The Dark Knight Montoya was a pleasant surprise...

[Yr Blues]

Was her name Montoya? I only saw the movie once so far. A nice nod to the animated series, I thought. Nolan and co. sneaking in more female characters, like the Judge, made for a better experience.
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Okay, I think she is Montoya, but a more human, realistic version. She's close to Gordon, there is some sympathy for why she did what she did, and she lives to fight another day.

It became more obvious after my second viewing.

 

[bkey]

Thats not Montoya. The girl in TDK is named Anna Ramirez.

 

[The Mighty Wind]

Seeing the movie it makes a lot of sense why they named the character Ramirez.

 

[bkey]

Yeah, TMW, they are nothing alike.

 

[Yr Blues]

Seeing the movie it makes a lot of sense why they named the character Ramirez.

I guess it was a slight nod. Why do you say it made sense?

 

[samsnee]

Because if they named her Montoya like the comics, and then had her be a dirty cop, when in the comics she's one of the few good ones, fans would have been complaining.

 

[Luchastyle]

because montoya is a good cop. and ramirez was crooked

edit: beat me to it, samsnee =D

 

[Hole Shot]

I guess it was a slight nod. Why do you say it made sense?

Because Montoya is one of the "good cops" in GPD and Ramirez was crooked. Montoya wouldn't do what Ramirez did in handing over Harvey and Rachel and then Gordon's family, even if she was threatened.

 

[Venom 1988]

I guess it was a slight nod. Why do you say it made sense?

slight nod to what?

edit- nevermind misread some messages

 

[Yr Blues]

Thanks guys. I'll definitely watch more closely. When I saw her, I immediately thought of Montoya.

 

[Spider-Bat]

At first I thought it was Montoya and got all happy then I heard the name, but it's ok, 'cause she was a bad guy anyway.

 

[Crook]

They could have easily transferred the crooked cop persona to someone else though. I don't see why the Latina cop HAD to be a baddie.

 

[P.F. Geraci]

Originally they were gonna have Montoya as a character in the film but then they decided against it.

 

[BatoutofHell]

They could have easily transferred the crooked cop persona to someone else though. I don't see why the Latina cop HAD to be a baddie.

...because it served the story?

 

[DW4]

Its not Montoya.

Ramirez was based off Montoya though.

 

[P.F. Geraci]

They could have easily transferred the crooked cop persona to someone else though. I don't see why the Latina cop HAD to be a baddie.

Look at the whole criminal underground of Gotham. It was like Hands Across America. No particular race really got pinned to the bad guy persona.

 

[Crook]

...because it served the story?

Not what I was getting at. I said the corrupt cop role could have transferred over to someone else, which it easily could have, while maintaining Montoya as a good-hearted rookie.

Look at the whole criminal underground of Gotham. It was like Hands Across America. No particular race really got pinned to the bad guy persona.

I know. But that white cop (who was preparing to beat down on Joker) wasn't depicted as corrupt, so I feel that could have been switched up if they had wanted to. It's not like either of those roles were so big they'd have to come up with a rewrite.

 

[Yr Blues]

Okay, I think she is Montoya, but a more human, realistic version. She's close to Gordon, there is some sympathy for why she did what she did, and she lives to fight another day.

It became more obvious after my second viewing.

 

[BatoutofHell]

But why would they? If your point is about race, I think it offensive to reduce people, even characters in movies, to their respective races.

 

[Yr Blues]

But why would they? If your point is about race, I think it offensive to reduce people, even characters in movies, to their respective races.

Yeah, I would like to see an african-american Batman.

 

[Crook]

I'm not making this about race.

Comics: Latina woman. Cop. Good.
TDK: Latina woman. Cop. Bad.

All I was saying that if they wanted to, they could have easily swapped those 2 differences to make a nod to one of the more famous characters in the lore. I don't know much easier I can explain it.

 

[CaptainClown]

I want to see Montoya in the series, but not like Rameriez. I like my lesbian cops to be uncorrupted.

 

[X-Ray]

Was her name Montoya? I only saw the movie once so far. A nice nod to the animated series, I thought. Nolan and co. sneaking in more female characters, like the Judge, made for a better experience.
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Okay, I think she is Montoya, but a more human, realistic version. She's close to Gordon, there is some sympathy for why she did what she did, and she lives to fight another day.

It became more obvious after my second viewing.

The way Harvey was talking about her in his office with Gordon. It seems that she has been dirty way before they (Joker/Mob) got to her mom.

I don't think we'll be seeing anymore of her. I see Gordon giving her the boot from his selected unit and bringing in Montoya.

 

[BatoutofHell]

I'm not making this about race.

Comics: Latina woman. Cop. Good.
TDK: Latina woman. Cop. Bad.

All I was saying that if they wanted to, they could have easily swapped those 2 differences to make a nod to one of the more famous characters in the lore. I don't know much easier I can explain it.

Well, you sort of are, but I understand its only through the two characters, being a commonality between the two.

I guess that they did want to make the nod the the character but make it their own. I would also make the argument that she wasn't really "bad" in that sense. Actually I had much more sympathy for her than the guy the Joker gets with the glass.

Her mother being sick to the point of it being an issue big enough to make her betray Gordon and Dent. You can tell when she puts Dent in the car to be taken away she really regrets what shes been forced to do to, that being having to choose between her mother and her loyalty. In my opinion a much more interesting character than Montoya. Actually, since she survives Two Face, I'd like to see her back if they make a third film.

 

[Yr Blues]

The way Harvey was talking about her in his office with Gordon. It seems that she has been dirty way before they (Joker/Mob) got to her mom.

I don't think we'll be seeing anymore of her. I see Gordon giving her the boot from his selected unit and bringing in Montoya.

Perhaps, but Ramirez would be a stronger character if she redeemed herself. Montoya would not be as complex.