Super_Ludacris
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we go hard (no homo) in these thread debates son...
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Super_Ludacris said:And thats my point it hasnt aged really well, and other people are saying this, so cant say people are wrong for thinking that.
Super_Ludacris said:And I was trying to say I think people embraced burton's movies because back then it was either there first time seeing back when they were young or it was the first Batman movie and they were happy it wasnt Adam West.
Super_Ludacris said:But you cant fault people for thinking it's inferior.
Super_Ludacris said:All the time people use Burton's movies to say they were great because they were better than Schumacher's stuff or that Burton conveyed a well stylsed movie. But with advances in the genre and BB turning out for many as the best Batman movie you cant fault others for thinking Batman wasnt all that when you consider what it could have been.
Super_Ludacris said:It's still wackest scene in the movie hands down. What was it's purpose? To scare Vicki Vale? Where was the opportuinty to show Joker doing some crazy.
Super_Ludacris said:Sure but what I've been saying is what happens when you compare both worlds? What comes out? Even though Batman was and could be associated with Fantasy, Nolan manage to redefine the character from a mainstream POV back to how he's been in some of the more gritty graphic novels and stories which define him (Tim Sale/Jeph Loeb's work, Jim Lee, Grant Morrison or even the old 70's books from Adams that brought him back from the 60's camp. They always captured a sense of authenticity or were written if a very believeable way which allowed you as the reader to not have to believe it's that much of a fantasy world). Fantasy is always been a part of his stories but when you compare the realism is so much better.
I'm aware about subtext anyone who realise on style is gonna use subtext through iconography to tell a story. But it was like I was telling CConn, subtext and stylised iconography do not neccessairly mean great films.
Super_Ludacris said:If anything it showed how fantasical theatrics breed in a fantasy world. It wasnt REAL darkness. Real darkness is Joker coming in poppin a woman and instead of killing her he makes her suffer being paralysed as a message to Batman that's a dark move.
"Kill a nygga and dump em, you sayin nothin/Kill a nygga and leave em breathing now you sayin something/leave there spirt wheezing"- Jay-Z
Super_Ludacris said:It's not though when you compare, all you gotta ask is who told a more clearer, intresting and consice Batman stories. Maybe cause then the older one looks flawed it might leave a fan confused like "damn it really wasnt all that when...when you look at it like this" but nah It aint hard to tell.
Super_Ludacris said:Well you heard and saw wrong lol as usual lol. Batman Begins seems to get better watch everytime I watch it, I like it. The fact that other people support my view aint my fault, that's just a credit to someone emphatically delivering a product liked by many.
You are the one who resorted to name calling but nice attempted to pass the blame around.Batattack said:I didn't say that. If your only purpose on these boards is to go around ranting about how much you hate Tim Burton, that's pretty pointless. Go ahead and resort to name calling if you want, but thats immature.
Aw, too bad, so sad.Stupify_me said:You are the one who resorted to name calling but nice attempted to pass the blame around.
My only purpose is not to Bash Burton I have other purposes on these boards I believe this is the only thread where I even mention him because this is sort of about him.
Umm ok...Batattack said:Aw, too bad, so sad.
El Payaso said:Another POV would be it has aged really well, and other people are saying this, so cant say people are wrong for thinking that.
So since there are supporters and detractors for both movies, I guess the topic can't be closed under that argument.
El Payaso said:Yesd, you think that way. No surprise since that theory would be perfect to support your own points..
El Payaso said:Some people.
And I don't blame them. Some of them think that way, some don't.
El Payaso said:I don't blame them since if we look for the numbers, more people thought B89 was the big deal 16 years before than people did about BB last year. I know I know, numbers don't prove a thing. My point? Why defending a point talking about 'what other people think and say' then (which btw we cannot say for sure)?
El Payaso said:The movie showed Joker killing, electrocuting, and being sadic, but 16 years later that looks 'not too crazy' for some people. Sure, times change. But to say 'he didn't any crazy stuff', 'he was inoffensive', please.
El Payaso said:I'm glad Nolan is making a darker Joker but I won't look back and laugh at a 1940's comic book just because it's not what comics are today. I won't go and see a Chaplin movie saying 'Pft, he doesn't even talk.'
El Payaso said:Realism does not necessarily means great films.
El Payaso said:In 20 years the cool people will be saying the "real" Joker would be cannibal. When Joker was created, he wasn't crippling girls. He has changed adapting himself to new times, so it's useless to state how the 'real' Joker is based on recent comics. From that POV the Joker was created as not the 'real' Joker.
El Payaso said:No, you gotta ask a lot more. The story of BB was far more consice, but the dialoges and one liners were pretty cheap along with the last-minute moral maxims (why do we fall? It's not who I am underneath)
The more I see both the more balance I see between their goodies and weaknesses in both films.
El Payaso said:And BB was good and I can tell you this also.
The fact you come here to start another war in a B89 positive thread is no one faults either.