The Dark Knight Michael Keaton on TDK

[Gianakin_]

I'm really confused about what you are trying to say.

Are you trying to be negative towards the people on the board who are giving him props because he supports Nolan and Bale?

I'm being "What's the big deal" towards people here, because he really said good things about movies he hasn't seen. That's all. I'm not being negative towards posters or Keaton.
I'm just saying he said nothing. He was just being courteous. With movies he hasn't seen.

 

[Gianakin_]

careful g. i feel an "ignore user" coming soon.

From you? Or from BatmanFanatic?
I think I haven't offended anyone. Right?

 

[Catman]

Even Keaton admits B89 had imperfections. Where are all the burtonites now?

Hi

Given they were over 15 years apart and there are all kinds of things to take into account, comparing Box Office between B89 and BB is pointless, some like Keaton best and some like Bale best, no biggie and no need for everyone to get worked up over it.

And some like both.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

I just got the vibe he didn't care. Personally I don't blame him. That is like bugging lenord nemoy about only Spock. Though that really is all he had going for him.

Lol. Okay thats a funny comparison.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

I'm being "What's the big deal" towards people here, because he really said good things about movies he hasn't seen. That's all. I'm not being negative towards posters or Keaton.
I'm just saying he said nothing. He was just being courteous. With movies he hasn't seen.

Ah okay. Well you know the thing is we are REALLY bored around here. So we just jumped on that and started going off on Keaton movies while we were at it

 

[Gianakin_]

Okay, where were you? "The Last Time" was a great film.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

From you? Or from BatmanFanatic?
I think I haven't offended anyone. Right?

Don't worry, he's just bitter because he got on *my* ignore list and is implying that I'll ignore you too if I disagree with what you say.

Which is not true of course.

 

[Anita18]

Sadly, I haven't seen either one of those movies.

Pan's Labyrinth is AMAZING. You MUST see it!

It doesn't even really have a message or anything, but just the sheer contrast of Ofelia's fantasy that acts as an escape from her ugly reality....

The only part that got to me when Schindler gets all caught up with how he could have sold more stuff to save more people and he breaks down.

I KNOW! I totally start bawling at that scene.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Okay, where were you? "The Last Time" was a great film.

Huh?

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Pan's Labyrinth is AMAZING. You MUST see it!

It doesn't even really have a message or anything, but just the sheer contrast of Ofelia's fantasy that acts as an escape from her ugly reality....

IMO the message of Pan's Labyrinth is the power of good vs evil and the power of innocence. The idea that you can kill someone who is good but you can't kill what they stood for or their spirit... she gave up her life and her innocence and grew up in the film, but she did it to save her brother, even though he was the son of a monster. So she died for what she believed in and her spirit returned to the fantasy. And I cried and cried and cried...

Oh and also that growing up and being "good" is about being able to make choices for yourself. She didn't always do what the fantasy creatures told her to do, but that showed she was growing up and developing will power and being strong ... which then gave her the strength to not do as she was told by the stepfather as well. Everyone who was good in the film had to have the strength to defy the authority of Nazi evil. It was beautiful! *starts crying again thinking about it* =P

 

[deathfromabove]

Don't worry, he's just bitter because he got on *my* ignore list and is implying that I'll ignore you too if I disagree with what you say.

Which is not true of course.

 

[CaptainClown]

I saw it the same way Anita did, it was her way of disconnecting herself from life.

 

[Gianakin_]

Don't worry, he's just bitter because he got on *my* ignore list and is implying that I'll ignore you too if I disagree with what you say.

Which is not true of course.

Good, 'cause I wasn't sure who I was going to get the ignoring from.
Besides, we disagree every day... (relatively) politely, so I think we've gotten used to each other's style, at least enough to not resort to ignoring.

 

[The Battousai]

Pan's Labyrinth is AMAZING. You MUST see it!

It doesn't even really have a message or anything, but just the sheer contrast of Ofelia's fantasy that acts as an escape from her ugly reality....

There's a theme present in Ofelia's part of the story that basically says to be yourself and good things will come from it.

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This is represented by the choices she makes throughout the movie from which door to unlock to whether she should trust the faun with the baby. The end result came from making her own decisions.

 

[Gianakin_]

Huh?

You said you guys were going off on Keaton's films and I offered to talk about one.
But I see you're now in a Pan's Labyrinth discussion, so I won't go any further than to say it was a brilliant film, Del Toro doesn't get the recognition he deserves and I pray that he gets to direct the 7th Harry Potter (which will be split in 2, btw) film.
I must leave for Uni, so have a nice one, everybody.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Oh and I don't mean to go off about PL... just I'm kind of obsessed with that film.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Good, 'cause I wasn't sure who I was going to get the ignoring from.
Besides, we disagree every day... (relatively) politely, so I think we've gotten used to each other's style, at least enough to not resort to ignoring.

Yah, we're very cool. You get my frequent sarcasm and I get your lost-in-translation bits =)

 

[BatmanFanatic]

There's a theme present in Ofelia's part of the story that basically says to be yourself and good things will come from it.

Spoiler

This is represented by the choices she makes throughout the movie from which door to unlock to whether she should trust the faun with the baby. The end result came from making her own decisions.

I was trying to say that and I think I used too many words

 

[Anita18]

There's a theme present in Ofelia's part of the story that basically says to be yourself and good things will come from it.

Spoiler

This is represented by the choices she makes throughout the movie from which door to unlock to whether she should trust the faun with the baby. The end result came from making her own decisions.

Hmm, yeah I can definitely see that now, looking back at it.

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Although I dunno if her decisions resulted in a "good" thing overall, but they were definitely the right things to do.

I guess what hit me most (and immediately) was just the contrast in worlds. But you do get that message, especially when the doctor says to Captain Vidal that taking orders is "what people like you do."

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I liked that doctor.

 

[BatmanFanatic]

Hmm, yeah I can definitely see that now, looking back at it.

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Although I dunno if her decisions resulted in a "good" thing overall, but they were definitely the right things to do.

I guess what hit me most (and immediately) was just the contrast in worlds. But you do get that message, especially when the doctor says to Captain Vidal that taking orders is "what people like you do."

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I liked that doctor.

See thats the cool thing about it to me. Thats why it touched me so much. Because it's like it was saying... "it doesn't matter if the choices you make result in a 'bad' outcome for you... it matters that they were the *right* choices." And her spirit went to live in the fantasy world, so it was okay.

I mean I don't know if you believe in an afterlife, but it was just a beautiful message anyway. She didn't live long but she lived for what she believed in and she saved her baby brother so her life mattered. If she didn't stick up for what she believed in, she would have become her mother, who's life really didnt matter and her mother was a shell, a pawn in the games of other people.

Ah. :heart:

 

[The Battousai]

See thats the cool thing about it to me. Thats why it touched me so much. Because it's like it was saying... "it doesn't matter if the choices you make result in a 'bad' outcome for you... it matters that they were the *right* choices." And her spirit went to live in the fantasy world, so it was okay.

I mean I don't know if you believe in an afterlife, but it was just a beautiful message anyway. She didn't live long but she lived for what she believed in and she saved her baby brother so her life mattered. If she didn't stick up for what she believed in, she would have become her mother, who's life really didnt matter and her mother was a shell, a pawn in the games of other people.

Ah. :heart:

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Vidal's rejection towards the end was the best t: The way his eye rolled up into his head still creeps me out

 

[BatmanFanatic]

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Vidal's rejection towards the end was the best t: The way his eye rolled up into his head still creeps me out

Yah, you know thats actually based on something real? I can't remember what exactly the story was but somehow the director heard from a guy who worked in a morgue or something that actually happens a lot when people get shot in the head.

Maybe why it felt so viscerally creepy.

 

[The Battousai]

Yah, you know thats actually based on something real? I can't remember what exactly the story was but somehow the director heard from a guy who worked in a morgue or something that actually happens a lot when people get shot in the head.

Maybe why it felt so viscerally creepy.

That reminded me - the CGI was integrated really well, too

 

[Super_Ludacris]

Late to the party but lol@ people saying Batman 89 is somehow superior because it was popular in the 80's? It dont matter how much money it made. POTC 3 and the Star Wars prequels made a ton of gwuap, does that make them the best blockbuster films of the past decade? Nope.

Granted B89 was groundbreaking as a blockbuster back then which I stated but the industry has changed so much. BB came out in a slump year for the cinema and still made its money ( 2nd highest grosser of Batman films, inflation be damned) despite no one outside comic book store or the internet really caring. Keep in mind in the 80s, you had like 2 or 3 big blockbusters, so everyone got hyped over just those ( especially if it was gonna be a Batman flick which hadnt been done before). Compare that to this decade (look at last summer) where there's dozens of blockbusters per summer especailly adaption/liscense franchises like comic book movies. There's more competition at the cinema and at home with DVDs and Cable etc.
And like people said, even with all that, Batman Begins is still better revired by fans and critics. I look at this film, the first 2 Spiderman, X-Men and Blade films as well as Sin City as movies that are just as important for comic book movies. So while B89 was pioneering, them other movies encompass the current golden age of comic book films and have surpassed B89 in quality to me. ( yeah there some bad ones too, but this will happen when you have this great influx of films).


How does a "low box office intake" for BB reflect its popularity when its DVD sales and online and offline/mainstream buzz for the sequel destroy that argument? lol....

smh@ these emo goth burtonites

 

[Gianakin_]

How dare you! Episode III was one of the best blockbusters of the decade!t: