Fant4stic Michael B Jordan is "Flame On!" The Human Torch - Part 2

[Majik1387]

Changing Human Torch does not change anything else. Nolan only did his change so that his bff can be one of the stars. Johnny is not related to Reed or Ben. Just like with Alicia Masters in Fantastic Four. Its just Alicia & shes not blood related to Sue or anyone else. Changing Johnny does not majorly change things. Changing Johnny & Alicia only changed Johnny & Alicia & did not alter the story. Just so that the directors bff can be in a leading role. You are again using ****** examples to try to negate ****** points that does not make sense. Change is fine to a point & if it makes sense. But what Nolan did does not make sense. Just so that his bff can have a leading role. You negative people can choose to not see this movie franchise reboot.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I hope nobody with adopted siblings read this forum because according to some people on here their relationships aren't as good as blood related siblings.

Let that be a lesson to you adopted people, your love for your family isn't as good as mine and never will be. Suckers.

 

[SlamAdams]

I hope nobody with adopted siblings read this forum because according to some people on here their relationships aren't as good as blood related siblings.

Let that be a lesson to you adopted people, your love for your family isn't as good as mine and never will be. Suckers.

Haha, this kind of reminds me about that time the adoption advocacy group tried to kick up dirt regarding Thor's joke in Avengers about Loki being adopted.

 

[Human Torch]

I think the problem people are having with the casting is:

A) They were not step-siblings in the original comic,and they want to see an accurate representation of the relationship (a novel concept to be sure)

B) Neither actor could successfully pass for being biracial.(Save yourselves the effort of trying to dig up photos of biracial families that look like that.The bottom line is it's too much a suspension of dis-belief.It takes you out of the movie when you're thinking "Hell,they look nothin' alike." constantly.)

 

[EssayM]

I just saw the trailer and it looks like he can really act. But his unattractiveness (looks-wise) worries me, to be honest. I know thats shallow but isn't he the male lead for this film?

Yeah, but has Reed ever really been known for being exceptionally handsome? Maybe a little more heroic-looking than the average guy, but I don't think he needs to be a GQ model or anything.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think the problem people are having with the casting is:

A) They were not step-siblings in the original comic,and they want to see an accurate representation of the relationship (a novel concept to be sure)

B) Neither actor could successfully pass for being biracial.(Save yourselves the effort of trying to dig up photos of biracial families that look like that.The bottom line is it's too much a suspension of dis-belief.It takes you out of the movie when you're thinking "Hell,they look nothin' alike." constantly.)

That's not a response to my post but alright. I've seen people on here downplaying adopted people's relationships with their adopted families and I think that's disgusting. Period.

 

[SlamAdams]

I think the problem people are having with the casting is:

A) They were not step-siblings in the original comic,and they want to see an accurate representation of the relationship (a novel concept to be sure)

But what constitutes an accurate representation of their relationship? Certainly how they feel about each other is more important than the results of their paternity tests.

B) Neither actor could successfully pass for being biracial.(Save yourselves the effort of trying to dig up photos of biracial families that look like that.The bottom line is it's too much a suspension of dis-belief.It takes you out of the movie when you're thinking "Hell,they look nothin' alike." constantly.)

Some people should just save themselves the effort and just say "But Johnny Storm's not black in the comics so I don't like it." Because I highly doubt those who are claiming inconsistent family features would have any less problem with a black Invisible Woman. At least, that is not my experience on superhero message boards.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

That's the politically correct response. They're brother & sister in the comics, there's not one of them who's adopted or a step brother, or whatever. It's not that hard really. About Teller, he's just probably one of the best if not the best actor of his generation, I think if you'd ask people overall, they'd find him attractive, he's certainly not ugly, he has an interesting face.

 

[SlamAdams]

That's the politically correct response. They're brother & sister in the comics, there's not one of them who's adopted or a step brother, or whatever. It's not that hard really.

It's not about what's politically correct. It's about what's changing. I don't care if simple exposition changes as long as character personalities and dynamics remain the same. That's what I show up for. If Johnny Storm was white but still adopted, no one would say anything about being accurate about their parentage.

 

[Majik1387]

It's also not that hard to accept a minor change.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

It's not about what's politically correct. It's about what's changing. I don't care if simple exposition changes as long as character personalities and dynamics remain the same. That's what I show up for. If Johnny Storm was white but still adopted, no one would say anything about being accurate about their parentage.

Captain obvious here really.

I like Michael B. Jordan, change is nice & everything but it'd just interest me to know what the screenwriters had in mind when they made that change. I don't want to launch a debate or whatever, I'm sure it's been done over & over again, I'd just like to know their opinion on the matter, and not just "Michael B. Jordan is a great actor and I love what he's doing with the role".

A lot of people are pissed because it's not canon, simple as that, others are pissed because they are racist, that too.

 

[Donut]

It's also not that hard to accept a minor change.

It's also not that hard to accept the fact that 99.9 % of the fan base does not like the changes for this movie

 

[Da-Scribe]

I think the problem people are having with the casting is:

A) They were not step-siblings in the original comic,and they want to see an accurate representation of the relationship (a novel concept to be sure)

B) Neither actor could successfully pass for being biracial.(Save yourselves the effort of trying to dig up photos of biracial families that look like that.The bottom line is it's too much a suspension of dis-belief.It takes you out of the movie when you're thinking "Hell,they look nothin' alike." constantly.)

As a person of mixed descent, what you're saying is incorrect. It's harder for me to believe that they're blood related, but not at all difficult to believe that either are mixed.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

It's not anything new for directors to change a role to fit actors they like working with. It's been said but I just wanted to say it again because some do act like it's something new in this case.

 

[Orba]

I like Michael B. Jordan, change is nice & everything but it'd just interest me to know what the screenwriters had in mind when they made that change.

I don't think the screenwriters had anything to do with the change, Michael B Jordan got the job because Trank wanted him in the film, nothing more. Trank gave him the job, no-one else was ever considered.

 

[Majik1387]

The same way Nolan did with Hardy as Bane.
And Rodriguez with Alba as Nancy.
And Burton with Depp as Sweeney, Willy Wonka, Mad Hatter.

 

[Da-Scribe]

And the same with every director and every actor.

 

[Majik1387]

No, not the same with every director and actor.

 

[Donut]

It's one thing a director wanting a favorite actor in his movie. But what Trank did was not needed. Just so that his bff can be in a leading role. They could have found some other character for Michael Fake Jordan

 

[Majik1387]

It's one thing a director wanting a favorite actor in his movie. But what Nolan/Rodriguez/Burton did was not needed. Just so that his bff can be in a leading role. They could have found some other character for Tom/Jessica/Johnny Fake Hardy/Alba/Depp.

 

[Donut]

Enjoy your one off movie that wont get a sequel

 

[SlamAdams]

Captain obvious here really.

I like Michael B. Jordan, change is nice & everything but it'd just interest me to know what the screenwriters had in mind when they made that change. I don't want to launch a debate or whatever, I'm sure it's been done over & over again, I'd just like to know their opinion on the matter, and not just "Michael B. Jordan is a great actor and I love what he's doing with the role".

If the screenwriters even bothered to lampshade it, I'm sure Trank just said "This is the guy I want for Torch, let's write it so it makes sense." Or they went back after the fact and just tweeked it because it wouldn't take pages to explain. Or they didn't do anything and just trusted the audience is smart enough to fill the gap on their own because its not that hard to wrap your brain around.

 

[Majik1387]

Enjoy your one off movie that wont get a sequel

Again, you must be a fool to think that Fox would let go of the F4 movie rights.

 

[EssayM]

So here's what I think the deep, complex rationale behind Jordan's casting was...

Trank had an actor friend he felt would be perfect for Johnny Storm and didn't care that he was a different race from the comics.

 

[Majik1387]

So here's what I think the deep, complex rationale behind Jordan's casting was...

Trank had an actor friend he felt would be perfect for Johnny Storm and didn't care that he was a different race from the comics.

That's exactly what it was.