Michael Bay's "Transformers" Vs. The Fantastic Four (merged 2)

[Kelly]

You do have a point. Maybe the mod would close this thread? It's really not serving much of a purpose...

Theres a concept.....jeeeeezus, I'm in a bad mood....I'm going to bed...

 

[Pickle-El]

On IMBD it has the Simpsions for 2008. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0462538/fullcredits Also It's going to be animated, so it may be one of those right to DVD movies. So forget The Simpsons. Right now looks like it boils down to the FF, Transformers, Harry Potter for July 07. And I think the one to move should be The Transformers. Cause the'll be crushed the way it's set up now.

FF2 will move....again.

There's more competition this time around than the last time around. FOX knows the reaction to FF was so-so. It NEEDS as much space as possible between it and another tentpole flick. In other words, it will be moved because it's the best scenario for FOX to make more money. (Though I doubt it will gross as much as the original. The nostalgia is gone, and WILL have to be up to par in both Story and FX this time around..)

 

[Kelly]

FF2 will move....again.

There's more competition this time around than the last time around. FOX knows the reaction to FF was so-so. It NEEDS as much space as possible between it and another tentpole flick. In other words, it will be moved because it's the best scenario for FOX to make more money. (Though I doubt it will gross as much as the original. The nostalgia is gone, and WILL have to be up to par in both Story and FX this time around..)

There was no nostalgia w/ the first one, if anyone thinks that it was the F4 comic fans that got it to 330 million, you are fooling yourselves...

 

[deathshead2]

There was no nostalgia w/ the first one, if anyone thinks that it was the F4 comic fans that got it to 330 million, you are fooling yourselves...

No it was not fans it was 5 year old kids dragging there parents to seeing it more than once.Why can't it be like the old days when kids weren't drawn to bad movies. Wait that was never we deastroy young peoples minds with this crap.

 

[Kelly]

No it was not fans it was 5 year old kids dragging there parents to seeing it more than once.Why can't it be like the old days when kids weren't drawn to bad movies. Wait that was never we deastroy young peoples minds with this crap.

Yeah whatever, do you have another song on CD besides that one....???

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

There was no nostalgia w/ the first one, if anyone thinks that it was the F4 comic fans that got it to 330 million, you are fooling yourselves...

I would say the comic book fans got it about $150 million of its take though JMA. Maybe a little more/less either way but they did get it almost half of its revenue i would say.

 

[deathshead2]

Yeah whatever, do you have another song on CD besides that one....???

Haha you're so funny

 

[Kelly]

I would say the comic book fans got it about $150 million of its take though JMA. Maybe a little more/less either way but they did get it almost half of its revenue i would say.

5% of 330 million....???? nope have to disagree... More like around 10 million. 6.6 mil actually but I'll give it 4 or 5 more. Hell I'll even go up to 20 million. But thats my last offer...lol

DVD's a different story....probably most were fans, and new fans.

 

[Kelly]

Haha you're so funny

 

[deathshead2]

 

[Malus]

No it was not fans it was 5 year old kids dragging there parents to seeing it more than once.Why can't it be like the old days when kids weren't drawn to bad movies. Wait that was never we deastroy young peoples minds with this crap.

Apparently.

 

[Pickle-El]

There was no nostalgia w/ the first one, if anyone thinks that it was the F4 comic fans that got it to 330 million, you are fooling yourselves...

Nostalgia also=Curiosity factor.

A lot of people who were curious saw it weren't exactly begging, 'When's the sequel coming out?'

See the difference?

However, some people now know there MIGHT be sequel...Expectations are raised in said case. The 'Wow' factor of seeing the FF on the silver screen for the first time has been exercised. It will take both 'Wow' and Story/Acting to make it through sequels. Alot of things that are forgiven first time aroudn won't be the 2nd time......It did decent BO, that aside however, it didn't exactly have the overall welcoming of X1.(it was more like DD or Hulk in the review dept)

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

5% of 330 million....???? nope have to disagree... More like around 10 million. 6.6 mil actually but I'll give it 4 or 5 more. Hell I'll even go up to 20 million. But thats my last offer...lol

DVD's a different story....probably most were fans, and new fans.

Err, what, LOL, were did the 5% of 330 million come from? I said i reckon the fans got it about $150 million of its revenue at the B.O.

 

[Kelly]

Err, what, LOL, were did the 5% of 330 million come from? I said i reckon the fans got it about $150 million of its revenue at the B.O.

The 5% of the audience in my opinion were actual fans of the F4 comic. The rest were mainstream audience. So I was actually being extremely generous in my $$$ value given.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well think of how many fans there must be around the world. And consider that mnay of these fans saw it more than once at the cinema, that does amount to A LOT of revenue.

 

[Malus]

The 5% of the audience in my opinion were actual fans of the F4 comic. The rest were mainstream audience. So I was actually being extremely generous in my $$$ value given.

LOL... You ain't kiddin'. Less than half of 1% of the entire general population reads comics these days. Three decades ago, it was maybe 2%. There were probably more people that had been fans of the cartoons drawn in last summer. There were surely as many drawn in by the Burger King toys and the tv ads.
A multi-generational presence of fans (as I'm sure was the case) probably made up a very small percentage of moviegoers. Far fewer than Spider-man or Batman, who had/have far more "face value."

Less than 20,000 people bought the latest issue of THE THING, which is one of the better-written/drawn FF-related comics going. And if the original FF comic (now at #537) is selling over 120,000, I'd be stunned.
Statistically speaking, no one reads comics these days.

It reminds me of a t-shirt I saw at a convention a few years ago:
"Look out, poetry! Here comes comics!"
Sad, but true.

 

[Kelly]

LOL... You ain't kiddin'. Less than half of 1% of the entire general population reads comics these days. Three decades ago, it was maybe 2%. There were probably more people that had been fans of the cartoons drawn in last summer. There were surely as many drawn in by the Burger King toys and the tv ads.
A multi-generational presence of fans (as I'm sure was the case) probably made up a very small percentage of moviegoers. Far fewer than Spider-man or Batman, who had/have far more "face value."

Less than 20,000 people bought the latest issue of THE THING, which is one of the better-written/drawn FF-related comics going. And if the original FF comic (now at #537) is selling over 120,000, I'd be stunned.
Statistically speaking, no one reads comics these days.

It reminds me of a t-shirt I saw at a convention a few years ago:
"Look out, poetry! Here comes comics!"
Sad, but true.

Yes I could actually venture to say that the actual pure comic fan of the F4 brought in less than a million.....but I was being easy and gave them 20 million, but I truly do not believe they brought in even that much, and probably a couple of 1000 dollars was brought in by Thingy alone.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

LOL... You ain't kiddin'. Less than half of 1% of the entire general population reads comics these days. Three decades ago, it was maybe 2%. There were probably more people that had been fans of the cartoons drawn in last summer. There were surely as many drawn in by the Burger King toys and the tv ads.
A multi-generational presence of fans (as I'm sure was the case) probably made up a very small percentage of moviegoers. Far fewer than Spider-man or Batman, who had/have far more "face value."

Less than 20,000 people bought the latest issue of THE THING, which is one of the better-written/drawn FF-related comics going. And if the original FF comic (now at #537) is selling over 120,000, I'd be stunned.
Statistically speaking, no one reads comics these days.

It reminds me of a t-shirt I saw at a convention a few years ago:
"Look out, poetry! Here comes comics!"
Sad, but true.

And were did you get those stats from, no offence but they look a bit wrong to me, surely more people than that read comic book and watch cartoons. In fact i'm pretty certain they do.

 

[Kelly]

And were did you get those stats from, no offence but they look a bit wrong to me, surely more people than that read comic book and watch cartoons. In fact i'm pretty certain they do.

I have a feeling he'll have exactly where he gets his stats....lol

BTW, he didn't give stats on those that watched the cartoon, only said more probably knew of them from the cartoons than the comics. Waiting to see sources from both sides of this little discussion. *smiles*

 

[The Thing 2005]

I have a feeling he'll have exactly where he gets his stats....lol

LOL.

 

[Malus]

And were did you get those stats from, no offence but they look a bit wrong to me, surely more people than that read comic book and watch cartoons. In fact i'm pretty certain they do.

Well, they don't. Sorry.

Now...The only current sales figures I know anything about specifically are for The Thing, which again is a terrifically written and drawn comic, but is barely selling 20,000 copies. Writer Dan Slott loves writing the book so much (and the sales dituation is so dire) that he recently began taking matters into his own hands by starting a "Pull The Thing" campaign to persuade comics fans to add The Thing to their pull lists. The original posts referring to those sales figures are apparently not archived at the "World's Greastest" FF message board, but here's a link to one of Dan's follow-up posts, thanking people for helping:
http://www.comicboards.com/fantasticfour/view.php?trd=060330094210

As for Fantastic Four, the last time I saw sales figures on it was when I was a comics retailer and creator, so I had double the motivation to keep up with such things. Diamond Distributors doesn't officially release circulation figures, but rather ranks titles on their Top 300 on a scale. If you knew the actual sales figures for any given comic on that top 300, you could then extrapolate the approximate sales of any other comic on the list. The last time I checked (about 5 years ago) Fantastic Four was selling around 120,000, and that was just before Waid took over, I believe. I seriously doubt that FF is currently selling over 140,000. I could be wrong, but not by much.

The cartoons are another story. I have no idea how many people watched any of the various FF cartoons over the years. But they generated more awareness in the public's minds than the comic books, that's for sure.
I mean last time I checked, the top-selling comic book atop Diamond's 300 was barely above 175,000. And that, as I said, was five years ago.
Judging by the number of comics stores that have closed since then, and the overall mood of other creators I still know in the field, the situation has only worsened.

It's one reason Hollywood doesn't give a crap what us "fans" think of their mistreatment of our beloved faves, whether they be DC, Marvel, Dark Horse, or whatever.
Because we are an inconsequential number.
Okay, so Tim Story is one of us. Kevin Smith is one of us. Some of the producers and writers that do "Lost" are some of us. (And at least 3 of the male leads.) And that's really great, because probably the biggest reason our faves don't get warped and trampled more than they do is that guys like Sam Raimi know the source material and fight the good fight with the brainless suits at the studios.

I have a feeling he'll have exactly where he gets his stats....lol.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

 

[Mr. Socko]

FF2 would kill the Transformers.

 

[Mr.fantasticGuy]

Like I said transformers is one of the most popular toys out there has a hit comic book and is very popular in japan. everyone who watched and grew up with the show will see it and takes there kids. With a new toy line and tv show rumored to come out transformers is going to be big. It also has one of the biggest director in the industory helping to work on it as a producer. Transformers will be big. Star wars big.

Ummm..okay u really need 2 get your facts straight...1st of all...yes it is one of the most popular toys...though definately not as popular as back when it was 1st introduced in the 80's...transformers has lost much of its momentum and fan base through the years and hasn't kept its core audience as well as other compettitors such as say..power rangers...secondly i don't know where u are getting your info about a rumored tv show..there is already a tv show that comes on weekly on cartoon network and has been on there for quite some time...and that show actually is the reason why the franchise is losing fans...its not as good as the original 80's show...so i definately don't see transformers being star wars big by any means...it may do semi-well at the b/o its opening weekend..though i truely think that FF2 will surpass its numbers...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well, they don't. Sorry.

Now...The only current sales figures I know anything about specifically are for The Thing, which again is a terrifically written and drawn comic, but is barely selling 20,000 copies. Writer Dan Slott loves writing the book so much (and the sales dituation is so dire) that he recently began taking matters into his own hands by starting a "Pull The Thing" campaign to persuade comics fans to add The Thing to their pull lists. The original posts referring to those sales figures are apparently not archived at the "World's Greastest" FF message board, but here's a link to one of Dan's follow-up posts, thanking people for helping:
http://www.comicboards.com/fantasticfour/view.php?trd=060330094210

As for Fantastic Four, the last time I saw sales figures on it was when I was a comics retailer and creator, so I had double the motivation to keep up with such things. Diamond Distributors doesn't officially release circulation figures, but rather ranks titles on their Top 300 on a scale. If you knew the actual sales figures for any given comic on that top 300, you could then extrapolate the approximate sales of any other comic on the list. The last time I checked (about 5 years ago) Fantastic Four was selling around 120,000, and that was just before Waid took over, I believe. I seriously doubt that FF is currently selling over 140,000. I could be wrong, but not by much.

The cartoons are another story. I have no idea how many people watched any of the various FF cartoons over the years. But they generated more awareness in the public's minds than the comic books, that's for sure.
I mean last time I checked, the top-selling comic book atop Diamond's 300 was barely above 175,000. And that, as I said, was five years ago.
Judging by the number of comics stores that have closed since then, and the overall mood of other creators I still know in the field, the situation has only worsened.

It's one reason Hollywood doesn't give a crap what us "fans" think of their mistreatment of our beloved faves, whether they be DC, Marvel, Dark Horse, or whatever.
Because we are an inconsequential number.
Okay, so Tim Story is one of us. Kevin Smith is one of us. Some of the producers and writers that do "Lost" are some of us. (And at least 3 of the male leads.) And that's really great, because probably the biggest reason our faves don't get warped and trampled more than they do is that guys like Sam Raimi know the source material and fight the good fight with the brainless suits at the studios.


Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Yes but i am also counting people who read the comic books as a child and have since stopped as fans that would go and see it. And there are a lot of them, especially here in England. I'm sure there are quite a few in the U.S as well. And though they can no longer be considered comic book readers, they were once and many of those people went to see the movie.

 

[Kelly]

Yes but i am also counting people who read the comic books as a child and have since stopped as fans that would go and see it. And there are a lot of them, especially here in England. I'm sure there are quite a few in the U.S as well. And though they can no longer be considered comic book readers, they were once and many of those people went to see the movie.

Where did you get your #'s?