MCU: Your Thoughts About The Infinity Stones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

cherokeesam said:
Loki certainly knows Thanos was collecting Stones; and it's very disingenuous to think that Odin wouldn't have drilled/tortured that information out of Loki before he threw him in the dungeon.
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Wait, what? Odin is torturing people? Torturing someone he raised as his son? Where's this coming from? In addition, Loki is essentially the god of lies. I'm not sure you could get a truthful answer from him even through torture (you have to have Scarlett Johansson trick him into revealing an answer and then read through the lines to find out what that answer was).
 
Maybe he uses others to obtain them because of the danger they possess, didn't end well for Ronan or Malekith and we haven't seen Red Skull since the 1940's
 
Yeah but Thanos seems to be far more powerful than any of those guys. He's definitely stronger than Red Skull, Loki, and Ronan and probably Malekith as well.
 
Cherokee time!

cherokeesam said:
Gamora was present at Thanos' throne when he sent Ronan after the Orb. Even if she wasn't aware the Power Stone was inside it, Tivan sure as hell made it crystal clear on Knowhere. Loki certainly knows Thanos was collecting Stones; and it's very disingenuous to think that Odin wouldn't have drilled/tortured that information out of Loki before he threw him in the dungeon.

And you keep saying that Thanos is trying to keep it all secret, because everybody would gang up on him if they knew the truth. So....effing....what??? :doh: He's THANOS. EVERYBODY in the universe HAS ganged up on him from time to time, and half the universe got killed off in the process. You think Thanos is afraid of them.....ANY of them? Xandar, the Guardians, the Avengers, Odin, whoever? Excuse me while I go back here and laugh my ass off for the next hour or two. :word:
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If Thanos could handle everyone, then he wouldn't need the infinity stones, he could just do whatever he plans on doing with the infinity stones right now.

Gamora was against Thanos, even moreso after that scene. We have no reason to think Loki knows anything about infinity stones.

cherokeesam said:
Except *I'm* not contradicting myself; *the writers* are. That's my point, and I'm asking the same questions you are, and trying to provide some reasonable answers. Why doesn't he just get the Stones himself? To me, the only logical explanation, when all is said and done, is that something *physically* prevents him that. Like some magic or mumbo-jumbo that was placed on Thanos in eons past because the Elders or whoever didn't trust him around Infinity Stones. I'm reading between the lines here and making assumptions about things that have never been explicitly stated in the movies, sure; but if I'm wrong about these speculative scenes (Loki confessing to Odin about Thanos; Xandar knowing that Thanos is gathering Stones; Loki giving the Aether to Tivan as a peace offering by proxy to Thanos), then we're left with massive plot holes and a total disregard for any sort of continuity on the Stones Saga. And I prefer not to think that Marvel is going to be that stupid or lazy.
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The writers have not contracted themselves. If you remove things that you personally have added to the story, such as Thanos being able to beat everyone on his own, there would be no contradiction. So they're not contradicting themselves, they're just contradicting you. You're not laughing your ass off at us, you're laughing your ass of at the MCU. -shrug-
 
Mike Murdock said:
Wait, what? Odin is torturing people? Torturing someone he raised as his son? Where's this coming from? In addition, Loki is essentially the god of lies. I'm not sure you could get a truthful answer from him even through torture (you have to have Scarlett Johansson trick him into revealing an answer and then read through the lines to find out what that answer was).
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Someone he raised as his son....who also tried to murder him in cold blood and usurp his throne. Let's be honest here....realistically, Loki wouldn't even be alive after Odin got through with him.

As for getting a truthful answer out of Loki: I'm sure there's some Asgardian god of truth or other, or some magic lasso or such up there they could use for a lie detector. It's Asgard.

DrCosmic said:
Cherokee time!



If Thanos could handle everyone, then he wouldn't need the infinity stones, he could just do whatever he plans on doing with the infinity stones right now.

Gamora was against Thanos, even moreso after that scene. We have no reason to think Loki knows anything about infinity stones.



The writers have not contracted themselves. If you remove things that you personally have added to the story, such as Thanos being able to beat everyone on his own, there would be no contradiction. So they're not contradicting themselves, they're just contradicting you. You're not laughing your ass off at us, you're laughing your ass of at the MCU. -shrug-
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Nice try, Doc: "Thanos is really a wimp, after all." Then why bother building him up to be the MCU's Big Bad, if he can't take on all comers?

Do something to prove that Thanos is worthy of being the Final Boss, instead of making him look like a weak fool who trusts untrustworthy underlings to do his dirty work for him. Comic-book Thanos had no need of henchmen, and he gathered all the Infinity Gems by personally confronting the mega-uber-gods who held them, and used his own brains instead of mere brawn to outsmart them. MCU Thanos needs to show that same kind of badassery and supergenius.
 
This is his second appearance. Phase III will show off Thanos' badassery because it'll be leading up to Infinity Gauntlet. So far we know that he is feared throughout the galaxy, wants the Infinity Stones and commanded an army of Chitauri. That's it. For all we now Thanos could spend his weekends travelling to alternate universes and annihilating solar systems for kicks, but we don't. It's too early to make any kind of judgement on Thanos' power or whether he can beat everyone or whether he's an idiot or not because we don't know.

Thanos is arrogant and nihilistic but he's also incredibly intelligent. The IG situation is different to the comics; the Gems/Stones weren't all held by recognisable supporting characters, instead uber-powerful Elders/Gods/whatevers who had no connection to the main characters of Marvel. This time around they're held by recognisable, major places/characters such as Asgard, the Nova Corps and the Collector. In the comics Thanos could AFFORD to go around tricking and getting the Gems himself because A) those people he tricked had little connection to main characters therefore not a lot of people would find out what he's up to, and B) comic Thanos could go ahead and collect them because it was comics and Marvel only needed a few months build-up. A3 likely won't be out until 2018/2019 so of course they can't show him being uber-powerful and collecting the Stones right off the bat because it would mean he'd have assembled the Gauntlet before Avengers, and that movie along with The Dark World and Guardians wouldn't have plots.

Just have some patience with the whole Thanos plot and there'll be a big pay off. They're taking the same method as other big bads; we got ONE appearance from the Emperor before Return of the Jedi and all we had to go on that he was 'worthy of big bad status' was a few people talking about how much of a dick he was. With Lord of the Rings all we got to show Sauron is the big bad was people talking about how evil he was. He didn't give threats, wipe out civillisations or anything... Instead, he got henchmen to do it!
 
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cherokeesam said:
Nice try, Doc: "Thanos is really a wimp, after all." Then why bother building him up to be the MCU's Big Bad, if he can't take on all comers?

Do something to prove that Thanos is worthy of being the Final Boss, instead of making him look like a weak fool who trusts untrustworthy underlings to do his dirty work for him. Comic-book Thanos had no need of henchmen, and he gathered all the Infinity Gems by personally confronting the mega-uber-gods who held them, and used his own brains instead of mere brawn to outsmart them. MCU Thanos needs to show that same kind of badassery and supergenius.
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How about collecting the infinity stones in a way that doesn't use brawn, that means he actually has to outsmart someone, like the people who have them now?

Would he have been worthy if he had gotten the gems from caves and old churches and old temples? Cuz after all, if Thanos is a wimp for not being able to take on everyone in the universe solo, then everyone in the universe is a wimp, removing all significance of the word.
 
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Have you ever seen Buffy? Or Firefly? Whedon is surely the owner of the Soul Gem, because it hurts in the soul. :oldrazz:

TheHeatKitchen said:
Not only that, but like Selvig said, it's like his mind learned everything about the universe. He saw more than knowledge. So there is that too.

Admittedly, I'm riding the fence on the scepter housing the Mind Stone. I really can't decide what I think and how I feel about it. I really don't care, as long as it makes sense and they put thought into it.
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In the comics, the space gem can grant a sort of omnipresence: the ability to be anywhere and everywhere in the universe at once. Now, I don't think that Loki had that level of mastery over the Tesseract, never mind being able to grant it to Selvig. But it is possible that he (and Hawkeye) were "seeing" in multiple places in space at once. Similarly, the space stone might be funneling energy through to power the weapons (both Hydra and Loki's) we see. We haven't actually seen any of the other stones power anything from such a distance, have we? The only one we happen to see that with is the one that also happens to transport stuff through space.

Or, you know, it could just be that any of these stones is infinitely powerful and if you could figure out a way to harness that energy you could theatrically power anything you wanted.
 
All the stones are energy or power based and the energies are limitless. Of course you can use them to power something. Like the cube in Thor, Shield and Hydra didn't exactly understand how the Space stone worked but they were able to hook it up to devices and draw power from it.
 
This is just a random thought I had the other day. We know from Odin's exposition in TDW that the Aether is different from all the other stones, because it is fluid, and takes a living host. We know that it is given to the Collector. We know that the Collector also had Adam Warlock's cocoon, and that by the end of GotG, it is empty. We know that Adam Warlock is traditionally the host to the Soul Gem...

In the MCU, could Adam Warlock actually be the host to the Aether instead? When he escapes the Collector's confines, maybe he takes the Aether with him and becomes its new host?

I know that would involve reusing a previous stone, but don't forget that they reused the Tesseract a couple of times as well. I also know the Aether is considered to be the reality stone (though a few might still think its the power stone?); but I don't think that's been confirmed, and it isn't clear how closely the infinity stones are sticking to the canon, anyway, in terms of themed powers.
 
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The Orb was confirmed to be the Power Stone by James Gunn on Twitter, which fits. Feige confirmed the Tesseract to be the Space Stone some time back, which fits very nicely.

I don't believe the Aether has been confirmed to be the Reality Stone by anyone in the know. Rather, most have come to that conclusion by elimination... Time, Soul and Mind do not fit with the Aether's capabilities at all.
 
In addition to converting matter to dark matter, consider that the Aether's capabilities also include:
- A uniquely fluid form
- A unique capability to inhabit a living host, and feed off its lifeforce
- The ability to defend said host from perceived threats
- Possibly, the ability to give a vision or premonition to said host (Jane sees a vision of Earth when Malekith is removing it from her)

It's mostly that second capability that made me think that it might be inhabiting Warlock. Granted, I'm not hugely familiar with Warlock, or the Soul Gem, but I note from Warlock's Wikipedia article: "The Gem possesses a consciousness of its own and demonstrates a vampiric hunger for the life energies of organic beings." In protecting Jane, and feeding off her life force, the Aether could be said to share a similarity to this description.

But I don't know, its just a possibility that occurred to me; its probably not true. And I agree that matter conversion doesn't really seem like the Soul Gem's schtick.
 
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Hmm, I think you've convinced me that there's an outside chance that the Aether could be the Soul Stone. Previously, I was 100% sure it was Reality. Now, only about 99%. :)

I'm utterly ruling out Mind and Time, though. And gods help you if you try and change my mind on that. :)
 
Reality stone must be in Dr Strange. Yes?

Also love the idea of a Thanos quest movie. I know we want to keep our big bads as mysterious as possible. But if they did do it maybe you would come to understand and maybe appreciate what he's doing. He could be the ultimate anti hero who throws you when he has to fight the heroes that we've brought through. Could even leave a possible redemption angle (although they have done this with Loki).

Dunno, GRRM has shown you can get away with shades of grey for all characters. Could it work in a marvel universe? Or do we still need our heroes and villains?
 
R_Hythlodeus said:
so Feiges word is now not confirmation enough?
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Genuinely curious... I know Feige confirmed the Tesseract as Space, and Gunn confirmed the Orb as Power, but do you have a reference for Feige saying the Aether was Reality? I don't remember that being stated outright (I certainly could have missed something, though!).
 
cph9fa said:
Genuinely curious... I know Feige confirmed the Tesseract as Space, and Gunn confirmed the Orb as Power, but do you have a reference for Feige saying the Aether was Reality? I don't remember that being stated outright (I certainly could have missed something, though!).
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I remember an Interview around SDCC (not necessarily from the SDCC, but around that time), I might have to do some research to find it, but I'm pretty sure it is out there
 
cph9fa said:
Genuinely curious... I know Feige confirmed the Tesseract as Space, and Gunn confirmed the Orb as Power, but do you have a reference for Feige saying the Aether was Reality? I don't remember that being stated outright (I certainly could have missed something, though!).
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Regardless if confirmed or not I can't see it being Time, Mind or Soul. It doesn't fit into the properties of those stones. The reality stone yes, cause The Aether was able to transform the universe, so I would think that would be reality, but then you never know, it could be the time stone. After all the guy wanted the universe back in darkness like in the beginning of time, so it could be time.
 
Which stone or gem is actually the most powerful? Is it the reality Gem??
 
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