MCU X-Men

[TheVileOne]

IMHO it makes no sense to start with the 1960s X-Men for this type of film. Audiences are going to want to see their favorite or most desired characters.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Again... I thought the party line was Marvel can make hits out of any characters? If they can turn GOTG into a hit then what could they do with the original 5?

 

[Marvel united]

IMHO it makes no sense to start with the 1960s X-Men for this type of film. Audiences are going to want to see their favorite or most desired characters.

That argument was blown out of the window when Doctor Strange, Thor, Ant-Man, Captain America and The Guardians of the GALAXY became huge hits. None of them were considered "Fan favorites" by the GA. The character doesn't need to be an A-Lister like Wolverine to be huge

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Why would Marvel want to make an X-Men movie starring the original five? They are not going to sit on characters like Wolverine and Storm, etc. That ain't going to happen.

Marvel has nothing to gain by doing an Original Five movie. X-Men is not an obscure property like Guardians or Ant-Man or Dr. Strange. Its as well known as Spider-Man and The Hulk, and when the general public thinks X-Men they think Wolverine, Storm, Gambit, Rogue, Deadpool, etc. If Marvel made a movie starring the Original Five there would be nothing but complaints from fans of the previous movies and animated series, and complaints from SJW's about how the lineup is all white people. It wouldn't be worth it.

I think my idea works because it allows the original five to have their place in history as the originals, and a seamless way to bring them in later and be relevant (because they are the original X-Men). You don't need a movie starring them as long as you respect their place in history.

 

[Inhuman117]

i give a damn about the characters we will seen first , i want just a prober introduction from the Mutants into the MCU and not just hey here we are we Mutants , and where you from , out of nowhere , that would be just stupid

 

[Best]

I was thinking they could make the first movie showing that they existed this whole time, interacting with other MCU heroes over the years and out in the public but then they were wiped from existence/memory somehow. But I'm not sure audiences will want to deal with time alteration (especially with the X-Men) again.

 

[Iceman]

I'd like at least a large wall photo somewhere in the mansion that they could show for a few seconds featuring the 5 and showing that they were the original students.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I think Marvel could make an X-Men film that includes the original five, as well as Wolverine and Storm. Just because Bryan Singer couldn’t make a balanced film that gave ample time to each of the core characters doesn’t mean Marvel can’t. Storm in particular has routinely gotten the shaft, going from a bland character (Berry) to a character who starts out being A-OK with Apocalypse committing GENOCIDE against her own people (Shipp). They need to really try and get her character right and a reboot is the place to do it. And it can be done if they just don’t center the whole movie on Wolverine.

 

[CaptainCommando]

I think the biggest things are the logistics of characters being hated and feared for having special abilities and in the same universe having people with special abilities praised and highly regarded.

Yes they need to have a distinction and answer at least this question in their MCU debut.

 

[Zarex]

Again... I thought the party line was Marvel can make hits out of any characters? If they can turn GOTG into a hit then what could they do with the original 5?

An original 5 film could be successful, but it would be like going with the 70s era Guardians lineup for your first GOTG film. it was nice seeing Charlie 27, Stakar and Aleta onscreen together in the sequel, but the Abnett/Lanning team used by Gunn was a much more interesting lineup. The same applies to The International Team introduced in Wein and Cockrum's Giant Sized X-men #1. Sticking with the original 5 for the team's MCU debut because that's how it was done in the (cancelled) comic wouldn't be a wise move imo.

 

[Boom]

Angel
Beast
Cyclops
Iceman
Jean Grey
Professor X
Rogue
Storm
Wolverine

I could roll with that lineup.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

An original 5 film could be successful, but it would be like going with the 70s era Guardians lineup for your first GOTG film.

Good analogy

 

[DrCosmic]

I think its ultimately for the best if the original team's adventures took place in the past. I liked the approach that the Ant-Man movie took with Hank Pym. I think the original five needs to be approached in a similar way, where their original adventures are inferred and we don't know all the details. Its more fun to imagine those adventures ourselves, and get little hints of things that happened in the past, rather than seeing everything in a linear fashion. It feels more "lived in" and richer that way. It makes the world feel "bigger".

I also don't think its practical to have an X-Men movie that stars the original team. Not a diverse enough of a lineup in today's market place, characters like Wolverine and Storm are more popular with the general audience, etc. So its just best to have them be past X-Men, and come into the story after their run.

I see what you're saying about the appeal of the international team, that's nothing to sneeze at. What I think sometimes people overlook is why Hank Pym works so well a specter of the past. His adventures are 1) fundamentally unimportant, and that is a theme of the film, so there is no conflict between the meaning of those missions and his adventures are 2) unavoidably secret. He's tiny, of course no one's heard of him. The fact that they are placed in a cold war pre-surveillance era only adds to the pre-emptive answering of "so why hasn't anyone heard of/commented on them?" The X-Men don't have that, and so if we're using Ant-Man as a reference, then we also infer that those missions are unimportant, both by how they are discussed, how they figure into the film and the simple fact that we are not showing them. That's the difference between 'lived in' and 'in medias res', I think.

If Marvel made a movie starring the Original Five there would be nothing but complaints from fans of the previous movies and animated series, and complaints from SJW's about how the lineup is all white people.

That assumes they would keep the O5 all white, which is not necessarily a given.

I think my idea works because it allows the original five to have their place in history as the originals, and a seamless way to bring them in later and be relevant (because they are the original X-Men). You don't need a movie starring them as long as you respect their place in history.

I think your ideas overestimates the respect a movie can give to something it never shows. They can be the original X-Men, but if it's not shown, it's just not important or worthy of respect. It's just backstory. Only what they are seen doing matters. It's the same reason that Cyclops, Jean and Storm aren't considered nearly as important as Wolverine in X1, even though he's the newbie, their backstory doesn't give them power with the audience.

I'd like at least a large wall photo somewhere in the mansion that they could show for a few seconds featuring the 5 and showing that they were the original students.

This would be an interesting compromise. The O5 are the original students, but not necessarily the original X-Men.

An original 5 film could be successful, but it would be like going with the 70s era Guardians lineup for your first GOTG film. it was nice seeing Charlie 27, Stakar and Aleta onscreen together in the sequel, but the Abnett/Lanning team used by Gunn was a much more interesting lineup. The same applies to The International Team introduced in Wein and Cockrum's Giant Sized X-men #1. Sticking with the original 5 for the team's MCU debut because that's how it was done in the (cancelled) comic wouldn't be a wise move imo.

This is a great comparison, and I think a better fit than Ant-Man who is a no-longer-active legacy hero. If they did go with the O5, they would have to address the things that got the O5 cancelled, essentially capturing Giant Size X-Men with the O5. That sounds super interesting to me, but for others it might leave a frustration "Why make Beast hispanic? Just use Darwin!" "Why is Darwin part of the O5 instead of Beast?" where no one is happy.

I think GotG handled the idea of a previous team cleverly. They weren't relevant to the GotG, and weren't even called the GotG, they were a forgotten precursor that became relevant as their new roles and extant culture intersected with the audience's team, who is the only Guardians of the Galaxy, from the perspective of the film. Their past adventures were not, and are not important or worth mentioning, because they do not intersect with the plot of the film, but their future adventures may be, because they are now motivated by things that have been shown to the audience. That would be an interesting way to do the O5 without trying to convince the audience that movie-worthy things happened when they, implicitly, have not.

 

[CaptainWagner]

That argument was blown out of the window when Doctor Strange, Thor, Ant-Man, Captain America and The Guardians of the GALAXY became huge hits. None of them were considered "Fan favorites" by the GA. The character doesn't need to be an A-Lister like Wolverine to be huge

So then who qualifies as "fan-favorites" in your mind? All of those except Ant-Man and GOTG are A-Listers, and even then with Guardians and Scott they used the current heroes instead of old concepts that haven't been relevant in decades.

An original 5 film could be successful, but it would be like going with the 70s era Guardians lineup for your first GOTG film. it was nice seeing Charlie 27, Stakar and Aleta onscreen together in the sequel, but the Abnett/Lanning team used by Gunn was a much more interesting lineup. The same applies to The International Team introduced in Wein and Cockrum's Giant Sized X-men #1. Sticking with the original 5 for the team's MCU debut because that's how it was done in the (cancelled) comic wouldn't be a wise move imo.

^^^ This. The O5 simply aren't that popular, and what they are popular for is all things that happened well after they were students. People want Scott and Jean as leaders, Beast blue and furry, No one cared about Warren until he became Archangel and Iceman was largely sidelined until he was retconned out of the closet. Even without the diversity problem, seeing the O5 as students is just not something a lot of fans want, and is honestly a super-weak lineup.

 

[thegameq]

My idea is pretty direct: The movie is would be about the revealing of mutants to the world. They've always existed, S.H.I.E.L.D. knew about them and so have the government heads like the president and such.

Mister Sinister is the villain. He wants to ignite the conflict between mutants and humans, so he releases a virus upon the world that effects mutants, which sets off their powers, exposing them against their will.

This leads to Charles Xavier who has been trying to nurture a peaceful transition for years for mutants to be embraced by society, to have to fight against the situation and prevent the exposure of his people, which brings him to blows with...

Magneto, a once former ally, who became embittered at society and sought to protect his people by any means necessary as he saw fit. He's committed many mutant crimes in secret over the years, like jailbreaks and attacks that could be against the interests of mutants in the future. The forced exposure brings him out of hiding to defend his people. In his mind, there's no backtracking from this, like Xavier wants, and with mutants exposed now, playing with kid gloves is no longer an option.

This is really Cyclops' movie in regards to how we follow the center story. He has to be a leader in a way he never has been before. The X-Men have always trained for exposure, but he's never had to do anything but go up against Magneto's c-list villains that he's thrown at them while they've worked in secret to stop him. This all hits home when he discovers his personal connection to Sinister.

Wolverine is either saved for a post credits scene or is minor character.

I like this, but it seems to place the spotlight on Charles and Eric again, which I don't want.

 

[Marvel united]

Why would Marvel want to make an X-Men movie starring the original five? They are not going to sit on characters like Wolverine and Storm, etc. That ain't going to happen.

Marvel has nothing to gain by doing an Original Five movie. X-Men is not an obscure property like Guardians or Ant-Man or Dr. Strange. Its as well known as Spider-Man and The Hulk, and when the general public thinks X-Men they think Wolverine, Storm, Gambit, Rogue, Deadpool, etc. If Marvel made a movie starring the Original Five there would be nothing but complaints from fans of the previous movies and animated series, and complaints from SJW's about how the lineup is all white people. It wouldn't be worth it.

I think my idea works because it allows the original five to have their place in history as the originals, and a seamless way to bring them in later and be relevant (because they are the original X-Men). You don't need a movie starring them as long as you respect their place in history.

I don't want Cyclops in the background again (Singer has ruined that character for the GA) or Angel and Iceman for that matter. I would prefer Scott get a huge amount of focus this time around instead of being the "tired mentor" that Pym was in Ant-Man training young X-Men. There's nothing wrong with doing something fresh (Uncanny would be fresh) This is bringing me back to 2015 when people kept swearing up and down that Harry, MJ, Gwen, Jameson and Norman Osborn would be in Spider-Man: Homecoming because of how iconic they were. What they ended up doing was going in a completely different direction. Marvel has demonstrated time and time again, that your characters don't NEED to be recognizable to be marketable. I can see several reasons why Wolverine, Rouge, Colossus, Nightcrawler etc wouldn't be in the first installment. They don't need to have 9 members in the very first film like the Giant Size run. We'd have to get some ridiculous exposition dump about the X-Men having existed for 30 years already in the MCU "Oh, Mutants have always been around, the X-Men worked in the shadows and did missions government since the 80s" Show us, don't tell us. Go back to the beginning instead of rushing things. Nothing wrong with going the Homecoming route or any of the non Ant-Man origin stories the MCU has done



And the O5 don't HAVE to be all-white and I could see them adding Storm to the roster from the get-go (Making it The O6) and making her an original member to cement the character as hugely important

 

[Marvel united]

So then who qualifies as "fan-favorites" in your mind? All of those except Ant-Man and GOTG are A-Listers

At the time, Spider-Man, Batman, Superman and Wolverine were. Iron Man. Cap, Thor and Strange weren't A-Listers to the GA before their respective films came out. They were by all definitions, unknown to anyone who wasn't a comic fan. Maybe not to the extent GOTG were but they weren't recognizable and iconic like Spider-Man was.

And even then with Guardians and Scott they used the current heroes instead of old concepts that haven't been relevant in decades.

But with everybody else, they want back to the beginning to properly show how these characters came to be what they were in the comics. (And the reason why they went with Lang as opposed to Pym is because Marvel felt like his story would be more accessible to the GA and reasonate with more people, that's a problem the O5 wouldn't have considering their film would be a coming of age of sorts) Peter is an awkward 15 year old High-school student, Steve was a little guy wanting to make a difference, Stark was a cocky, oblivious playboy before he was captured by Terrorists, T'Challa having to become king of Wakanda because of his father's death, Strange was a selfish, egotistical surgen, Thor needed to learn humility and compassion, and even in the aforementioned GOTG they showed the BEGINNING of how they came to be the GOTG; how the team came together. And we're saying the X-Men should have all 10 members on the roster from the one everybody knows because that's what's recognizable to the GA even though Marvel have proved this doesn't matter at all if they successful sell people on the new direction which they have 6 times now?

 

[Iceman]

The originals plus Storm and 1 or 2 others with exotic powers would be fine.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I'm not down with the O5 at all...Angel and Iceman are pretty boring characters. Sorry Iceman^^

The animated lineup is the best.

Professor X
Wolverine
Cyclops
Jean Grey
Storm
Gambit
Rogue
Beast

Leave Jubilee out, maybe throw Kitty Pryde in there instead

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I see what you're saying about the appeal of the international team, that's nothing to sneeze at. What I think sometimes people overlook is why Hank Pym works so well a specter of the past. His adventures are 1) fundamentally unimportant, and that is a theme of the film, so there is no conflict between the meaning of those missions and his adventures are 2) unavoidably secret. He's tiny, of course no one's heard of him. The fact that they are placed in a cold war pre-surveillance era only adds to the pre-emptive answering of "so why hasn't anyone heard of/commented on them?" The X-Men don't have that, and so if we're using Ant-Man as a reference, then we also infer that those missions are unimportant, both by how they are discussed, how they figure into the film and the simple fact that we are not showing them. That's the difference between 'lived in' and 'in medias res', I think.

In my conception of the MCU X-Men, the original team's missions were a secret because Xavier wanted it that way. He wanted the existence of mutants kept secret. That is why he created the original team in the first place (as a secret task force to stop dangerous mutants and keep their existence a secret). Even discounting how powerful Xavier is as a telepath, if he has the money and technology to create Cerebro and the Danger Room, I am pretty sure he can pull off keeping mutants under the radar for as long as possible (but not forever, which would be what my first MCU X-Men movie would be about).

That assumes they would keep the O5 all white, which is not necessarily a given.

And then Marvel would have to deal with people complaining about them getting race swapped.

Again, what does Marvel have to gain by doing an Original Five movie? Seems like a no win prospect to me. A lot of different people would be complaining about it for a lot of different reasons and only the smallest section of comic book fans would be excited about it. So what would be the point?

More importantly, why do they need to do it when they can just say their adventures took place in the past, and bring them in later in future movies?

I think your ideas overestimates the respect a movie can give to something it never shows. They can be the original X-Men, but if it's not shown, it's just not important or worthy of respect. It's just backstory. Only what they are seen doing matters. It's the same reason that Cyclops, Jean and Storm aren't considered nearly as important as Wolverine in X1, even though he's the newbie, their backstory doesn't give them power with the audience.

Why does it need to be more than pre-movie backstory to start with? Having an original X-Men team in the past gives you an easy way to introduce Beast, Angel and Iceman into future movies without a ton of set up. Its more economical from a storytelling prospective.

Past history and backstory is an important part of world building. Would Star Wars have ever become as popular as it did if George Lucas started it with the prequels? Did Obi Wan's past adventures not "feel important" by not showing them to us right away?

The reason Wolverine was more important than everyone in the first X-Men movie because he got the most screen time and the most development in the final edit. Storm and Cyclops had all their best scenes cut from the movie. And the movie was only 90 minutes long.

In my conception of this, the first MCU X-Men movie would be as good at balancing all the main characters as the Avengers and Guardians movies were, and wouldn't repeat the mistakes the earlier X-Men movies made. Wolverine would be presented as no more or less important than Cyclops or Storm or Jean. It would be much more of an ensemble than the 2000 movie was.

 

[Iceman]

I'm not down with the O5 at all...Angel and Iceman are pretty boring characters. Sorry Iceman^^

The animated lineup is the best.

Professor X
Wolverine
Cyclops
Jean Grey
Storm
Gambit
Rogue
Beast

Leave Jubilee out, maybe throw Kitty Pryde in there instead

Imagine how good MCU Iceman’s powers could look, staying in iced up form for good parts of the film and ice sliding all over the place with other characters using his slide and all kinds of offensive ice attacks.

I get some find him a bit boring but every team needs an Everyman through which to learn about the team. That said, I would definitely support your lineup above! I’m more a comics than Animated Series guy but it would be a great nod for them to go with that.

 

[Marvel united]

Bobby is anything but a boring character.

 

[CaptainCommando]

Opposite to most of the members here, my comic book knowledge, the X-Men for this instance is limited to the Uncanny cartoons of my childhood and the video game franchises so does my attachment to the material.

Though I would welcome any changes to that lineup, I still want to see a faithful translation (costumes, personalities etc..) of the ones I grew up with which I have yet to see from the ones we've seen so far.

I want a great Cyclops for once as well as Gambit and Rogue. Bishop as well cause the DoFP one sucked for me. Cable we'll see... hopefully he turns out great.

 

[Iceman]

students[/I], but not necessarily the original X-Men.

Yeah, and it would make sense as students with little control of their powers that they would stay secret. So the film can be the first outing of the X-Men team by when they have some new recruits.

 

[Iceman]

Bobby is anything but a boring character.

Not boring to me of course

Opposite to most of the members here, my comic book knowledge, the X-Men for this instance is limited to the Uncanny cartoons of my childhood and the video game franchises so does my attachment to the material.

Though I would welcome any changes to that lineup, I still want to see a faithful translation (costumes, personalities etc..) of the ones I grew up with which I have yet to see from the ones we've seen so far.

I want a great Cyclops for once as well as Gambit and Rogue. Bishop as well cause the DoFP one sucked for me. Cable we'll see... hopefully he turns out great.

Pretty much everyone of us wants a great Cyclops to lead the team. I really want Storm also to start establishing herself as co-leader for the future. And we can have the first suggestions of having 2 squads for when the numbers get too large.