MCU: Your Thoughts About The Infinity Stones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[NHawk19]

At this point in the MCU, I'm guessing there are only 3 people who know about all the Infinity Stones and the gauntlet. Those 3 people are Thanos, the Collector, and Odin (who may or may not be dead).

I'd also venture to say that's why we've not seen the full power of the stones. It was pretty clear in GOTG that Star Lord didn't know what he had, and really neither did Ronan at first. The rest of the Avengers knew about the cube but even they didn't really know what it was or was capable of. As for the Aeither again Malekith only seemed to care about this one stone and he may have only known it would bring back the darkness he craved.

Loki was probably only told enough by Thanos' people to do what he needed on earth.
When it comes to his staff I do have a question. The staff generated a portal and spoke to "men's hearts" without being around the cube. So did the staff contain another stone like the Soul stone or was it simply something else from the MCU that we've overlooked? Or was it an extention of the cube like a blue tooth piece to my cell phone?

 

[The_Manhunter]

I just had a thought: nothing in Odin's vault can be an Infinity Stone, as the Tesseract is already there. So that means no Eye of Agametto (sp?), etc.

 

[Marvelocity]

I think the fact that scepter is being given prominence moving forward into future movies lends some credence to its being an Infinity Stone. The fact that it worked in tandem with the Tesseract likely only has to do with the fact that the Stones can function together, anyway. The only knock is that it is of a blue color, along with the Tesseract. I'd say that the Space Gem might not necessarily be blue, and the Tesseract is just a vessel for it that happens to be blue.

Not saying I'm right, but just throwing out food for thought.

I agree completely with you.

If the scepter is an extension of the Space Gem, then why does it have the power to control minds? What's the point of the Mind Gem now if we already have things that can control minds and see others' thoughts? The scepter is 100% the Mind Gem or we're dealing with some very poor writing/planning. Can't have it both ways.

 

[Chris B]

So how does everyone see the remaining three stones being introduced? I'd imagine the soul stone woud be a no-brainer for GOTG2 due to Adam Warlock. The mind stone seems appropriate for Dr. Strange. I guess that leaves the time stone for CA3?

 

[Mike Murdock]

I'm intrigued about the possibility of the time stone being in Cap3. It seems too high concept for any Captain America story not done by Jack Kirby, but it also creates intriguing possibilities since Steve Rogers is a man out of time connected to the past as well as the present.

The soul stone in GotG2 or in Dr. Strange could work. I kind of like the idea of the soul stone in Thor 3 if he wants to journey into the land of the dead to rescue his mother (although she's probably in Valhalla instead of Hel, so maybe that wouldn't work, plus everyone seems convinced the next movie will be in Muspelheim). Of course, we're going to debate whether the scepter is the mind stone to death until it is proven or disproven. I still see the argument either way. The only problem I have with the soul stone being in GotG2 is the possibility of the plot being too similar to the first film.

 

[The_Manhunter]

I really don't think Cap 3 needs another Infinity Stone. They covered that in the 1st movie and I don't think an Earth-bound hero like Cap needs one again, especially when he already has problems with Bucky and HYDRA. Plus it just seems to convenient for all these Stones to be popping up on Earth. Look at Iron Man, he didn't have any Stones in his movies. It would be better to put it in a Ms. Marvel or Inhumans movie, it would just make more sense IMO

All of this is IMO of course

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

Why would Thanos give Loki one of the infinity stones, knowing how conniving/untrustworthy he is, just to acquire another one (and risk losing BOTH of them)? That makes zero sense and it makes me doubt that the scepter has an infinity stone in it. Plus they flat-out say in the Avengers that the scepter is powered by part of the Tesseract's energy (and it was used to close the portal that the Tesseract opened).

Thanos didn't seem worried at all about Ronan taking the Power Stone. And he still didn't seem all that concerned when Gamora and Nebula turned on him and Ronan wielded the Power Stone himself.

Bottom line, Thanos is confident enough is his power to not give a crap who has the Stones, because he knows he can get them right back.

I'm not saying the scepter is the Mind Stone by any means. I'm just saying Thanos seems confident enough to let Loki take it. After all, as The Other said, "...there will be no realm, no barren moon, no crevice where he can not find you. You think you know pain? He will make you long for something as sweet as pain."

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

I really don't think Cap 3 needs another Infinity Stone. They covered that in the 1st movie and I don't think an Earth-bound hero like Cap needs one again, especially when he already has problems with Bucky and HYDRA. Plus it just seems to convenient for all these Stones to be popping up on Earth. Look at Iron Man, he didn't have any Stones in his movies. It would be better to put it in a Ms. Marvel or Inhumans movie, it would just make more sense IMO

All of this is IMO of course

I agree with this. CA3 and Ant Man don't need an Infinity Stone. They can double, or even triple-up in Guardians of the Galaxy 2 (Soul, Power and Reality), use one in Doctor Strange (Mind/Time), one in Thor 3 (Mind/Time) and finally have Thanos invade Asgard and retrieve the final Stone (Space/Tesseract) and the Gauntlet itself in the first act of Avengers 3.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

I agree completely with you.

If the scepter is an extension of the Space Gem, then why does it have the power to control minds? What's the point of the Mind Gem now if we already have things that can control minds and see others' thoughts? The scepter is 100% the Mind Gem or we're dealing with some very poor writing/planning. Can't have it both ways.

Not only that, but like Selvig said, it's like his mind learned everything about the universe. He saw more than knowledge. So there is that too.

Admittedly, I'm riding the fence on the scepter housing the Mind Stone. I really can't decide what I think and how I feel about it. I really don't care, as long as it makes sense and they put thought into it.

 

[Spooderman]

Thanos didn't seem worried at all about Ronan taking the Power Stone. And he still didn't seem all that concerned when Gamora and Nebula turned on him and Ronan wielded the Power Stone himself.

He seemed pretty pissed to me.

I agree completely with you.

If the scepter is an extension of the Space Gem, then why does it have the power to control minds? What's the point of the Mind Gem now if we already have things that can control minds and see others' thoughts? The scepter is 100% the Mind Gem or we're dealing with some very poor writing/planning. Can't have it both ways.

Loki actually has to touch people to affect them, and he touches their heart instead of their head. Presumable the Mind Gem would be a crapload more powerful, and give people Professor X level (or higher) mind powers, as well as telekinesis and other stuff.

 

[TheHeatKitchen]

He seemed pretty pissed to me.

Anger doesn't equal concern though.

 

[Loki882]

He wasn't concerned probably because he knew that he was powerful enough to kill Ronan even if Ronan was wielding the stone.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Why do people like the term stone better than gem?

 

[Loki882]

Because that's what they're being called in the films, the Infinity Stones. Also, they look more like stones than gems.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I really don't think Cap 3 needs another Infinity Stone. They covered that in the 1st movie and I don't think an Earth-bound hero like Cap needs one again, especially when he already has problems with Bucky and HYDRA. Plus it just seems to convenient for all these Stones to be popping up on Earth. Look at Iron Man, he didn't have any Stones in his movies. It would be better to put it in a Ms. Marvel or Inhumans movie, it would just make more sense IMO

All of this is IMO of course

First off, I agree that Cap3 is more likely to be about Bucky and HYDRA. I just said I'm intrigued by the possibility of the time stone for the good Captain. I could see him pulling it off in a way that's different from how both the Orb and the Aether has been seen.

Second, I tend to associate the Tesseract more with Avengers that Captain America - at least in its full cosmic scale (as opposed to the Asgardian McGuffin it seemed like at first). That's the only reason I don't find it as repetitive to have it in another Captain America movie. After all, it's extremely unlikely not to have something repeated. Dr. Strange can get one, but another one would almost have to be in a Guardians of the Galaxy or Thor sequel. Unless you subscribe to the May 2019 Avengers 3 date (as opposed to the more normal May 2018 date), there really aren't many good opportunities to squeeze another one in. I suppose it could just appear in Avengers 3, though. It doesn't need to be featured separately.

 

[Katsuro]

Why do people like the term stone better than gem?

Because this thread is about the Marvel Cinematic Universe, and that's what they're called.

 

[psylockolussus]

I like that they are calling it stones rather than gems.

 

[Jasyn]

2011 - CA:TFA = Tesseract = Space Stone (CONFIRMED)

2012 - AVENGERS = (Loki's Staff) = (Mind Stone; still under debate, but possible)

2013 - THOR 2:TDW = Aether = Reality Stone (CONFIRMED)

2014 - GOTG = Orb = Power Stone (CONFIRMED)

2015 - AVENGERS 2: AOU and ANT-MAN

2016 - expected to be CA3 & DR STRANGE (Mind Stone intro ??? - The Eye???)

2017 - THOR 3 & (TBA movie) expected & GOTG 2 confirmed = (TBA - Adam Warlock's Soul Gem) = (Soul Stone; anticipated)

2018 = AVENGERS 3 expected (INFINITY GAUNTLET)




We have 3 confirmed Stones, that were all found stored on different planets, so I think its safe to rule out finding a stone origin in ANT-MAN, a future BLACK PANTHER movie, or AOU, but I think we might make an exception to that and get one in DR STRANGE if Loki's Staff is not the MIND Stone (as the Eye will originate in another dimension). I also think its a safe bet that Adam Warlock and the SOUL Stone will be in GOTG2 (movie already confirmed for release in 2017). And that would just leave one more, the TIME Stone, which I think needs to be found in another part of the galaxy not yet explored, the Kree Empire. I believe this should come out in a movie property (separate or shared) that introduces Mar-Vell to Earth, gives us an origin of Carol Danvers as Captain Marvel, and returns the mother f*@#ing, teleported, Red Skull back to Earth in all his youthful evil prime to crap all over Steve Rogers' day in the "present".

 

[cherokeesam]

Thanos didn't seem worried at all about Ronan taking the Power Stone. And he still didn't seem all that concerned when Gamora and Nebula turned on him and Ronan wielded the Power Stone himself.

Bottom line, Thanos is confident enough is his power to not give a crap who has the Stones, because he knows he can get them right back.

I'm not saying the scepter is the Mind Stone by any means. I'm just saying Thanos seems confident enough to let Loki take it. After all, as The Other said, "...there will be no realm, no barren moon, no crevice where he can not find you. You think you know pain? He will make you long for something as sweet as pain."

That doesn't make any sense, though. If Thanos is so god-blasted powerful (which he is), then why bother with proxies to go fetch the Stones in the first place? He could/should just get them himself.

The only logical explanation I can see in all this convoluted multi-writer approach to the Stones --- and even *this* isn't all that logical --- is that Thanos is just playing games and deliberately manipulating proxies like Loki and Ronan to fail so that he can maneuver all six Stones into one place. Tivan's "Collection" would have been a logical place for the final pieces of the puzzle to be put together for Thanos to make his final move against, but even that's out the window now.

For the moment, you've got the Tesseract in Loki's hands in Asgard, the Aether in Tivan's Collection on Knowhere, and the Power Stone on Xandar with Nova Corps (? ...correct? Or does Quill still have it? I never quite caught that.) You can also argue that Von Strucker has the Mind Stone on Earth (but, like others here, I've gotta say that's inconsistent writing if they want to claim the Sceptre *is* the Mind Stone). You can also argue, with a little comic-book canon to back you up, that the Soul Stone is housed in The Collection, too, inside Adam Warlock (albeit without Tivan's knowledge). If that's the case, the only thing left to find is the Time Stone.

 

[metaphysician]

Could be that Thanos already has the Time Stone, and the visions of the future its granted him are why he's relatively unconcerned. He has foreseen a moment when there will be a perfect opportunity to gather them all, and until then he's allowing them to get into position. Note that the three stones currently seen are all in known, if defensible, locations, whereas they were previously lost.

Hell, he could be primarily waiting for Odin to finally kick the bucket. . .

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

That doesn't make any sense, though. If Thanos is so god-blasted powerful (which he is), then why bother with proxies to go fetch the Stones in the first place? He could/should just get them himself.

I think you can just chalk this up to video game "final boss" logic. Sure, Thanos could be literally assured of victory if he just did everything himself instead of sending mooks to do it and waiting until the good guys are more powerful/unified to take them on himself, but then we wouldn't have a franchise.

On a smaller scale, see also Ronan sending Korath to Morag to retrieve the Orb, when Ronan himself just could've gone, killed Peter Quill easily, gotten the Orb, and boom, there goes Xandar. Better internal logic, but then we wouldn't have this delightful motion picture to enjoy!

 

[Spiderine]

On a smaller scale, see also Ronan sending Korath to Morag to retrieve the Orb, when Ronan himself just could've gone, killed Peter Quill easily, gotten the Orb, and boom, there goes Xandar. Better internal logic, but then we wouldn't have this delightful motion picture to enjoy!

Ronan had no idea what the orb contained. Didn't realize what it was till he retrieved it from Quill. He was only fetching it for Thanos. Had he known there was an infinity stone he would have probably done this.

 

[DrCosmic]

Could be that Thanos already has the Time Stone, and the visions of the future its granted him are why he's relatively unconcerned. He has foreseen a moment when there will be a perfect opportunity to gather them all, and until then he's allowing them to get into position. Note that the three stones currently seen are all in known, if defensible, locations, whereas they were previously lost.

Hell, he could be primarily waiting for Odin to finally kick the bucket. . .

You're on to something. It's even more logical than that. Thanos with 2-4 infinity stones isn't unstoppable by the entire force of the cosmos. If Thanos were known to have the Aether and the Tesseract, would The Nova Corps, Asgard, the Kree Empire, and The Inhumans, wherever they are, stand for that? Or would Thanos being "logical" by collecting the known stones require everyone else in the universe be an idiot and just let the Mad Titan slowly gain omnipotence?

Better to allow Asgard and Xandar and The Collector to hold on to them for a bit.

 

[cph9fa]

For all we know, at the end of The Dark World, Loki may have finally handed the Tesseract over to Thanos (despite Sif et al still believing it to be in Odin's Vault). Though, him being Loki, he'd probably be more inclined to keep it for himself.

 

[DrCosmic]

I'm sure if Thanos offered him something he thought worth it Loki would give up the Tesseract... but that's too big a deal to happen off panel. I don't think Loki would follow through with the cube-for-army deal just out of honor.