MCU: Your Thoughts About The Infinity Stones (SPOILERS INSIDE)

[MbJ]

Looking forward to Thanos giving the good doctor a right beatdown in Infinity War.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm assuming Ragnarok will have the soul gem? That's the only other one we haven't gotten yet. We've gotten Space, Power, Reality, Time, and Mind.

 

[Jaylee]

I have a sort of theory about the soul gem... the soul gem is what made Magus come to be in the comics. Everyone has been kind of guessing that Sam Neill's character in Thor Ragnarok is an Elder but I've been wondering if he's actually playing Adam Warlock, whom they would need to introduce soon if they plan to incorporate him at all.

The reason I think he might be is because they did save the soul gem for last and Warlock was the original keeper of it in the comics, so it would be reasonable to assume he's holding it now. Also they announced that Avengers 3 and 4 would be tied but still separate stories, and Josh Brolin is contracted for both, which leads me to believe they are doing Gauntlet then War, and if they do War for Avengers 4 then they're going to need Magus, which honestly, Sam Neill would knock out of the park.

 

[iEquinox]

Is there any reason why not a lot of people seem to think Heimdall has the Soul Stone?
There's some pretty good clues for that theory.

-Heimdall says: "From here I can see nine realms and ten trillion souls."
-The last Infinity Stone is confirmed to not be in GotG2, which leaves SM, Ragnarok or the next avengers movie for it to show up. Most likely in Ragnarok.
-The Soul Stone is orange, which is the colour of Heimdall's eyes. (Malekith's eyes turned red when he used the Aether.)
-Heimdall showed up in Thor's vision, which included the Mind Stone, Reality Stone, Power Stone and Space Stone, and his eyes weren't orange anymore(did he lose the stone?).
-Heimdall has a small round bump on his armor, which could be where he keeps the Soul Stone.
-It also fits the theory that the objects that contain the infinity stones spell out T.H.A.N.O.S.

The only thing I can think of that would make it slightly less likely is because Volstagg said it would be unwise to keep 2 infinity stones on Asgard. I'm sure they could come up with a good explanation for this. It's pretty likely that Thor and his friends wouldn't know about the Soul Stone being with Heimdall. It's possible that only Odin and Heimdall know, and they are confident that no one else knows about it, reducing the risk.

It just seems like too many coincidences for me to ignore.
Most other theories I've seen aren't really based on anything we've seen in the movies.

 

[Stark Bauer]

I agree and I also believe Heimdall has it...plus Odin is one of the strongest characters in the MCU so he can protect it

 

[Duker Jay]

Is there any reason why not a lot of people seem to think Heimdall has the Soul Stone?
There's some pretty good clues for that theory.

-Heimdall says: "From here I can see nine realms and ten trillion souls."
-The last Infinity Stone is confirmed to not be in GotG2, which leaves SM, Ragnarok or the next avengers movie for it to show up. Most likely in Ragnarok.
-The Soul Stone is orange, which is the colour of Heimdall's eyes. (Malekith's eyes turned red when he used the Aether.)
-Heimdall showed up in Thor's vision, which included the Mind Stone, Reality Stone, Power Stone and Space Stone, and his eyes weren't orange anymore(did he lose the stone?).
-Heimdall has a small round bump on his armor, which could be where he keeps the Soul Stone.
-It also fits the theory that the objects that contain the infinity stones spell out T.H.A.N.O.S.

The only thing I can think of that would make it slightly less likely is because Volstagg said it would be unwise to keep 2 infinity stones on Asgard. I'm sure they could come up with a good explanation for this. It's pretty likely that Thor and his friends wouldn't know about the Soul Stone being with Heimdall. It's possible that only Odin and Heimdall know, and they are confident that no one else knows about it, reducing the risk.

It just seems like too many coincidences for me to ignore.
Most other theories I've seen aren't really based on anything we've seen in the movies.

The problem is you can make almost any cherry-picked details fit a theory.

His eyes weren't orange in the vision? Heimdall has a small bump in his armor that could fit a Stone? These seem like pretty tenuous connections...certainly not a slam dunk.

My favourite is the T.H.A.N.O.S. thing, though. Where does the Eye of Agamotto fit in?

Not that I'm saying there's no way he has it...just thought the 'evidence' was a little precarious.

 

[Mike Murdock]

The Eye of Agamotto was thought to be an Infinity Stone under the title "necklace." This was suggested well over a year ago - probably before Doctor Strange even started filming.

Tesseract
H?
Aether
Necklace (Eye of Agamotto)
Orb
Scepter

 

[TheVileOne]

IMHO, it never sat well with me that Thanos gave Loki the scepter. If he was that ticked off about getting the Tesseract and the Orb, it's hard for me to believe he would allow Loki to use one, even if Loki didn't know it was a stone. Not to mention, why didn't Thor take the scepter with him to Asgard as well? The Avengers had it and the Tesseract. Why not take it with him as well? That's what he was planning to do in Age of Ultron.

 

[Duker Jay]

The Eye of Agamotto was thought to be an Infinity Stone under the title "necklace." This was suggested well over a year ago - probably before Doctor Strange even started filming.

Tesseract
H?
Aether
Necklace (Eye of Agamotto)
Orb
Scepter

Ah. I see.

Still seems like a stretch to me but I guess I can see where they're coming from...

 

[iEquinox]

The problem is you can make almost any cherry-picked details fit a theory.

His eyes weren't orange in the vision? Heimdall has a small bump in his armor that could fit a Stone? These seem like pretty tenuous connections...certainly not a slam dunk.

My favourite is the T.H.A.N.O.S. thing, though. Where does the Eye of Agamotto fit in?

Not that I'm saying there's no way he has it...just thought the 'evidence' was a little precarious.

Sure, the two things you picked out are ones that sound less convincing. But him mentioning he could see souls(It would also be a good explanation for his powers, he is one of the few characters in the MCU whose powers have been shown, but haven't really been explained at all) and being the only character in the MCU with orange eyes are slightly more convincing to me. With his armour I meant the bump in the middle of his chest:

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That has the right size if I compare it to the Mind Stone on Vision's forehead.

I haven't heard of more convincing theories at this point. If there are clues about the Soul Stone in the MCU already, then I'm pretty sure they involve Heimdall. Of course they could just have it be completely new with no connections to previous MCU movies, and these clues could be red herrings. It's still speculation at this point.

But clues about infinity stones haven't been red herrings so far. With both the Tesseract and Loki's Scepter holding an infinity stone, like many suspected. It's also a good opportunity to make the moment Thanos gets the stone more impactful. It would make sense to do it.

I'm not saying I'm sure Heimdall has it, it could just be somewhere we haven't seen yet, and all of these clues could be red herrings/coincidences. We'll know for sure in a year.

 

[Stark Bauer]

H is for Hela. Hela is supposed to be a "death-like" figure, so makes sense that she would be connected to the soul gem. Perhaps she is the one who removes it from Heimdall, gives it to Thanos, ushering in the start of Infinty War.

 

[Spiderine]

IMHO, it never sat well with me that Thanos gave Loki the scepter. If he was that ticked off about getting the Tesseract and the Orb, it's hard for me to believe he would allow Loki to use one, even if Loki didn't know it was a stone. Not to mention, why didn't Thor take the scepter with him to Asgard as well? The Avengers had it and the Tesseract. Why not take it with him as well? That's what he was planning to do in Age of Ultron.

It never sat well with me either. The Mad Titan whose ultimate goal is to collect these stones knowingly gives one away to retrieve another one. I don't care if they threatened Loki if he failed why take that humongous risk of losing the one you had in your possession. It made my first impression of Thanos not being to bright.

I would expect the most powerful being in the universe according to many to provide Loki with other weapons to carry out the mission. Especially when he thought so little of Earth in the first place.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Ah. I see.

Still seems like a stretch to me but I guess I can see where they're coming from...

I agree it's a bit of a stretch. I dismissed it out of hand until the Scepter and the Eye of Agamotto turned out to be ones (the theory predates both).

FWIW, the usual consensus for H was "Him" referring to Adam Warlock who had the soul gem in the comics. At this point, I don't find that very likely since it seems it would be too close to Vision's current state.

 

[Random490]

I like the idea that Heimdall's power of sight comes from the soul stone. It certainly works with Thor's vision of Heimdall becoming blind. It's a good setup, just in case they don't go another direction.

 

[TeeKay]

I was thinking Hela might have it. Isn't she ruler of Hel???

 

[The Caped Knight]

 

[Finarfiniel]

I was thinking Hela might have it. Isn't she ruler of Hel???

Yep, and 'souls' are pretty much Hela's whole deal. She's the ruler of the Asgardian underworld and as a death goddess, it's her job to transport the souls of the dead to either Valhalla or her own realms of Hel and Niflheim.

Traditionally the letter in 'THANOS' has corresponded to the vessel/force that the stone is kept in (Tesseract, Aether, 'Necklace', Orb, Sceptre), not the actual bearer of the stone so I'm not sure why some are so convinced it's either going to be Heimdall or Hela because that kinda breaks the pattern. I think it's more likely that the 'H' will stand for whatever object contains the stone. Maybe it stands for helmet or headdress and Hela has it enclosed it in her famously wacky headgear. t:

Also, I'm not sure why Heimdall is pictured in that graphic posted above. The Tesseract is in Odin's vault, so surely it should be a picture of Odin?

 

[Art Freak]

Yep, and 'souls' are pretty much Hela's whole deal. She's the ruler of the Asgardian underworld and as a death goddess, it's her job to transport the souls of the dead to either Valhalla or her own realms of Hel and Niflheim.

Traditionally the letter in 'THANOS' has corresponded to the vessel/force that the stone is kept in (Tesseract, Aether, 'Necklace', Orb, Sceptre), not the actual bearer of the stone so I'm not sure why some are so convinced it's either going to be Heimdall or Hela because that kinda breaks the pattern. I think it's more likely that the 'H' will stand for whatever object contains the stone. Maybe it stands for helmet or headdress and Hela has it enclosed it in her famously wacky headgear. t:

Also, I'm not sure why Heimdall is pictured in that graphic posted above. The Tesseract is in Odin's vault, so surely it should be a picture of Odin?

You're my kind of OCD! I love it. Right on all counts.

 

[iEquinox]

Yep, and 'souls' are pretty much Hela's whole deal. She's the ruler of the Asgardian underworld and as a death goddess, it's her job to transport the souls of the dead to either Valhalla or her own realms of Hel and Niflheim.

Traditionally the letter in 'THANOS' has corresponded to the vessel/force that the stone is kept in (Tesseract, Aether, 'Necklace', Orb, Sceptre), not the actual bearer of the stone so I'm not sure why some are so convinced it's either going to be Heimdall or Hela because that kinda breaks the pattern. I think it's more likely that the 'H' will stand for whatever object contains the stone. Maybe it stands for helmet or headdress and Hela has it enclosed it in her famously wacky headgear. t:

Also, I'm not sure why Heimdall is pictured in that graphic posted above. The Tesseract is in Odin's vault, so surely it should be a picture of Odin?

The soul stone could be in Heimdall's "Harness".

Also, if Hela abilities as a death godess come from the soul stone, does than mean she can't do her job anymore if she loses the Soul Stone? What would happen to the souls of the dead then?

But I agree that if Heimdall doesn't have it, Hela would be the next candidate.

 

[Finarfiniel]

You're my kind of OCD! I love it. Right on all counts.

The soul stone could be in Heimdall's "Harness".

Also, if Hela abilities as a death godess come from the soul stone, does than mean she can't do her job anymore if she loses the Soul Stone? What would happen to the souls of the dead then?

But I agree that if Heimdall doesn't have it, Hela would be the next candidate.

I'm not arguing that Hela has it (though I do think she's a more likely candidate than Heimdall), I'm just pointing out that the letter usually stands for the vessel, not the bearer. Hela's helmet/headdress was just the first thing that came to mind when I thought of things beginning with H. I actually think the Grandmaster is the most likely candidate to have the soul stone if it is in Ragnarok, he has a history with the soul gem in the comics and he's an Elder of the Universe just like the Collector. Maybe Thor and Hulk steal it from him in an effort to beat Hela?

 

[Batmannerism]

Cool infographic !

 

[iEquinox]

I'm not arguing that Hela has it (though I do think she's a more likely candidate than Heimdall), I'm just pointing out that the letter usually stands for the vessel, not the bearer. Hela's helmet/headdress was just the first thing that came to mind when I thought of things beginning with H. I actually think the Grandmaster is the most likely candidate to have the soul stone if it is in Ragnarok, he has a history with the soul gem in the comics and he's an Elder of the Universe just like the Collector. Maybe Thor and Hulk steal it from him in an effort to beat Hela?

I know you were saying it usually stands for the vessel, but as I said, H could stand for Harness, which is where Heimdall would hide the stone according to the theory.

I don't know that much about the Grandmaster or Hela. But as I said before the Soul Stone could still be anywhere. In my first post I was just pointing out that the only things in the MCU that could be considered as vague clues are pointing to Heimdall. These "clues" could just as well be coincidences or red herrings. We'll have to wait until next year to find out I guess.

And yeah I also noticed that the graphic says that the Tesseract is with Heimdall. You'd expect it to say Odin, but since Odin's location was still unknown, Frigga is dead and Thor keeps leaving, the one who made the graphic might have assumed Heimdall is now the one in charge of guarding the Vault. Maybe it should have even said Loki, since last time we saw him, he was posing as Odin on the throne, meaning he could have been the one in charge of the Vault

 

[AlluAllu]

Imo they should have made the stones more defined. In mcu, space stone can open portals and power weapons. Mind gem can (weakly) brainwash someone and give random superpowers. Reality stone I find most disappointing. Apparentally it can turn the lights off. Power stone is generic power source.

Imo the time stone is the first infinity stone in mcu that is really distinct from the others. Hopefully they find a good way to use the soul stone. I've always thought it to be too similar with the mind stone.

 

[DrCosmic]

Imo they should have made the stones more defined. In mcu, space stone can open portals and power weapons. Mind gem can (weakly) brainwash someone and give random superpowers. Reality stone I find most disappointing. Apparentally it can turn the lights off. Power stone is generic power source.

Imo the time stone is the first infinity stone in mcu that is really distinct from the others. Hopefully they find a good way to use the soul stone. I've always thought it to be too similar with the mind stone.

I don't think they had it entirely mapped out in the beginning, and so there's been some ad hoc, especially with the mind stone, which probably would have come in with the Inhumans in the original scheme of things. I don't think they really figured out which stones actually were what until after Guardians of the Galaxy, because even the Power Stone from GotG was helping him see his mom, which could have been anything, and the fact that they all had to work as generic movie power-source macguffins also made them less distinct.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Imo they should have made the stones more defined. In mcu, space stone can open portals and power weapons. Mind gem can (weakly) brainwash someone and give random superpowers. Reality stone I find most disappointing. Apparentally it can turn the lights off. Power stone is generic power source.

Imo the time stone is the first infinity stone in mcu that is really distinct from the others. Hopefully they find a good way to use the soul stone. I've always thought it to be too similar with the mind stone.

Well said. But I could argue as a counterpoint that Thanos will show them the true Potential of each stone...I mean that's the point...they didn't know what infinity stones were and thus, were not able to display the full extent of their powers...you give the stone to someone with a little training, such as Doctor Strange who showed us a glimpse of what Thanos would do if he harnessed whichever stone