Millar and Gough are leaving the show!

[b24]

IMO smallville's clark does have some infleunce on people's lives in a positive way (many pople will disgaree on that)

for eaxmple beginning of this sesaon lana lang was suppsed to be full of vengeance and all of that

but when clark showed his disapoitment in her in episodes like persona, wrath and Siren lana lang wanted to change becuse of clark

she her self said to lionel that "she is changed because of clark"

same goes for Martha in prototype when clark infleunced her to help people as a senetaor


also lionel is changed because of clark

i think most of these smallville characters would've been either dead(for example lex in episode 1) or there lives wouldnot have been on right tack for example kents, chloe etc

i see episode "apcalypse" bringing up this issue since episode is about AU where calrk never met them with these people

so clark does have superman quality like giveing hope and having infleunce on people but sometimes his "BDA" moments overshadow his that quality i hope that changes in coming episodes

 

[superboy13]

IMO smallville's clark does have some infleunce on people's lives in a positive way (many pople will disgaree on that)

for eaxmple beginning of this sesaon lana lang was suppsed to be full of vengeance and all of that

but when clark showed his disapoitment in her in episodes like persona and wrath lana land wanted to cgange becuse of clark

she her self said to lionel that "she is changed because of clark"

I don't really see how Lana's changed, though. She keeps saying it, but I'm not buying it. I see that just as a way for the writers to show this supposed influence Clark has on her.

same goes for Martha in prototype when clark infleunced her to help people as a senetaor

I thought that Martha was trying to keep Jonathan's dream alive, more than doing it because of Clark.

also lionel is changed because of clark

That was more of an accident that because of Clark's strength as a character.

i think most of these smallville characters would've been either dead(for example lex in episode 1) or there lives would've been on right tack for example kents, chloe etc

I like to think it's the other way around with the Kents. Clark is who he is (or he's supposed to be?) because of their strong moral upbringing.

i see episode "apcalypse" bringing up this issue since episode is about AU where calrk never met them

That might be cool, yeah.

so calrk does have superman quality like giveing hope and having infleunce on people but sometimes his "BDA" moments overshadow his that quality i hope that changes in coming episodes

Definitely.

 

[jr24tw]

Best thing they could have done is a 13 episode finale Season. This would not only force them to skip filler episodes and concentrate on what's important. But it also might make it possible to get ALL cast for the whole Season, main and supporting cast, including Lois and Kara.

It would have been the smart thing to do. But that's just how I see it.

 

[mellyM]

Best thing they could have done is a 13 episode finale Season. This would not only force them to skip filler episodes and concentrate on what's important. But it also might make it possible to get ALL cast for the whole Season, main and supporting cast, including Lois and Kara.

It would have been the smart thing to do. But that's just how I see it.

I doubt the network would let them cut their potential revenue almost in half like that. but I don't mind filler eps, and I really don't want to see Kara in every episode, she honestly not needed that much.

 

[triplet]

My god... Can I go nowhere without spoilers?

Thanks, superboy. Yet another thread I can't go in.

 

[superboy13]

My god... Can I go nowhere without spoilers?

Thanks, superboy. Yet another thread I can't go in.

W-Wha? What did I say?

 

[Mikelus]

People whining about Clark Kent being a BDA expect a 21-22 year old young adult to be perfect just because he has superpowers? He's not even Superman yet! Talking about being irrational, you bet that if we got some perfect Clark on the show people would whine about how "predictable", "boring" and "boy scout" the character is. Having Clark always making the perfectly correct and right choice every single time he is confronted with a problem is not realistic. Mr. Goodie-two-shoes would have become extremely tedious and dull about after the first season. It is the fact that we have seen the wrong decisions Clark has made and the repercussions from those decisions that has made his journey more interesting.

The final five episodes of S7 seem to be good, but the way it will end depends on a few things, if Michael and Allison are out, then the season finale "Arctic" could be the last one for both as regular cast members. If they are staying, then the cliffhanger is going to be different of course. Then a S8 of 20 or more episodes, without Lex or just a few episodes, I don't think could work unless they bring some interesting supervillains or guest stars, is not going to be easy to handle.

 

[superboy13]

People whining about Clark Kent being a BDA expect a 21-22 year old young adult to be perfect just because he has superpowers? He's not even Superman yet! Talking about being irrational, you bet that if we got some perfect Clark on the show people would whine about how "predictable", "boring" and "boy scout" the character is. Having Clark always making the perfectly correct and right choice every single time he is confronted with a problem is not realistic. Mr. Goodie-two-shoes would have become extremely tedious and dull about after the first season. It is the fact that we have seen the wrong decisions Clark has made and the repercussions from those decisions that has made his journey more interesting.

There's a difference between making bad decisions, which I'm totally cool with, specially if you're 20 years old. But there are things that are just not right. Remember in Fracture, when Clark went to rescue Kara and Lois? He supersped right in front of the bad guy, and instead of just knocking him out easily, like he did with Lois (tap on the head?) a couple of seasons ago, nooooo, he had to go and toss him around pretty aggresively, and SMILE! And let's not forget about this:

... he would have killed Lionel if MM wouldn't have shown up. I could expect this from the 15/16 yr old Clark (and not even then, really), but he should know better by now.

 

[Lemaris]

Was this posted yet? I apologize in advance if it was.

Craig in response to recents comments from Emi -

"Since Darkseid is NOT in "Apocalypse," I think that should prove that Emijayne has no idea what she's talking about when it relates to Smallville.

However, the Superman Homepage's report is consistent with everything I've heard - although on the subject of budget cutting, they DO still want Michael and Allison next year.

I also don't know where the insistence that they want Tom for JLA comes from. The movie division is much more powerful than the TV one. If the movie people wanted Tom for JLA, they would NOT be doing a Season 8.

An eighth season of a show is inherently going to be less profitable because ratings will be lower... and the CW's success or lack thereof might not help.

ER is about to enter its 15th or 16th season and they're taking major budget cuts too.

Ideally they probably should have ended the show with seven seasons rather than suffer losses. But, without the Al and Miles salaries, chances are better that they can re-sign MR and AM, and keep the money on-screen."

 

[Prison Mike]

so the supermanhomepage info is right according to Craig? he knows a lot about the show stuff I'll believe him whatever he says.

 

[Lemaris]

^Yeah unfortunately that's what it looks like.

 

[Mikelus]

Superboy, eres argentino?

Well, don't forget this is television and many things are exaggerated for dramatic effect. Anyway, we could argue that Lionel being a MB and Clark being tired of his wrongdoings, he had a very human reaction, I'm not saying he was right, but is understandable under the circumstances.

Thanks for posting Craig's comment Lemaris, I knew the info from Superman Homepage made sense, more than Emi's false rumors.

 

[superboy13]

Superboy, eres argentino?

Si, señor.

Well, don't forget this is television and many things are exaggerated for dramatic effect. Anyway, we could argue that Lionel being a MB and Clark being tired of his wrongdoings, he had a very human reaction, I'm not saying he was right, but is understandable under the circumstances.

It's understandable if you're an average joe... but damn, this guy can change the course of mighty rivers, so he has to have a little more self-restraint.

 

[Mikelus]

Que bien, conozco unos cuantos argentinos, locos y buena gente que son. t:

I agree with you, but TV is about drama (more drama + ratings), so having a pissed Clark going after Lionel creates controversy and fans talk about it on forums. Is not really a question of age, but character. I would've made the scene differently though, like Clark asking very angrily about the truth (without using physical violence) and MM appearing before Clark loses control.

 

[Lemaris]

Superboy, eres argentino?

Well, don't forget this is television and many things are exaggerated for dramatic effect. Anyway, we could argue that Lionel being a MB and Clark being tired of his wrongdoings, he had a very human reaction, I'm not saying he was right, but is understandable under the circumstances.

Thanks for posting Craig's comment Lemaris, I knew the info from Superman Homepage made sense, more than Emi's false rumors.

I've been saying for a while that the things Emi posts about Superman/Smallville don't make much sense and seem more like the wishful thinking of a fan.

I wish the stuff about the budget cuts wasn't true but it looks like it is.

 

[superboy13]

Que bien, conozco unos cuantos argentinos, locos y buena gente que son. t:

Jajaja, si, suena como nosotros. Y vos sos...?

I agree with you, but TV is about drama (more drama + ratings), so having a pissed Clark going after Lionel creates controversy and fans talk about it on forums. Is not really a question of age, but character. I would've made the scene differently though, like Clark asking very angrily about the truth (without using physical violence) and MM appearing before Clark loses control.

I can definitely understand that, but I agree, your alternative would have been a wiser choice when you're doing a Superman TV show... he's not Jack Bauer.

 

[Showtime]

Was this posted yet? I apologize in advance if it was. Craig in response to recents comments from Emi -

I was under the impression that there was some type of rift forming, my own opinion based on the statement, but I am surely not suprised that Jayne got this wrong...

 

[Mikelus]

^ Show, it happened to me last year when I believed her "facts" about WB wanting Welling for Superman, I got tired of it, all she does is spread rumors and manipulate the information she has, sad but it seems to be the case. Craig Byrne (K-Site) is far more reliable.

 

[Showtime]

^ Show, it happened to me last year when I believed her "facts" about WB wanting Welling for Superman, I got tired of it, all she does is spread rumors and manipulate the information she has, sad but it seems to be the case. Craig Byrne (K-Site) is far more reliable.

I am well aware of some of her inconsistencies, luckily never payed attention to it from the beginning.

My thoughts on Gough and Millar leaving came strictly from my own twisted mind. A lot of times when these guys say they are leaving, there is usually more to it and that was my assumption. I wasn't really aware of what Jayne, Craig, or Steve said until well after my original post somewhere in this thread.

 

[b24]

There's a difference between making bad decisions, which I'm totally cool with, specially if you're 20 years old. But there are things that are just not right. Remember in Fracture, when Clark went to rescue Kara and Lois? He supersped right in front of the bad guy, and instead of just knocking him out easily, like he did with Lois (tap on the head?) a couple of seasons ago, nooooo, he had to go and toss him around pretty aggresively, and SMILE! And let's not forget about this:

... he would have killed Lionel if MM wouldn't have shown up. I could expect this from the 15/16 yr old Clark (and not even then, really), but he should know better by now.

u do know that in 1st issue of suoperman he was throwing people away aggressively so it's not that differnt

and clark on smallville is NOT superman yet

 

[Whiteflag]

I don't believe everything that SHH and Craig say. They are clearly biased when it comes to AG/MM. It's clear that Tom and AG were not exactly in the best of terms this year and there's more to AG/MM leaving the show than just budget issues, I'm sure of that.

 

[Olea]

Thanks for posting Craig's comment Lemaris, I knew the info from Superman Homepage made sense, more than Emi's false rumors.

I'm not going to argue if Emi is right or wrong but I will say this. Both SHP and K-Site webmasters have Gough on speed-dial and keep getting info and interviews from him and calling it insider sources.. Would they ever report that the Wb tossed them on their ass and risk losing their contacts?

Just something to ponder....

 

[heliorei]

Now I see why so many people loathe SHP. Half of that article is complete bull.

- Warners makes more dinero off Smallville than CW; they've always been willing to chip in extra coin to the tune of millions of dollars if and when necessary - and indeed they HAVE!

- Kreuk and Rosenbaum's absence next year has nothing to do with budget and everything to do with those thesps not wanting to re-up their contracts. It makes me wonder how that makes Welling feel, especially after he's been rumored to have turned down roles because he didn't want to put the SV cast and crew out of work? Things to ponder.

- Kreuk is returning for a few episodes next season because she has to, not because she's doing Warners, her co-workers or the fans any favors. She was contracted for a set amount of episodes in S7 but couldn't do them all because of Street Fighter. She'd be in breach of contract if she didn't come back. Lucky us.

- Mack's limited S8 contract may have something to do with her character not being as important to the story of Clark Kent becoming Superman, which after seven years, is something they will finally get around to next year. *fingers crossed* If it was a budget issue, LV wouldn't be back at all. Indeed, if it was a budget thing, CW wouldn't have given SV an early pick-up. SV may be their highest rated scripted skein, but it's also their most expensive. Why jump to the renewal when they could have waited a little longer? Doesn't make any sense. And that part about Mack being "prepared to walk?" Walk where? To the unemployment line? Think people, think!

- While I'm sure network mandates like the Stride infommercial was exasperating to G&M, product placement as a means to off-set budget is something producers have learned to accept ever since ET phoned home.

- G&M leaving their own show with only one more year to go because of "budget cuts," instead of ending it at seven years the way they wanted to (like every other show that ends on their own terms) makes me Laugh. Out. Loud. But folks can go ahead and keep believing what Younis prints; I'm sure he got the skinny direct from Gough himself.





I have e-mails and PMs to return to folks. Sorry for the delay; I'll be responding to everybody soon.

Agreed on Kreuk’s part. The only probem I see right now is the Us.dollar which is weak right now, when compared to other times. Even Steven DeKnight said in his myspace blog, back in the sixth season there were some budget difficulties considering the U.S dollar was losing its value.

I’m not sure why would Allison want to leave since her character has gained much importance on the show: Chloe works at the Planet, hás a relationship with Jimmy and she hás done some work to oliver besides the obvious help gives to Clark. Not only it showed her character has progressed through the series but gained importance as well, besides the obvious economical stability for Allison.


Although I do believe CW wants to do some budget cuts, I do believe they want to bring MR in some capacity, even if it is just 8 or 11 episodes. We already know what Aussielo said about Descent,

Spoiler

about one of the characters dying, probably Lionel and that means one less mouth to feed

. Another thing was Gough and Millar always pushed for Smallville to have an eight season, always saying, back in the sixth season, they still had ideas for two more years.

I think they were definately kicked out when they presented the ideas for the eighth season, like Lori Lemaris…



For the eight season, I would incorporate new “Old” characters: what about the return of Perry White? It makes sense for him to show up since Lois and Jimmy are working at the Planet. Have a 13 episode contract for him

Brainiac? James Marsters said he would love to return for the eight season of Smallville. Another 13 episode contract.


Erica Durance should probably be promote to do a full season since MR and KK will be at tops, guest stars.

 

[mellyM]

Now I see why so many people loathe SHP. Half of that article is complete bull.

- Warners makes more dinero off Smallville than CW; they've always been willing to chip in extra coin to the tune of millions of dollars if and when necessary - and indeed they HAVE!

- Kreuk and Rosenbaum's absence next year has nothing to do with budget and everything to do with those thesps not wanting to re-up their contracts. It makes me wonder how that makes Welling feel, especially after he's been rumored to have turned down roles because he didn't want to put the SV cast and crew out of work? Things to ponder.

- Kreuk is returning for a few episodes next season because she has to, not because she's doing Warners, her co-workers or the fans any favors. She was contracted for a set amount of episodes in S7 but couldn't do them all because of Street Fighter. She'd be in breach of contract if she didn't come back. Lucky us.

- Mack's limited S8 contract may have something to do with her character not being as important to the story of Clark Kent becoming Superman, which after seven years, is something they will finally get around to next year. *fingers crossed* If it was a budget issue, LV wouldn't be back at all. Indeed, if it was a budget thing, CW wouldn't have given SV an early pick-up. SV may be their highest rated scripted skein, but it's also their most expensive. Why jump to the renewal when they could have waited a little longer? Doesn't make any sense. And that part about Mack being "prepared to walk?" Walk where? To the unemployment line? Think people, think!

- While I'm sure network mandates like the Stride infommercial was exasperating to G&M, product placement as a means to off-set budget is something producers have learned to accept ever since ET phoned home.

- G&M leaving their own show with only one more year to go because of "budget cuts," instead of ending it at seven years the way they wanted to (like every other show that ends on their own terms) makes me Laugh. Out. Loud. But folks can go ahead and keep believing what Younis prints; I'm sure he got the skinny direct from Gough himself.


.

There's nothing implausible about what Supermanhomepage reported, Craig pretty much backed them up, and since he has direct access to G&M he should probably know. It happens all the time to shows that have been on as long as SV, its a shame and they probably should have ended it this season, but hopefully they can pull off a decent 8th season. I just hope Michael agrees to return

 

[superboy13]

u do know that in 1st issue of suoperman he was throwing people away aggressively so it's not that differnt

You do know that Superman has evolved since his first issue in 1938, right?

and clark on smallville is NOT superman yet

He's 21 years old, he's not a 7 year old kid who can't control his actions. I don't care if he doesn't have the cape on yet, he should act a little more Superman-ish now. He's shown it at times, but there are others where you just get the feeling he'll never ge there.
This conversation reminded me of when Clark shoved Knox into a power generator, and he had seemingly died. He didn't look really traumatized by that later when he talked about it with Lex, did he?