Fant4stic Michael B Jordan is "Flame On!" The Human Torch - Part 2

[Kahran Ramsus]

Family dynamics and visuals in comparison to comic book characters aside...

Some people on here seem to have issues understanding the concept of "acting".

Daniel Day Lewis is the world's greatest living actor. That doesn't mean he would be a good choice to play Sue Storm. Acting can only make up for so much.

 

[Kelly]

Actually, like I said earlier, it isn't like the Ultimate Fantastic Four either.

Can you explain to me how it "isn't" like the UFF......I'm being serious, because from what "very little" I know of the UFF, it seems like a lot more than the first 2 movies for sure. So can you explain to me how it's different?

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Can you explain to me how it "isn't" like the UFF......I'm being serious, because from what "very little" I know of the UFF, it seems like a lot more than the first 2 movies for sure. So can you explain to me how it's different?

I'm just going off the cast. I'm not referring to the plot because quite frankly we don't know what it will be in the film (although I somehow doubt we will get supervillain Reed). We have a synopsis that may or may not be true.

Specifically, what I was referring to was the age of the main cast. Ultimate Johnny Storm in particular is 15 and was even a classmate of Peter Parker's at one point. So while Reed and Ben are younger, Johnny was kept significantly younger to compensate. That's not the case with the film cast.

If you want me to explain how UFF is messed up (the words supervillain Reed from above are a good hint), then I can go into further detail on that if you wish.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Ultimate Fantastic Four reminds me of the kinds of things congress does. You know, like how they will create a bill that will give government the ability to stick a scope up your butt any time they want and then they'll call it: "The Protection of Privacy Act". As if calling it one thing will not make it as bad as it actually is.

Just because Ultimate Fantastic Four calls itself "Ultimate Fantastic Four" doesn't make it Fantastic Four.

 

[Kelly]

I'm just going off the cast. I'm not referring to the plot because quite frankly we don't know what it will be in the film (although I somehow doubt we will get supervillain Reed). We have a synopsis that may or may not be true.

Specifically, what I was referring to was the age of the main cast. Ultimate Johnny Storm in particular is 15 and was even a classmate of Peter Parker's at one point. So while Reed and Ben are younger, Johnny was kept significantly younger to compensate. That's not the case with the film cast.

If you want me to explain how UFF is messed up (the words supervillain Reed from above are a good hint), then I can go into further detail on that if you wish.

Oh, ok...yeah those are the differences I see as well, but as far as just the bits and pieces I'm hearing...it looks like plot wise it may very well be totally UFF.

I could actually see this movie coming off as a group of 4, Sue and Johnny NOT being siblings, but the group being very much like a family in dynamics and all being the same age, going the UFF route almost exclusively.

That is kind of the vibe I'm getting at this point, and I wasn't even going to say anything along those lines, but that is just the feel of it at the moment.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I could actually see this movie coming off as a group of 4, Sue and Johnny NOT being siblings, but the group being very much like a family in dynamics and all being the same age, going the UFF route almost exclusively.

That is kind of the vibe I'm getting at this point, and I wasn't even going to say anything along those lines, but that is just the feel of it at the moment.

I've been getting the same feeling. There was something somebody affiliated with the project said (can't remember exactly) that indicated Sue and Johnny might not be brother and sister.

I think one of the things that bothered me most about UFF (and I didn't read all of it, I got sick of it after the first few issues) was that Ben and Reed weren't long-time friends who had been through a lot together before the transformation. In UFF, they knew each other as kids and then it flashed forward many years later when they were both adults who hadn't grown up together and, therefore, would have barely known each other.

That friendship between two such different people (which is oftened strained by Ben's blaming of Reed for the accident and Reed's feelings of guilt regarding the accident) is one of the KEY elements of FF in my opinion. I really liked the first Star Trek reboot because of the focus on Spock and Kirk's friendship. The special friendship between Reed and Ben was something that always made FF special for me as the Kirk/Spock friendship made Star Trek special to millions of fans.

But, unfortunately, I have a feeling the film-makers don't recognize those important relationships that define the FF. I have a feeling they just see them as four characters with super-powers and as long as they have four characters with super-powers and the same names as the characters in the comics that's close enough.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

I could actually see this movie coming off as a group of 4, Sue and Johnny NOT being siblings, but the group being very much like a family in dynamics and all being the same age, going the UFF route almost exclusively.

That is kind of the vibe I'm getting at this point, and I wasn't even going to say anything along those lines, but that is just the feel of it at the moment.

That right there is the problem. The fantastic four IS a family, more so than any other team in the marvel Universe.That's one of the things that makes them unique. Take that away, and they'd be just like any other superhero

team.

When Millar wrote the FF-the original FF, that is- he really highlighted this aspect of the team.That was also when i first became a fan of the FF.Before that, i never really paid any attention to them.It's the family dynamic of the team that really drew me in.

 

[BestGirl]

5) Kate Mara - No real problem here, but she has a much lower profile than the woman she is replacing in the role. If FOX is hoping to match the modest BO totals of the first two films, this probably isn't a good start. And if Jordan's black, why not cast an actress of African descent for Johnny's sister? Black women have much lower representation in comic book movies than black men.

I don't get the impression that Trank cast Jordan just to be different or to make any statement about race. They wanted to do another project together and Trank had FF coming up so he cast Jordan in the role he was the best match for. After that he seems to have tried to cast from the comics.

 

[Human Torch]

I've been getting the same feeling. There was something somebody affiliated with the project said (can't remember exactly) that indicated Sue and Johnny might not be brother and sister.

I think one of the things that bothered me most about UFF (and I didn't read all of it, I got sick of it after the first few issues) was that Ben and Reed weren't long-time friends who had been through a lot together before the transformation. In UFF, they knew each other as kids and then it flashed forward many years later when they were both adults who hadn't grown up together and, therefore, would have barely known each other.

That friendship between two such different people (which is oftened strained by Ben's blaming of Reed for the accident and Reed's feelings of guilt regarding the accident) is one of the KEY elements of FF in my opinion. I really liked the first Star Trek reboot because of the focus on Spock and Kirk's friendship. The special friendship between Reed and Ben was something that always made FF special for me as the Kirk/Spock friendship made Star Trek special to millions of fans.

But, unfortunately, I have a feeling the film-makers don't recognize those important relationships that define the FF. I have a feeling they just see them as four characters with super-powers and as long as they have four characters with super-powers and the same names as the characters in the comics that's close enough.

It would be foolhardy for them to try and play-act like they could possibly be brother & sister.(unless they're step-siblings) Neither Mara or Jordan could pass for bi-racial.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

It would be foolhardy for them to try and play-act like they could possibly be brother & sister.(unless they're step-siblings) Neither Mara or Jordan could pass for bi-racial.

They could share a mother with different fathers, they could share a father with different mothers, they could be unrelated from two different marriages (as with Brady Bunch), one could be adopted, one could be from IVF with a sperm donor or egg donor, mom could have been fooling around, mom could have been raped, dad could have invited a friend over for a threesome etc. etc.

If I had an African American sister, I'd just introduce her as my sister. I wouldn't think it was anybody's business why we had different skin colors. I'd like to see them do something similar in this film. They're just brother and sister with no explanation.

That would be preferable to changing their relationship IMO.

 

[Human Torch]

I'm saying,if they wanted the Storms to be bi-racial,they should've cast bi-racial actors.

 

[Octoberist]

I would have Michael B. Jordan in Star Wars but I really think the Fox pulled their weight in keeping him in-house (also he's rumored for ID4 2) due to Chronicle and his recent success with Fruitvale.

It might the case where you signed for a two film deal at Fox when he signed up for Chronicle.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm saying,if they wanted the Storms to be bi-racial,they should've cast bi-racial actors.

Well they should have cast a blonde guy, but what's done is done.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Oh, ok...yeah those are the differences I see as well, but as far as just the bits and pieces I'm hearing...it looks like plot wise it may very well be totally UFF.

I could actually see this movie coming off as a group of 4, Sue and Johnny NOT being siblings, but the group being very much like a family in dynamics and all being the same age, going the UFF route almost exclusively.

That is kind of the vibe I'm getting at this point, and I wasn't even going to say anything along those lines, but that is just the feel of it at the moment.

So Sue and Johnny might not be adopted or step-siblings now, but not related at all? That's even worse.

If that is true, I have even less hope for this film than I already did.

 

[JP]

It's as true as all the other "true" things declared as being true in this truth thread.

 

[Kelly]

It's as true as all the other "true" things declared as being true in this truth thread.

Who said it was the truth?

 

[Picard Sisko]

She said this was the vibe she was getting. We don't know if this is ACTUALLY happening. I'd hope not though.

What if Johnny and Sue are siblings, but they don't really mention that one of them was adopted? It's something that can easily be implied, y'know?

 

[Spider-Fan]

It's as true as all the other "true" things declared as being true in this truth thread.

He did say "if true" meaning he was addressing the point if it ends up being true. Not that it is currently, in fact, true. Much like Victoria Von Doom, at this point to us hyspters, isn't "true." It is speculation. Hence why when asked if the gender change ends up being true what would my opinion be, I always say "if true." I'm addressing the possibility. That is all anyone is doing (well...us rational people). I don't see that as wrong.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

As a Puerto Rican from NYC related to many a bi-racial human being let me state it's been my life's experience (and I'm sure other's as well) that bi-racial people come in all shapes and colors. If they keep with Johnny and Sue being full on brother and sister I will be an audience member that won't bat an eye lashe.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

As a Puerto Rican from NYC related to many a bi-racial human being let me state it's been my life's experience (and I'm sure other's as well) that bi-racial people come in all shapes and colors. If they keep with Johnny and Sue being full on brother and sister I will be an audience member that won't bat an eye lashe.

In today's world, we have families that are very diverse, and if somebody meets a family and spends a long time thinking about why different people within that family have different skin tones, I frankly think that person's got a bit of a problem.

That doesn't change the fact that I'd like Johnny to look more like he did in the comics, but now that they're going this way, I don't think any 'explanation' is needed.

 

[Dark Raven]

Where has it been said that they won't be siblings anymore in this movie?

 

[Donut]

I would have Michael B. Jordan in Star Wars but I really think the Fox pulled their weight in keeping him in-house (also he's rumored for ID4 2) due to Chronicle and his recent success with Fruitvale.

I don't want him anywhere near popular genre stuff after he does this. He does not deserve them. He can stick to the low key stuff or come up with his own **** with his bff

 

[Picard Sisko]

In today's world, we have families that are very diverse, and if somebody meets a family and spends a long time thinking about why different people within that family have different skin tones, I frankly think that person's got a bit of a problem.

That doesn't change the fact that I'd like Johnny to look more like he did in the comics, but now that they're going this way, I don't think any 'explanation' is needed.

This.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

She said this was the vibe she was getting. We don't know if this is ACTUALLY happening. I'd hope not though.

What if Johnny and Sue are siblings, but they don't really mention that one of them was adopted? It's something that can easily be implied, y'know?

Exactly. Narratively, it's very easy to resolve. But it'll also depend on whether Johnny Storm's skin colour is treated as a big deal in the movie. Honestly, I hope they ignore that.

 

[Kelly]

Where has it been said that they won't be siblings anymore in this movie?

No where officially....people (myself included) were not saying it was official, just people speculating possibilities for the story line.