The Amazing Spider-Man Michael Papajohn Returning for Spider-Man 4?

[Spiderine]

I hope this guy is just really really over-exaggerating his role or that it ends up being Chameleon or Mysterio tormenting Peter.

I don't even like that approach since that would mean Mysterio and Chameleon knows his identity.

 

[Jick]

There's chance that they'll turn him into one of the villains. I wouldn't doubt that, considering what they've done to Sandman.
If so, then they REALLY can't do a villain without being connected to Peter.

 

[Armored Avenger]

I don't even like that approach since that would mean Mysterio and Chameleon knows his identity.

So that means whatever happens it will be yet another rehash of the previous films - it will either be them reshowing the origin yet again and adding another dimension to it, or it would mean that a villain discovers spider-man's identity again.

 

[Spiderine]

So that means whatever happens it will be yet another rehash of the previous films - it will either be them reshowing the origin yet again and adding another dimension to it, or it would mean that a villain discovers spider-man's identity again.

Exactly. Which in my opinion would be unfortunate for SM4. Rehashes, retcons, repeats, reruns, whatever we all want to call it that's what it sounds like. Hopefull it isn't.

 

[DarkReflections]

my theory is that papajohn will still play the burgler/accused killer of uncle ben, and that he had survived the fall (which is bs i know) and that his cellmate is quentin beck. so because of that they make an alliance for a brief period in the story (just in between the beginning and middle parts) break out of jail, and carradine helps beck gets the technology he needs for his mysterio suit and to make his illusions, all of this happening up until carradine dies of a heart attack. this is what makes the most sense to me.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

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[Spider-ManHero12]

What if Carradine is actually Mysterio himself?

 

[SpideyTheBest]

What if Carradine is actually Mysterio himself?

Then I'll shoot myself.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Then I'll shoot myself.

Well, that would be bad.

Seriously though, I think Mysterio will make an illusion of Carradine. Maybe Papajohn was toying with us when he said "who said I ever died?"

 

[The Joker]

What if Carradine is actually Mysterio himself?

That would be bloody awful!!! Making him ANY villain is a bad idea.

Is Raimi so uncreative that he has to keep going back to Spider-Man 1 looking for scraps to make into storylines? Is Spidey's 40+ year history in multiple Spider-Man comics not enough for him?

Honestly, the more I hear about Carradine's role in SM-4, the worse it sounds.

 

[SpideyTheBest]

Well, that would be bad.

Seriously though, I think Mysterio will make an illusion of Carradine. Maybe Papajohn was toying with us when he said "who said I ever died?"

Yes and that means that he knows Spider-Man's identity. Which means that ALL the villains in this franchise will know his freaking identity!

I still don't understand why they will bring him back from the dead? Why not bring Doc Ock back or heck, I even prefer them to make Venom return instead of this loser that nobody really cares about.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

That would be bloody awful!!! Making him ANY villain is a bad idea.

Is Raimi so uncreative that he has to keep going back to Spider-Man 1 looking for scraps to make into storylines? Is Spidey's 40+ year history in multiple Spider-Man comics not enough for him?

Honestly, the more I hear about Carradine's role in SM-4, the worse it sounds.

I'm doubting he's a Villian though. Hmmmm, this is kind of hard. I mean, a flashback isn't really a possible event is it? I mean, not after what was said today. As I said, the best bet is that it's an illusion of some kind.

 

[Venom'sDad]

The guy is dead. <sheesh> His role will be another flashback tying him and Flint to someone or future villain... paving away for Sandman's return or something.

 

[UltimateJustin]

You have to think like Raimi to figure this one out. The Spider-Man movies are supposed to one-up each other every time. Everything has to be bigger, there has to be more. If you're Raimi, having Carradine return in the fourth one could result in quite an explosive forgiveness sequence, maybe even surpassing the forgiveness scenes in part three. Thus, a good movie will have been made.

 

[LightningFlash]

What if Carradine is actually Mysterio himself?

Haha, well. Leave it for Raimi to do that.

A pathetic flashback would be better than that I suppose.

But then a dance scene would be better than both, even though I hate to admit it.

 

[UltimateJustin]

MJ even referenced his death in SM-3, so maybe it will just be a Chamelion or Mysterio thing. Or a massive, pointless retcon. I'd rather Spider-Man take on The Raccoon instead of another retcon.

 

[samsnee]

It'll prob be a retcon. All this reminds me of when Anthony Michael Hall was cast in TDK and everyone thought he was Riddler and then turns out he was barely in the movie. So it's probably much ado about nothing. Hopefully. I mean, they can't change Parker's origin anymore, can they?

 

[Reikowolf]

Well it might be a way to fix a huge plot hole they created in SM3

Peter Parker is Spider-Man

Spider-Man exists because of the guilt Peter Parker felt for the death of this Uncle; had he not felt that guilt and learned the lesson about power and responsibility, he might have just become a super powered celebrity (which was incidently a What if? that ended with the death of Daredevil).

In SM3 they shifted the blame of Uncle Ben's death to Sandman.

This took away Spider-Man's guilt as he now had nothing to do with the death of his uncle. Peter was at this point driven by revenge.

At the end of the movie, Peter forgives Sandman; this takes away the want and need for revenge.

One could argue he still acts out of the memory of his uncle, but this can only go so far as he no longer has the weight of inaction on his shoulders

The comics have been very adamant about how Peter cannot take a night off or turn the other way because it could result in a death he could have prevented.

It will be interesting how this plays out.

But with what Papajohn says, it's enough to speculate a retcon at this point.

 

[The Joker]

What a kick in the ass it'll be to SM-3 if they are retconning Uncle Ben dying by Sandman's hand. It'll render the whole revenge/forgiveness plot Peter had with Sandman totally moot.

 

[chaseter]

I am quickly loosing all hopes that SM4 will be good.

 

[Reikowolf]

Well, you gave transformers 2 a 7/10. Rotten tomatoes has it at 21%

So based on those standards, I would say that Spider-Man 4 will be good.

Now, if compared to say.. the Dark Knight... then it has a lot to compete with.

ps. can someone tell me why the pretender (human) decipticon was necessary? and why kidnap the Witwiki's at all? it didn't help them capture Sam in anyway.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Well... I'm a little late for this party and I don't want to judge Raimi to early... (I said he deserves another chance, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt)... BUT...

Nothing about this guy returning sounds good... It'd actually sounds pretty stupid...

 

[Reikowolf]

I recall a few years back coming soon posting:

"Heath Ledger is the Joker"

fans went apesh!% with protest on how stupid of an idea it was.

but look where we are now.

anything could happen.

 

[COMPO]

well if Spider-man's driven by the fact that he could have stopped his uncle dying the fact that it wasn't his fault doesn't really change that seeing as it could have been his fault, it still could have been the robber he didn't stop that did it.

But yeah I would rather the mysterio or Chameleon just toy with Spiderman, but I would rather it be a major villain pulling their strings yet not telling them who spider-man is like GG coming back.

 

[luke1234]

I am quickly loosing all hopes that SM4 will be good.

dude really? there is absolutely no confirmation on anything yet.