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Transformers Michael Bays Says No to Transformers 2?

Ratner strikes me as a fraud, he makes claims that are pure lies.

I'm not really worried about him as a personality, he is very honest which is refreshing IMO, the thing is TF is doing so well b/c ppl love action and unless Cameron or Spielberg take over i don't see anyone doing it on his level.
Eh, I just want a sequel really, and I'm sure this is all just BS, and Bay will keep his new money machine rolling. No way he would drop all that money just to cry about this format thing, he is just throwing his hair's weight around. I guess I'm more worried about a good script than Bay's shaky-hair-cam.
 
i say...for the sequel, get J.J. Abrams or someone similar as director with Michael Bay as the action consultant/co-producer.
 
This format war is completely idiotic.
someone needs to come out with a quality player that supports blu-Ray AND HD-DVD...I think I heard one is coming out soon...that outa shut those fools up.

blu dvd

or

hd-ray

yea thats gonna be hot
 
It sucks that he won't do it. But I applaud him for standing up to Paramount. It's stupid that people have to buy two different players to get the movies they want. One of the reasons I refuse to support hi-def DVD.
 
What a bunch of *******s, those paramount guys. I have ONLY Blu-Ray. If you guys think it "sucks", then you are quite *******s yourselves, because Blu-Ray is infact superior to HD-DVD in every way. It has more disk space (50gb rather than 30 on dual-layer, up to 900gb on quadruple layers, compared to HD-DVD's 90gb on quadruple layers) The quality on the video is overall better, and the Blu-Ray discs are far easier to get your hands on than the HD-DVD ones (both empty and movie discs). What's up with all the Sony haters? I'm SICK of people hating Sony. So what, the PS3 was released before it should've. So was the Xbox 360, REMEMBER?! Tons of consoles were broken, and in fact, MORE of them were broken than PS3s were at their release. Microsoft is alot less of a "quality" company. (Don't freaking come to me with "HALO". Halo is made by BUNGIE, not Microsoft (they are only distributing it and HELPING the development of the series). Plus, Halo is the only good thing on Microsoft's side. And heck, Sony delayed several times their console so they could make it better, MS DIDN'T. Look at me now, three years ahead of this time, everybody will look up to this day in the past and say "Man, Sony, Blu-Ray and PS3 outlived the 360 and HD-DVD", just like how we used to hate XP and praise Windows 2000, now we hate Vista and praise XP, next time we'll praise Vista and hate Vienna. <_< Sony is as good as Microsoft, HD-DVD is as good as Blu-Ray.

You people have to stop it with all this fanboy-ish hate, damnit.

As for Bay, I am definately with him, they should as a matter of fact release it in Blu-Ray, because Blu-Ray is currently superior (even if it costs more) and not everyone has an Xbox 360 with a HD-DVD player or a Toshiba HD-DVD player. Same can be said for Blu-Ray. Everything should be released for BOTH, not just one of them. And Michael Bay would've hated it as much if it weren't getting released on HD-DVD and only on Blu-Ray, trust me.

Also, Michael bay only DIRECTED THE MOVIE, as in, he didn't make the story or plot. You'd have to blame John Rogers, Roberto Orci, and Alex Kurtzman if you hated that. Oh, wait, they only wanted to make a good movie, Bay ruined it! <_< This is all just really stupid, in all honesty...People will be people I guess. This is one freaking reason I hate fanboys. Same crap will happen with Iron Man, fans will ruin the second one, they already did that with Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, after all...

I'm pretty sure that without Bay, this movie would've looked alot less realistic. Also, fanboys who just want the Transformers movie to be just EXACTLY like the 1980's cartoon, have the same plot, same cars, and happen also in the 80s are just plain f***ing ******ed. What the heck IS the point of making this movie then, eh? Plus, you'd be amazed how many people told me that the battle scene in the city was overwhelming and that the idea of them fighting for a half hour with bullets and missiles and explosions all over the place got too boring. Oh wait, Michael Bay directed it, let's blame it on him! <_<

Also, if you want this to be your goold old 8-year old's fantasy cartoon, which makes no sense, seems rather silly, un-immersive and non-complex, and has 0 realism, then just go watch the cartoons all over again and act like an 8 year old, all over again. In fact, why don't you go and make your own Transformers movie, a remake of the original cartoon! Chances are:
1. you'll fail
2. If you do succeed, it'll be a disaster and would win no attention, wouldn't be interesting and would make barely any money.

For all of this, I'm sticking with what Bay says (And I'm NOT a Michael Bay fanboy). Fanboys ruin almost everything, they always have to have the same stuff as back in the days. I've seen this with video games like Starcraft 2, where people are litterally begging Blizzard to make it Starcraft 1 in 3D, with a ****ty storyline that they dreamed about when they were ten years old, that is all too simple, boring and un-realist. Did I mention most of these "fans" are 15-16 year olds who never played the original game back then when it came out, and know almost NOTHING about the original game's storyline? They can't be arsed to play the old game, it's TOO OLD...<_<

Get my point?

EDIT: Well, looks like these last comments in this topic are really smarter than the ones in the comment section of that news site's...Yes, IT IS the format war that's stupid and childish, NOT Michael Bay. (And that sure as heck ain't sarcasm) Why can't they just make one simple High-Def disc format, they have to make two?

EDIT2: Sorry for all the swearing, I censored it.
 
Hey, Alex06. I agree with a lot of what you said but if you want to be taken seriously around here cut back on the swearing and name calling.
 
Yeah, we get that you don't like HDDVD, but no reason to be *****y about it.
 
Source: Michael Bay's Shoot For The Edit

Michael Bay is upset over Paramount Pictures' recent announcement that "Transformers" will only be released on the HD-DVD next-generation format.

He states that he wants "people to see my movies in the best formats possible," he writes on his official website forums. "For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks!"

Mr. Bay also states that he is so upset over Paramount's decision, that there will be "[n]o Transformers 2 for me!"


Good. Blu-Ray is too boxy anyways. :trans:
 
I think he still may do it. Anyway, it's just stupid to release a movie on one or the other. All movies should be released on both...oh wait, I guess it's just part of the war going on right now.
 
Yeah, we get that you don't like HDDVD, but no reason to be *****y about it.

I like HD-DVD as much as I like Blu-Ray. It would only be fair justice for every movie to release on either both or none. Toshiba or Sony paying a movie company more money to release a specific successful cinema movie (like Transformers) so they can get more money than the other company and thus gain even more money because people will think of buying their products, that just makes me sick. Profit, that's it, America makes me sick with it's value of making the most profit, and even more profit, when they already have enough money for life, yet still decide to get more, because they don't have enough. The rest just sits to their death, not even used. They don't even care about the poor in other countries. It's really disgusting. Sorry I flipped out, guys, won't happen again. I also went to IMDB with all this Bay-hating and just zipped their mouths. Again, it won't happen, sorry. And I don't hate HD-DVD, I just hate egoism and the fact they're missing the ability to trust people alot.

And sorry for swearing, yeah, I got really angry at all these people bashing Michael Bay and Transformers. Michael's not the one to bash here. If the shots went away too fast and you barely saw any action, it's only because the movie is waaayyy too long already anyways...
 
There are many others good directors to make T2
Roland emmerich, Peter Jackson lol
 
This seems like a pretty petty reason to not wanna do TF2, on Bay's behalf. I think he was looking for a reason not to do it personally. After all this is a multi-billion dollar franchise, and one that could allow Bay to leave his mark on the film making world long after he's dead and gone.

With this being said, i doubt too many ppl are gonna be slitting their wrists about Bay not returning. I for one didn't really like the tight action shots, nor the laudrey list of humorous dialogue. With a new director taking the helm we may actaully have a chance at getting some of the issues we had with TF 1 corrected. My only concern is that i hope this departure by both Bay, and the writers ( who stated a while ago they weren't coming back)doesn't put TF2 in production limbo for several years while they get their acts together. I hope it stays on track for it's 2009 release.

I stated on another thread that i'd love it if Robert Zemekis directed TF 2 but it would be absolute heaven if Mr.Speilburg himself took on the sequel.
 
I don't get why people want TF to be a serious movie. It's a movie based on a 80's toy line and cartoon for god's sake.
 
I don't get why people want TF to be a serious movie. It's a movie based on a 80's toy line and cartoon for god's sake.

Yeah i know it is, but it doesn't have to be overly serious, or overly humorous. There is such a thing as a healthy medium. Many, as i, felt the balance was off.
 
Excellent article on all of this nonsense over at the Digital Bits. :up:

So... wow. Where to begin? As we figured it might, the craziness continues today with more new announcements and reaction to yesterday's Paramount/DreamWorks news.

First up, Buena Vista has fired back with another new Blu-ray Disc exclusive announcement. As expected, Disney and Pixar's Ratatouille will be released on DVD and Blu-ray Disc on 11/6, the same day as the already announced Cars. It also publicly confirmed that Lost: Season Three would be coming to Blu-ray Disc on 12/11. You can read more here at Video Business.

Now for a fascinating bit of reaction. It seems that Transformers director Michael Bay was none to pleased about the announcement that his film would only be released on the HD-DVD format. In fact, he went so far as to make this comment on his website's forums (requires registration):

"I want people to see my movies in the best formats possible. For them to deny people who have Blu-ray sucks! They were progressive by having two formats. No Transformers 2 for me!

Bay"

We'd heard heard that Michael was a Blu-ray supporter and that he wasn't happy when he found out about Paramount's decision, but we didn't expect that he'd make that displeasure public so quickly. But there you go. FYI, his site has been understandably getting a lot of traffic this morning, so if you're trying to log in, you might want to be patient. Something tells me you're going to start seeing Michael Bay movies on Blu-ray from OTHER studios announced soon...

Speaking of Bay's reaction and Paramount's decision, it seems Michael wasn't alone. A lot of people have been e-mailing the studio in the last 24 hours as you can imagine. Some of the replies to those e-mails have been posted on various discussion forums around the Net. We don't want to get anyone in trouble over there, so we're not going to post the full text of any of them. But among the factoids that have been gleaned from these replies are:

1) All of the previously announced Blu-ray titles that had been completed and were being prepared for release have been cancelled. This includes Blades of Glory, NEXT, Face/Off, Top Gun and the Tom Clancy Collection. Indeed, we've checked the studio's press site and discovered that all of these titles, which had still been listed there for Blu-ray release as late as yesterday, have been removed from the site.

2) The terms of the deal with Microsoft SEEMS to be 18 months, however the deal contains "a lot of clauses which would allow us to release certain films on Blu-ray during this time period." In other words, the studio seems to be leaving itself plenty of wiggle room.

And here's the most interesting bit. This is taken from one of the actual e-mails...

3) "Actually we were as surprised as everyone else today when we found out about the agreement with HD-DVD. We found out when we arrived to work today and there had been no rumors at all circulating. I think it surprised us all because we have been working on Blu-ray versions of films such Blades, Face/Off, Top Gun, etc. through the end of last week. I can tell you we have received many calls today from various talent and certain directors voicing their displeasure with this decision. We even had VP's of other studios calling in from what I hear. I have never seen this type of atmosphere in the office."

In other words, Michael Bay probably wasn't alone among filmmakers that work with Paramount in being pissed off about this news. And it seems that the whole decision was concocted without telling ANYONE actually working on the discs. It was as much a surprise to the studio's employees as it was to the rest of the industry.

Here's another interesting story I've heard through the grapevine. People at Paramount who were working on the HD-DVD and Blu-ray Disc versions of Blades of Glory had actually been planning to do some kind of elaborate interactive feature on both versions... except that they discovered the 30GB HD-DVD disc didn't have enough space to do what they'd wanted to do. So they were planning to include this feature exclusively on the Blu-ray version. Now, of course, that's all changed. But this casts some doubt on comments made by Paramount's chief technology officer, Alan Bell, in the media since yesterday, to the effect that the studio considered HD-DVD the superior format from a technical standpoint. Apparently someone didn't tell that to the guys actually WORKING with these formats at the studio.

Speaking of the media, there's another new story on all this over at the New York Times today that's worth a read. It CONFIRMS that Paramount and DreamWorks are being paid $150 million in cash and incentives to go HD-DVD exclusive.

Also today, reaction from the Blu-ray camp is as you'd expect. Here's what Pioneer's Andy Parsons (also the Chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association's U.S. Promotions Committee) had to say late yesterday:

"The decision seems oddly timed given Blu-ray's tremendous momentum both with consumers and with retail. Blu-ray title sales continue to outpace HD-DVD sales by nearly a 2 to 1 margin, and major retailers have expressed a strong preference for Blu-ray. Moreover, the price delta between HD DVD and Blu-ray players has been greatly reduced in the past few months, a trend that is on its way to eliminating any perceived cost advantage the HD DVD format has claimed to have. Under these circumstances, we can only imagine what could have enticed Paramount to walk away from a format that is clearly selling significantly more software than the HD-DVD format."

And Scott Hettrick has weighed in with an editorial over at Hollywood in High-Def as well.

Finally this morning, Paul Sweeting has posted an editorial of his own over at Content Agenda that I wanted to comment on. Paul's a good guy, and he's been doing this a long time, but he and I disagree on the format war. And I think his editorial focuses too much on the business side of the equation, and not nearly enough on the consumers who are actually the point of all this. All too often, Hollywood makes decisions like these in a vacuum, having little contact with (and real world knowledge of - I'm not talking about focus groups and spreadsheets) their actual consumers. That was never more clear than in the comments of Paramount Home Entertainment president Kelly Avery in Paul's piece:

"Our real focus is on, how do we jump start this thing? This is still a very small market and we need to start moving some movies and some players. Ultimately, we don't want this to become a niche business. We need to get consumers to step up to high-def DVD players and we think this fourth quarter presents an opportunity to do that."

Ironically, Paramount's actions will almost certainly have the OPPOSITE effect going into the holiday season. Why? Because just at a time when it started to appear as if the outcome of this format war was getting clearer, Paramount and DreamWorks' decision has just made the choice even more confusing for all those consumers who were paying attention but were still sitting on the sidelines. It's certainly pissed off all those consumers who had already chosen Blu-ray, and who were already purchasing Paramount Blu-ray titles (not to mention those looking forward to announced titles like Top Gun). Furthermore, anyone who hasn't been paying attention, but starts considering high-def over the next 18 months, is going to be even MORE confused. They're going to see Hollywood studio support for high-def split between two camps. They're going to be bombarded by ads for two formats. They're going to see Cars and Pirates 3 in one color case, and Shrek 3 and Transformers in another, and they're going to ask themselves, "WTF should I do?!" And what they're going to do is stick with DVD. This format war isn't just about cost deltas. It's about public perception. And when it comes to public perception of high-def discs, this industry has just screwed itself but good.

One last note today: We've been getting a LOT of readers asking us how they can weigh in with their opinions on Paramount and DreamWorks' decision yesterday, and also express their desire for Warner to stay format neutral in the face of pressure (and money) from Microsoft. You can find contact information for all these studios on our Links page. Whether you call or send postcards and letters (the latter is always much more effective than e-mail, which can easily be ignored), we would strongly suggest that you be polite and professional at all times. Enough said.

Stay tuned...

Bill Hunt, Editor
The Digital Bits

http://www.digitalbits.com/#mytwocents

DARNIT, and all this time I thought it was Toshiba behind this, but apparently Microsoft had a big hand to play here, as well. THEY MAKE CRAPPY PC SOFTWARE, WHY DO THEY WANT ME TO NOT OWN TRANSFORMERS IN HD!? :cmad:
 

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