The Dark Knight More from Ledger

[Cinemaman]

So can I accuse you back of hating some movie you never stated to hate and you'd be ok?



I stated what I thought of Ledger words and you went calling me a BB hater out of the blue. You paved this way now you seem uncomfortable with it.



That was my only point. It took you 24 hours to admit I was right.



As most people here I'm not ionterested in his opinions but just his job.
Now IF he's gonna say something he should learn some manners before insulting a genre and his fans.



You probably think that sounds cool. But yes, nice way to avoid answer and sound cool.



And that doesn't guarrantee a good result. Same was with Bale. Bale's work did guarrantee a good result, not his words.

Sigh.

Give me a break.

I didn't want to sound cool, jeez, dude, you should better calm down.

Were you in the future? Will he pull it off? All he said was "Joker will be..." and that is his vision. He just told what to expect from it.

And the same can happen with Ledger.

If it was just promoting, then why didn't he say that he loved comic books?

I think you are very pesimistic or even moody to TDK.

Why I think so?

Well, everything what you said is just the way to explain that you didn't like BB (oh c'mon, if you didn't like almost all aspects in this movie, I doubt you liked it so much) and you don't expect something good from it's sequels.

Also, you protect Burton's movies just like I do this with Nolan's. But I just say that for me Burton's also had some positive aspects (if it isn't true, then why I gave both his movies 8 out of 10).

 

[LadyVader]

An opinion can be expressed in many ways. Compare: "I've never thought I'd do a comic book movie. They are just not my favourite genre. I don't happen to enjoy them as much as other movies. Batman begins is the exception. I liked what Nolan did with it."
to
"I f***ing hate comic book movies. They bore the s**t out of me. But I liked what Nolan did with Batman Begins".

 

[El Payaso]

If you´re not interested in the guy´s opinion, only his job, why don´t you wait for his job and ignore his opinions?

Because he was insulting to comic book genre and his fans.

I´d say most people here are very interested in his opinions and, from your constant posting, so seems to be you.

At least mot people say they want to see the results more than words.

Once again, I'm interested in answering his insulting words. When he had said that Joker will be more dark I haven't said a thing except - maybe - that I think that sounds great.

 

[Fenrir]

If you´re not interested in the guy´s opinion, only his job, why don´t you wait for his job and ignore his opinions? I´d say most people here are very interested in his opinions and, from your constant posting, so seems to be you.

Let's not forget what Marlon Brando thought of his role in Superman. When all is said and done, the only thing that ultimately matters is the performances and the final product.

 

[Cinemaman]

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[El Payaso]

Sigh.

Give me a break.

I didn't want to sound cool, jeez, dude, you should better calm down.

Stop accusing me of being a hater when I am not and we'll see.

Were you in the future? Will he pull it off? All he said was "Joker will be..." and that is his vision. He just told what to expect from it.

Don't you think to state 'will be' is pretty much to think you have been in the future?

I think you are very pesimistic or even moody to TDK.

Why I think so?

Well, everything what you said is just the way to explain that you didn't like BB (oh c'mon, if you didn't like almost all aspects in this movie, I doubt you liked it so much) and you don't expect something good from it's sequels.

Link me to where I have been pessimistic about TDK or stop making accusations.

Also, you protect Burton's movies just like I do this with Nolan's.

And this says it all.

Since YOU are like this with Nolan you immediatelly assume everybody is like you and therefore you can accuse and make statements about what I think, love and hate, instead arguing the points on the movies.

Ledger words are insulting, I don't know what he meant and can't say what he was thinking, but he was insulting in his words, which anyone can read.

If I state that and have Ledger's wn words to back myself up, you can't reply saying I hate BB or TDK, etc, since I have never said/wrote those words.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

An opinion can be expressed in many ways. Compare: "I've never thought I'd do a comic book movie. They are just not my favourite genre. I don't happen to enjoy them as much as other movies. Batman begins is the exception. I liked what Nolan did with it."
to
"I f***ing hate comic book movies. They bore the s**t out of me. But I liked what Nolan did with Batman Begins".

The impression I got from reading it, fell somewhere in between the two options you stated.

 

[Cinemaman]

Stop accusing me of being a hater when I am not and we'll see.

What? I am not trying to say this. Oh my god, I really need a break.

Don't you think to state 'will be' is pretty much to think you have been in the future?

What? I've just given you this question.

Link me to where I have been pessimistic about TDK or stop making accusations.

You are now. You are saying that Ledger is just trying to promote TDK. Also, as I remember, you said that you don't like Nolan's take on Batman with this "realism". I can go on, but I just don't want to have a waste of time.

And this says it all.

Since YOU are like this with Nolan you immediatelly assume everybody is like you and therefore you can accuse and make statements about what other people think, love and hate, instead arguing the points on the movies.

Ledger words are insulting, I don't know what he meant and can't say what he was thinking, but he was insulting in his words, which anyone can read.

If I state that and have Ledger's wn words to back myself up, you can't reply saying I hate BB or TDK, etc, since I have never said/wrote those words.

Sigh.

I have already said that I am listening to opinions of other posters. I am not so pro-fan like you are. I am not trying to change everyone's opinion. It is just argue and that's all.

You see this now. Yeah, he was so, but again, he said truth. He isn't another guy, who will be saing something like "I like comic book movie and this one will be the best one".

Yeas, you didn't. BUT you SOUND like you DIDN'T (not hate) LIKE them and don't see anything positive.

You prefer more Burton's take and that is enough to understand you.

 

[Vile]

I dont care if he hates comic book movies, or he considers them the Second Coming of Christ...

As long as he and Nolan bring us a great Joker...party on.

One has NOTHING to do with the other. Dont take it personal, guys.

 

[ultimatefan]

Because he was insulting to comic book genre and his fans.



At least mot people say they want to see the results more than words.

Once again, I'm interested in answering his insulting words. When he had said that Joker will be more dark I haven't said a thing except - maybe - that I think that sounds great.

No, he said what he likes and what he doesn´t, which he´s entitled to. Disliking a type of movie has nothing to do with insult.

 

[El Payaso]

What? I am not trying to say this. Oh my god, I really need a break.

Don't what? me. As a reply to my opinion on Ledger's words you push this BB - unexistant - hatred. Cheap.

You are now. You are saying that Ledger is just trying to promote TDK. Also, as I remember, you said that you don't like Nolan's take on Batman with this "realism". I can go on, but I just don't want to have a waste of time.

And this is THE FIRST time I say something negative - and NOT about TDK but Ledger's words.

So, it's no excuse to state I have an historial of BB and TDK hatred.

I refer to my expresions on 'realism' below.

I have already said that I am listening to opinions of other posters. I am not so pro-fan like you are. I am not trying to change everyone's opinion. It is just argue and that's all.

And I'm defending myself and trying to keep the debate on what Leger said and not in who hates what movie. I was trying to keep it on-topic and not personal.

You see this now. Yeah, he was so, but again, he said truth. He isn't another guy, who will be saing something like "I like comic book movie and this one will be the best one".

I'm not against him saying he doesn't like comic book movies but please do it in a non insulting way.

Yeas, you didn't. BUT you SOUND like you DIDN'T (not hate) LIKE them and don't see anything positive.

ALL I have said about realism in BB is that there's no such thing as realism in BB but a serious tone, which i cannot see as a sign of hatred or 'not liking' something, but to put the right word where it belongs.

By saying things like having clichés in BB was nothing wrong I think I prove I'm not hating everything in BB, since I didn't call that a 'negative thing'. YOU were the one understanding that as a negative thing IN SPITE I specifically said it wasn't. Your problem, not mine.

I state there WERE clichés, opposite to 'there weren't' as you said. At most it shows that I can be objective enough to point out a flaw without saying the movie is bad.

You prefer more Burton's take and that is enough to understand you.

No. That's your personal excuse to call me hater and discredit my words based on prejudice. Hater, burtonite, whatever it serves you better.

 

[Cinemaman]

^^^

Look, I will be honest with you and I'll say that I am tired with you.

It just looks like you didn't read what I wrote.

And ultimatefan was right, now I can understand him.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

*And it was at this point, that Cinamaman discovered he had been PWNED by a troll*

 

[Cinemaman]

*And it was at this point, that Cinamaman discovered he had been PWNED by a troll*

What?

If I am tired to repeat one and another thing 100 times to the guy, who doesn't want to read what I am writing, it doesn't mean I loose this argue.

 

[Infinity9999x]

http://batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

"He's going to be really sinister and it's going to be less about his laugh and his pranks and more about just him being a just a f***ing sinister guy."

This comment still scares me a bit. Everytime I read it I keep getting the feeling that they won't show much of the Joker's crazy personality. Yes he is a sinister guy, but you have to have the laugh and the pranks, or else it's not the Joker, it's just another bad guy who likes to kill people.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

I'm with Ledger. I hate comic book movies. I f***ing hate them. They bore the ***** outta me!

 

[Boom]

And they're just dumb.

 

[raybia]

New from BOF


Ledger on The Joker -- Again!
Author: Jett
Wednesday, September 13, 2006 - 12:34 PM: After being silent for about a month since word broke that he’d been cast as The Joker in THE DARK KNIGHT, Heath Ledger has talked quite a bit about nabbing the part here of late. Here’s the latest from MSN.COM:

It's Ledger's next role as Batman's nemesis The Joker in Chris Nolan's "The Dark Knight" that has fanboys' tongues wagging. Ledger says he hasn't paid attention to the scuttlebutt on the Web about his casting and wasn't that surprised to get the offer from Nolan.


"When he explained to me the angle he wanted to take, I was like, 'Yeah, I could do that,'" Ledger says. "[Nolan's] going to make it a lot more sinister, and we've got a little plan for him, but it's exciting. Any opportunity to don a mask is always exciting to me."

[BATMAN (1989)] was dominated by Jack Nicholson's acclaimed performance as the psychotic villain, but Ledger isn't intimidated by his predecessor's turn.

"I love, love, love what Nicholson did," Ledger says. "[But] his performance was catering to the style of directing the movie was made under. It was a Tim Burton film. It wasn't Chris Nolan."

Got a little plan for him eh? Can't wait to see what it is...

http://www.batman-on-film.com/batmovienews.html

 

[Dark Knight]

I dont care if he hates comic book movies, or he considers them the Second Coming of Christ...

As long as he and Nolan bring us a great Joker...party on.

One has NOTHING to do with the other. Dont take it personal, guys.

Exactly.

 

[Thespiralgoeson]

Any opportunity to don a mask is always exciting to me."

Better get ready for the barage of posts screaming that the Joker doesn't wear a mask...

 

[raybia]

Better get ready for the barage of posts screaming that the Joker doesn't wear a mask...

Well, its hard to imagine that Nolan would be that stupid and especially with Goyer by his side to have the Joker wear a mask of some sort...unless he is incorporating in some of the Red Hood origin.

That would be the only acceptable thing.

Personally, I think its just an expression that Ledger is using.

 

[HalloweenRes]

You know, Ledger has mentioned the "Mask" issue again this week. According to Batman on Film, Ledger has said, and I quote, "When he [Nolan] explained to me the angle he wanted to take, I was like, 'Yeah, I could do that...' [Nolan's] going to make it a lot more sinister and we've got a little plan for him, but it's exciting. Any opportunity to don a MASK is always exciting to me."
Ok, he has stated TWICE now about wearing a "MASK." Now, I don't know about all of you, but it sounds like he will be wearing a MASK at some point in the movie.. And please correct me if I'm wrong (as I don't read many comics.. did when I was younger though), but didn't Joker start out as a character called, "The Red Hood??" Perhaps Nolan and company is going to incorporate the Joker's origin in there somehow. Who knows. Just some food for thought. However, as I stated, I do believe that Ledger is talking about a literal mask. Again, he might not be, but he has now mentioned the mask TWICE... Guess we will have to wait and see.
On the subject of him not being a comic book movie fan, who cares? I mean, sure, it doesn't sound good when an actor says he "f***ing hates comic book movies", but that is how he feels. I think he could have just said, "I don't care for comic book movies" but hey, as long as he portrays a sinister, psychotic, bad ass Joker, then who cares what he thinks??
Jason B.

 

[raybia]

You know, Ledger has mentioned the "Mask" issue again this week. According to Batman on Film, Ledger has said, and I quote, "When he [Nolan] explained to me the angle he wanted to take, I was like, 'Yeah, I could do that...' [Nolan's] going to make it a lot more sinister and we've got a little plan for him, but it's exciting. Any opportunity to don a MASK is always exciting to me."
Ok, he has stated TWICE now about wearing a "MASK." Now, I don't know about all of you, but it sounds like he will be wearing a MASK at some point in the movie.. And please correct me if I'm wrong (as I don't read many comics.. did when I was younger though), but didn't Joker start out as a character called, "The Red Hood??" Perhaps Nolan and company is going to incorporate the Joker's origin in there somehow. Who knows. Just some food for thought. However, as I stated, I do believe that Ledger is talking about a literal mask. Again, he might not be, but he has now mentioned the mask TWICE... Guess we will have to wait and see.
On the subject of him not being a comic book movie fan, who cares? I mean, sure, it doesn't sound good when an actor says he "f***ing hates comic book movies", but that is how he feels. I think he could have just said, "I don't care for comic book movies" but hey, as long as he portrays a sinister, psychotic, bad ass Joker, then who cares what he thinks??
Jason B.

You are right. He has mentioned it twice, so Ledger may be actually talking about a literal mask. If so, then it has to be related to his origins as the Red Hood, though at the end of BB, its confirms that he is already calling himself the Joker.

Again, I don't think Nolan is stupid enough to do something radically different from what has been portrayed in the comics, SO this will be rooted from the comics.

 

[El Payaso]

^^^

Look, I will be honest with you and I'll say that I am tired with you.

It just looks like you didn't read what I wrote.

And ultimatefan was right, now I can understand him.

You're just tired of your own game.

You accused me of being something I am not. Then you can't stand me proving you wrong on that.

Go and hide behind any member you choose.

 

[Retroman]

If Katie Holmes had said the same thing about comic book movies would people be defending her like they are Ledger? Honestly.