MCU X-Men

[Mangle77]

Yeah, clearly you're not an expert, but you're either ignorant or a troll. I'm leaning towards troll since your brought up that conversion bs. Take your identity politics ranting elsewhere please.

"A free society is one where it is safe to be unpopular." I'm not going anywhere. Bobby Drake had been a heterosexual since 1963. Bendis CHANGED him. Those are facts. Incoming rant:

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As a side note, the whole thing would have made more sense if it had been Emma; trolling Bobby is one of her favorite pastimes. Also, it was revealed that the teen versions of the O5 aren't even from the same timeline, so there's no reason for adult Bobby to have the same orientation as teen Bobby. Which COULD have made for a more interesting dynamic between the two. But why would we want that? Let's just make a spectacle how "diverse" Marvel is! Or they could have given Northstar his own book. If they were really brave, they would make Wolverine gay, or Cyclops. Or Angel, that would have made a little more sense, and would require more bravery; while Warren has never been as much of a lady's man as Bobby, making a gay Angel would piss off conservatives SO much. This whole thing is just a virtue signaling, SJW publicity stunt. I won't be shocked to see the last 10-15 years of X-Men get retconed now that Axle Alonso is gone.

 

[Iceman]

I think one of the more challenging things about the X-Men Universe is that they mainly have always been part of team movies. They do not have the advantage of each X-Men member having their own movie like most of the avengers. Guardians of the Galaxy is a good comparison since none of the Guardian members had their own movie before their first or second movie. Also it get harder when the X-Men members have many fan favorites and given that X-Men is mainly a team movie then it gets hard for everyone to get a chance to be developed equally. I honestly wouldn't mind if Marvel takes the comic approach and created 2 teams of X-Men each with their own movie. That way more characters have a chance to be developed.

I'm totally up for 2 teams that eventually crossover, with Storm as leader of the 2nd team. Yeah, with X-Men, solos for many of the characters aren't as straightforward as much of what would be their supporting cast would naturally feature other X-Men.

 

[Mangle77]

Ok, that's the last bit of ranting I'll be doing in this thread. From here on in, I promise I'll only talk about what I want/expect to see from Marvel's X-Men.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

With a franchise as big as X-Men its not really possible to give everyone equal screen time or make everyone equally "important". That is not possible with any superhero team, let alone something as dense as X-Men.

I think the Avengers and Guardians movies are the best superhero team movies we've ever gotten in live action. I would be pleased as punch if we got an X-Men movie that balanced its ensemble as well as the Guardians movies or that first Avengers movie (even if you discount the solo setups and looked at that movie on its own terms, it still does a great job balancing that cast in the movie itself).

 

[Chris B]

I don't really see the point of starting off with the original 5 for the X-Men's MCU debut for any reason besides strict fidelity to the comics. While that line-up is cool in a sort of old-fashioned kind of way, I do think that it simply isn't as dynamic as the line-ups in say Giant-Size or the 90's cartoon. And on a related-note, I've never really been crazy about the X-Men being teens, despite ironically enjoying the Evolution cartoon back in the day. Most of them being in their 20's seems ideal to me.

I really like the idea though of saying that the original five were an actual team in the recent past of the MCU before disbanding for whatever reason. That seems like a good compromise to me of honoring that aspect of the mythology while still doing a line-up that includes the likes of Storm, Wolverine, etc.

 

[Dark Raven]

With a franchise as big as X-Men its not really possible to give everyone equal screen time or make everyone equally "important". That is not possible with any superhero team, let alone something as dense as X-Men.

I think the Avengers and Guardians movies are the best superhero team movies we've ever gotten in live action. I would be pleased as punch if we got an X-Men movie that balanced its ensemble as well as the Guardians movies or that first Avengers movie (even if you discount the solo setups and looked at that movie on its own terms, it still does a great job balancing that cast in the movie itself).

The thing about the Avengers (less so with GOTG) is that they feature in other movies too, so we get to see them when they're not all assembled together as a team. That allows them to develop more individually, even if not in a massive way.

They need to have some X-Men show up in non-X-Men movies where they'll have the chance to shine and we can get to know them more as individuals.

 

[Iceman]

The thing about the Avengers (less so with GOTG) is that they feature in other movies too, so we get to see them when they're not all assembled together as a team. That allows them to develop more individually, even if not in a massive way.

They need to have some X-Men show up in non-X-Men movies where they'll have the chance to shine and we can get to know them more as individuals.

They really have to do this. There are so many X-Men that it can enhance other films without being a burden and really giving the MCU an even bigger scope. I also hope we see this with the F4 members.

 

[Dark Raven]

They really have to do this. There are so many X-Men that it can enhance other films without being a burden and really giving the MCU an even bigger scope. I also hope we see this with the F4 members.

If they did Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, then even if Iceman only showed up for a small cameo in an X-Men movie, it would be like an encore performance that people could cheer for because they already liked him in SMahAF. He wouldn't even need that much screen time in the team movie. It could almost be a Wonder Woman type moment from BvS if he just appeared for a brief moment for a final battle.

Colossus had more development in Deadpool and was more of a character than in any of the Singer films. He didn't even feature that much, but what he did have made him more interesting and likeable.

 

[Marvel united]

Bobby could show up at Peter's school, Kitty too.

 

[Dark Raven]

Bobby could show up at Peter's school, Kitty too.

Kitty could appear in any phase Marvel wanted.

 

[psylockolussus]

I honestly wouldn't mind if Marvel takes the comic approach and created 2 teams of X-Men each team with their own movie. That way more characters have a chance to be developed.

Something Fox couldn't do in 18 years.

Give X-Men Blue in the first film then X-Men Gold in the second film. Each film consisting of 6 to 8 X-Men.

 

[Iceman]

If they did Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, then even if Iceman only showed up for a small cameo in an X-Men movie, it would be like an encore performance that people could cheer for because they already liked him in SMahAF. He wouldn't even need that much screen time in the team movie. It could almost be a Wonder Woman type moment from BvS if he just appeared for a brief moment for a final battle.

Colossus had more development in Deadpool and was more of a character than in any of the Singer films. He didn't even feature that much, but what he did have made him more interesting and likeable.

Exactly. If these guys can have decent opportunities like this outside of dedicated X-Team films, the encore thing you talk about would mean they can contribute to the team film with very little screen time. They wouldn't be the focus and could be in the background till the team sequences where they join. You get to have a good amount of X-Men, with the focus going on those who need it for that film, and then others who can contribute and rouse the GA just by being included without needing too much.

 

[Iceman]

Something Fox couldn't do in 18 years.

Give X-Men Blue in the first film then X-Men Gold in the second film. Each film consisting of 6 to 8 X-Men.

Blue and Gold would be an absolute dream.

 

[Iceman]

Bobby could show up at Peter's school, Kitty too.

This high school could be getting very busy with Bobby and Johnny Storm showing up too. t:

 

[psylockolussus]

If they did Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, then even if Iceman only showed up for a small cameo in an X-Men movie, it would be like an encore performance that people could cheer for because they already liked him in SMahAF. He wouldn't even need that much screen time in the team movie. It could almost be a Wonder Woman type moment from BvS if he just appeared for a brief moment for a final battle.

Colossus had more development in Deadpool and was more of a character than in any of the Singer films. He didn't even feature that much, but what he did have made him more interesting and likeable.

I don't think they would do a Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends film, but from the looks of it they are already turning Spider-Man as Marvel buddies films.

As for the X-Men, its not impossible to cater to 16 X-Men, they could be split into two teams and be developed in a span of five X-Men movies. Feature Storm in a Black Panther film, she would take importance to lesser known Bp characters that won't likely appear outside of the bp films.

 

[Dark Raven]

Exactly. If these guys can have decent opportunities like this outside of dedicated X-Team films, the encore thing you talk about would mean they can contribute to the team film with very little screen time. They wouldn't be the focus and could be in the background till the team sequences where they join. You get to have a good amount of X-Men, with the focus going on those who need it for that film, and then others who can contribute and rouse the GA just by being included without needing too much.

This. The problem with all the X-Men films where there's a big end battle with tons of X-Men is that the general audience don't even know who half of them are. They're just random mutant characters who might be part of the comics or could just be invented for the movie for all they know. Their appearances are meaningless to all but the dedicated X-Men fan.

But if the general audience already recognise people like Iceman from SMahAF, then even if he just appears briefly in the background in an X-Men film, they'll know who he is and there will be a feeling of instant recognition that he was that guy they liked from the Spidey film. And it would be a cool moment for them.

There aren't cool moments like that at all for the general audience in any of the X-Men films, because they don't recognise anyone and it's just faceless mutant overload.

 

[Iceman]

If you have enough buildup you can do anything as IW and A4 are showing us. I'm sure many would have said that kind of thing with so many characters was impossible/stupid not even that long ago. But we've also been told for years that even something like the first Avengers would never work. It's all about execution.

 

[TheVileOne]

The idea of Iceman being gay never bothered me that much. But didn't Jean Grey basically out him without his consent? Isn't that a really big taboo that she committed? I recall all the controversy over Iceman's orientation, but what about how Jean Grey treated Iceman? IMHO it makes Jean Grey look like a horrible person. That always put me off.

Also, no to cramming X-Men into Avengers 4.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't think they would do a Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends film, but from the looks of it they are already turning Spider-Man as Marvel buddies films.

As for the X-Men, its not impossible to cater to 16 X-Men, they could be split into two teams and be developed in a span of five X-Men movies. Feature Storm in a Black Panther film, she would take importance to lesser known Bp characters that won't likely appear outside of the bp films.

I don't see why they couldn't do Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends. They already need the Spider-Man films to be more of a team up than previous ones from the Sony period in order to set them apart.

Spidey (and the Thing) are famously known for their team ups from the comics. Even if they didn't call it SMahAF, he can still team up with Iceman and Firestar, and it can be that in all but name.

And as I mentioned on a previous page, it would probably be one of the coolest visuals on film having Spidey swinging above the New York skyline alongside Firestar flying with her flame powers and Iceman riding his ice slide. There's been nothing like that on film before.

 

[Iceman]

This. The problem with all the X-Men films where there's a big end battle with tons of X-Men is that the general audience don't even know who half of them are. They're just random mutant characters who might be part of the comics or could just be invented for the movie for all they know. Their appearances are meaningless to all but the dedicated X-Men fan.

But if the general audience already recognise people like Iceman from SMahAF, then even if he just appears briefly in the background in an X-Men film, they'll know who he is and there will be a feeling of instant recognition that he was that guy they liked from the Spidey film. And it would be a cool moment for them.

There aren't cool moments like that at all for the general audience in any of the X-Men films, because they don't recognise anyone and it's just faceless mutant overload.

This is like getting the GA in on inside jokes so they have major Easter eggs and crossover moments of their own to watch out for as well as the more vague stuff for dedicated comics fans. That helps create a kind of audience interaction and I think leads to loyalty when you reward them for watching all the other MCU films. The possibilities for this will have exploded with 2 major teams and one with a huge roster being integrated into the MCU, plus major villains like Doom and persistent universe cosmic characters like Surfer who can appear in films for various characters. This would work much better for the GA's overall dedication to the MCU with all these characters usable in different situations rather than everyone from one team being team kept solely in films about that team.

 

[Marvel united]

This high school could be getting very busy with Bobby and Johnny Storm showing up too. t:

I remember Tom Holland a year ago taking about how he'd love the idea of Midtown becoming a place where a bunch of teen superheroes reside. Now, I can easily see this happening and being awesome with Johnny, Bobby, and other young mutants etc going to his school.

I'd even love the idea of Peter dating Kitty Prude for a bit like Ultimate. Ultimate Spider-Man was the only good (to GREAT at times) Ultimate series in my opinion.

 

[Iceman]

Also, no to cramming X-Men into Avengers 4.

I don't think most people want that. Avengers 4 already has its own route and should stay that way. This stuff is all about what should happen post Phase 3 and Avengers 4. Credit scenes don't hurt of course.

 

[Iceman]

I remember Tom Holland a year ago taking about how he'd love the idea of Midtown becoming a place where a bunch of teen superheroes reside. Now, I can easily see this happening and being awesome with Johnny, Bobby, and other young mutants etc going to his school.

I'd even love the idea of Peter dating Kitty Prude for a bit like Ultimate. Ultimate Spider-Man was the only good (to GREAT at times) Ultimate series in my opinion.

Oh he said that yeah? Sounds like an awesome idea. You also get to unite all of Marvel's returning properties in a way too.

 

[psylockolussus]

I don't see why they couldn't do Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends. They already need the Spider-Man films to be more of a team up than previous ones from the Sony period in order to set them apart.

Spidey (and the Thing) are famously known for their team ups from the comics. Even if they didn't call it SMahAF, he can still team up with Iceman and Firestar, and it can be that in all but name.

And as I mentioned on a previous page, it would probably be one of the coolest visuals on film having Spidey swinging above the New York skyline alongside Firestar flying with her flame powers and Iceman riding his ice slide. There's been nothing like that on film before.

Like I said, they are already turning Spider-Man into Marvel Buddies films since SH2 would feature another Avenger, so it's not entirely surprising if we get Ht and Ice.

But Iceman is first and foremost a X-Men character, and he should be more of a priority in a X-Men film than a Spider-Man film.

 

[Iceman]

I don't see why they couldn't do Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends. They already need the Spider-Man films to be more of a team up than previous ones from the Sony period in order to set them apart.

Spidey (and the Thing) are famously known for their team ups from the comics. Even if they didn't call it SMahAF, he can still team up with Iceman and Firestar, and it can be that in all but name.

And as I mentioned on a previous page, it would probably be one of the coolest visuals on film having Spidey swinging above the New York skyline alongside Firestar flying with her flame powers and Iceman riding his ice slide. There's been nothing like that on film before.

I don't mind what they call it but I need to see it! And I'm sure at least someone in Feige's camp will have mentioned the possibility by now, even it doesn't end up getting chosen as a project to go forward with.

The banter in a Spidey and Thing teamup would be awesome.