Mutant gene itself will be explained in the film; again, no arguments necessary. Any problems with the Inhumans existing is negligible as they were regulated to TV, don't have any connections to the MCU, and have been cancelled. People are already forgetting about it....

The first X-Men comic focused on 5 teenage students of Prof. X's school fighting Magneto; it was simple. The 5: Cyclops, Marvel Girl, Beast, Iceman, and Angel all have huge potential to become very popular with children and adults; alike. They can become HUGE toy sellers. Cyclops and Iceman, in particular, have very cool powers and would be a massive hit with kids. Race and sexual orientations are up for debate, but don't get your hopes up.

I'd start with those 5, and expand from there. You don't need to move so quick here. The X-Men have a humongous roster, so why waste them all in one go? You need the first film to be a hit, so start off small. There is potential for 15 or more years of interconnected films, so it's best to save many of the members for sequels. Many of you want this to be the cartoon brought to life. That will be cool, but we should wait for it. Marvel wants the audience to always be craving more; we know we'll get it eventually.

Any talks of the Fox films needs to die because there is no way in Hell that Marvel is keeping this universe. It makes no sense in terms of MCU narrative, and even less so from a box office perspective as the FoXmen are a sinking ship. Apocalypse sucked, and it's cast sucked too. They're not strong enough to headline a MCU movie, so out they go. Throw in the stink of the Bryan Singer lawsuit, and it's over. The end. Kaput.

 

[Devarika Woulf]

As for the tone of their first MCU film, stare at these pictures while listening to this song. Simply imagine it, and you will see a fantastic film and huge money maker. Just the thought of it drives me crazy! t:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lczhcaqDLmk

 

[CaptainWagner]

It'd be a shame if Iceman took first gay character away from Northstar. He's the first gay marvel superhero. I always wanted him to get recognized first. And with lost of Quicksilver he could be the new speedster of MCU.

I get that, and Northstar would be fun to have. But realistically, Iceman is going to get picked before Northstar, although getting a new speedster would help. Bobby simply adds more to than franchise. I would love to see Alpha Flight get love some day, though.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Its less complicated then universe hopping. Why you think that is an easier way to introduce the X-Men into the MCU is beyond me.

The end credit tag of Iron Man set up EVERY character in the Marvel universe simply and effortlessly by having Nick Fury tell Tony Stark "You think you're the only superhero in the world? You are part of a bigger universe. You. Just. Don't know it yet." That is the only justification needed for why we haven't seen mutants yet. Anything else is overthinking it.

Fans always gotta make things more complicated than they have to be.

 

[Iceman]

This article is win https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/14/16776452/disney-princesses-alien-queen

If you have a dress and are friends with an animal you are a princess.

 

[FVD]

If they do introduce the O5 first, should Juggernaut be the first villain? After all, his history with Xavier would fit too. And even though it's nothing more than a YouTube phenomenon, should Cain utter "I'm the Juggernaut, b*tch" just as a homage?! I know somebody brought it up before but yeah, I'm torn on that one, lol.

 

[chaseter]

Were you fine with Iron Man's updated origin?

Terrorists capture him?

 

[TheVileOne]

This article is win https://www.polygon.com/2017/12/14/16776452/disney-princesses-alien-queen

Polygon is publishing parody articles now?

 

[Mad Ones]

Terrorists capture him?

way to stubbornly avoid the point lol

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

I get that, and Northstar would be fun to have. But realistically, Iceman is going to get picked before Northstar,

Iceman definitely gets MCU debut before Northstar. But I highly doubt Feige is gonna have a gay X-MAN we haven't seen a gay person yet except the boy from Spider-Man

 

[Inhuman117]

I wonder which Mutant will be the First they introduce into the MCU , Xavier , Magneto , Wolverine ?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

As for the tone of their first MCU film, stare at these pictures while listening to this song. Simply imagine it, and you will see a fantastic film and huge money maker. Just the thought of it drives me crazy! t:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lczhcaqDLmk

god the early 90's were the best time

 

[Albright]

god the early 90's were the best time

Could someone explain to me, why this look is so awesome and heavily missed in the movies other then just being nostalgic? They look like a bunch bankrobbers. I can see the iconic look of Wolverine with the long sharp cheeks and would love to see it inthe MCU...but the other just look ridiculous to me.
I need to explain, that I've never read the comics (nor any other Marvel or DC Comics).

 

[Dark Raven]

Could someone explain to me, why this look is so awesome and heavily missed in the movies other then just being nostalgic? They look like a bunch bankrobbers. I can see the iconic look of Wolverine with the long sharp cheeks...but the other just look ridiculous to me.
I need to explain, that I've never read the comics (nor any other Marvel or DC Comics).

It is mostly nostalgia depending on when people grew up. The animated series was on at the time and there was a lot of merchandise, so people saw those looks everywhere. And Jim Lee was sticking pouches and jackets on everyone. Even Kangaroos had extra pouches.

The bronze age Uncanny X-Men/ Giant Size X-Men line up and costumes is the more iconic to me, and I'm sure to many others.

 

[First Avenger]

Who would you guys like to tackle MCU's X-Men? I'd task the Duffer Brothers.