Comics Most annoying recent change?

[Chris Wallace]

What say you?

 

[Joker]

other, I've liked all the current changes

 

[daveswb]

It's hard to pick only one, but being Stark's lap dog has to be the worst.

 

[farmernudie]

#1) The Unmasking!!

(is the one most out of character for Spider-man, and is the biggest of group for shock value i'd say, to try to increase sales anyway, a puzzle piece forced into a story that didn't ever fit, imo...)


Stingers and weird new powers second i'd say....hmn....

 

[Chris Wallace]

other, I've liked all the current changes

 

[Chris Wallace]

It's hard to pick only one, but being Stark's lap dog has to be the worst.

Anybody who picks that did so b/c it led to the costume & unmasking. Convince me otherwise.

 

[shinlyle]

This is tough. I'll choose "other".

I think it's really the way he's handled as a character. We get a Peter Parker who is gullible, weak, and easily defeated by just about anyone. He's handled as an inexperienced noob over in New Avengers, he's Tony's Lap-Dog in ASM, his Uncle Ben has been brought back in FNSM (okay, I just really hate that crap), and his costume looks like a ******ed sixth-grader designed it. He's been unmasked, there are rumors that his wife's going to be killed off, and there doesn't look to be any sort of relief in sight.

The unmasking, despite the stupidity of the concept, DOES provide some interesting story ideas....but that well will run dry in no time. You can only have so many stories with that before you're left with a Spider-Man book devoid of any Peter Parker or supporting cast.

The stupid powers are pretty much ignored, so that doesn't annoy me anymore.

Over in ASM, he's changing his attitude towards Tony (finally). Also, if ASM wants my money, all they have to do is have an issdue where Peter b****-slaps Iron Man around for 22 pages....and WINS. I'll buy that.

Honestly, none of it annoys me as much anymore. I'm more or less indifferent to what happens in Spidey nowadays. Marvel's going to do what they want, and all I can do is not pay for stuff I don't like. They don't operate by what the fans think/want, and I can't blame them SOMETIMES, but so far, it seems like they're doing exactly what the majority of fans don't want, and the fans buy it anyways.

Either way, It'd take alot for me to dive back into 616 Spidey again.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Your overall post points to "Behavior", more than anything else.

 

[HoratioRome]

It's hard to pick only one, but being Stark's lap dog has to be the worst.

I have to agree. And the behavior isn't only that he's Stark's lap dog, but also the Avenger's weak link, puppy who needs to be rescued. An amateur who gets beat by Wolverine and Cap.
I was thinking about this, Dick Grayson, robin /knightwing gets more respect in the DC universe than SPider-man does in the marvel U.
that is just ridiculous.
besides ALL the other changes suck too.

 

[shinlyle]

Your overall post points to "Behavior", more than anything else.

Yeah...I probably could have put that as my reason, but yy disdain for the 616 Spider-Man titles spreads to all the areas....and it encompasses more than just his behavior.

 

[HoratioRome]

This is tough. I'll choose "other".

I think it's really the way he's handled as a character. We get a Peter Parker who is gullible, weak, and easily defeated by just about anyone. He's handled as an inexperienced noob over in New Avengers, he's Tony's Lap-Dog in ASM, his Uncle Ben has been brought back in FNSM (okay, I just really hate that crap), and his costume looks like a ******ed sixth-grader designed it. He's been unmasked, there are rumors that his wife's going to be killed off, and there doesn't look to be any sort of relief in sight.

The unmasking, despite the stupidity of the concept, DOES provide some interesting story ideas....but that well will run dry in no time. You can only have so many stories with that before you're left with a Spider-Man book devoid of any Peter Parker or supporting cast.

The stupid powers are pretty much ignored, so that doesn't annoy me anymore.

Over in ASM, he's changing his attitude towards Tony (finally). Also, if ASM wants my money, all they have to do is have an issdue where Peter b****-slaps Iron Man around for 22 pages....and WINS. I'll buy that.

Honestly, none of it annoys me as much anymore. I'm more or less indifferent to what happens in Spidey nowadays. Marvel's going to do what they want, and all I can do is not pay for stuff I don't like. They don't operate by what the fans think/want, and I can't blame them SOMETIMES, but so far, it seems like they're doing exactly what the majority of fans don't want, and the fans buy it anyways.

Either way, It'd take alot for me to dive back into 616 Spidey again.

well said,..almost exactly what I was thinking.

what Uncle Ben is back? what's FNSM?

I would LOVE a book where SM beats the Hell out of Iron man then Cap then Wolverine. Heck I've written a story where SM takes on the whole MU one at a time, and reestablishges his status in the MU as the PREMIER Marvel superhero. But for consistency sake they have to make the fight vs Iron man a very tough one. Even though he's beaten a future Iron pretty badly in the past, I think Iron man is one of the characters who presents a challenge to SM. SIMPLY because Tony is pretty well protected from harm from someone of SM's power level. So SM would have to beat him with his speed, skill, strength, and dropping big things on top of him.
Normally when SM goes up against stronger villains he can win by wearing them down with a cumulation of punches. If your 5 year keeps punching you in the face as hard as he could you WILL get hurt eventually. But with Iron man the 200th punch would have the same effect as the frst because TONY wouldn't feel it. and the armor can take it.
don't get me wrong SM can beat IM, but it has to be done well.
I don't want the same mistake made AGAINST SM to be made FOR SM.
where weaker level people just beat up those much more powerfull than them.

 

[Chris Wallace]

FNSM = Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, new ongoing monthly.
As for Uncle Ben, bear with me here.
The Hobgoblin of the year 2211, who happens to be the daughter of Spider-Man 2211, a well-respected cop & time travel enfocrement agent, went into an alternate reality to screw with past Spider-Men. In said reality, Aunt May died in an accident & Uncle Ben lived. Peter stayed in show business & became a jerk. Hobgoblin brought Uncle Ben into the 616 reality where she confronted & defeated Spider-Man (Which she wouldn't have been able to do had he been wearing his old red & blues.) Ben saw May & Jarvis out on a date & went ballistic. He attacked Jarvis, Spidey stopped it just before Hobby arrived and when it was all over, her existence was wiped from all reality & when her dad tried to take Uncle Ben back to his pwn world, Uncle Ben shot (& apparently killed) him.
Oh, & May is convinced he's an impostor.

 

[HoratioRome]

FNSM = Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man, new ongoing monthly.
As for Uncle Ben, bear with me here.
The Hobgoblin of the year 2211, who happens to be the daughter of Spider-Man 2211, a well-respected cop & time travel enfocrement agent, went into an alternate reality to screw with past Spider-Men. In said reality, Aunt May died in an accident & Uncle Ben lived. Peter stayed in show business & became a jerk. Hobgoblin brought Uncle Ben into the 616 reality where she confronted & defeated Spider-Man (Which she wouldn't have been able to do had he been wearing his old red & blues.) Ben saw May & Jarvis out on a date & went ballistic. He attacked Jarvis, Spidey stopped it just before Hobby arrived and when it was all over, her existence was wiped from all reality & when her dad tried to take Uncle Ben back to his pwn world, Uncle Ben shot (& apparently killed) him.
Oh, & May is convinced he's an impostor.

thanks Chris. It's funny but nowadays, Marvel sound more and more like the DC of old and DC is sounding more like Marvel. where you had a million different versions of the same character. You would have thought they would have learned from DC since that whole thing was a disaster that needed a "crisis" to pull it together.
but I'm a little confused. when you say HER existence was wiped from reality do you mean Aunt May's, or the New HG?
I'm just realizing you porbably mean the new Hobgoblin of 2211 and when you say her DAD tried to bring UB back you mean the SM of 2211. is that right?

 

[shinlyle]

thanks Chris. It's funny but nowadays, Marvel sound more and more like the DC of old and DC is sounding more like Marvel. where you had a million different versions of the same character. You would have thought they would have learned from DC since that whole thing was a disaster that needed a "crisis" to pull it together.
but I'm a little confused. when you say HER existence was wiped from reality do you mean Aunt May's, or the New HG?
I'm just realizing you porbably mean the new Hobgoblin of 2211 and when you say her DAD tried to bring UB back you mean the SM of 2211. is that right?

Man, you don't need tot ry and think about it too much...the writer clearly didn't out any thought into it, so why should we?

 

[Chris Wallace]

thanks Chris. It's funny but nowadays, Marvel sound more and more like the DC of old and DC is sounding more like Marvel. where you had a million different versions of the same character. You would have thought they would have learned from DC since that whole thing was a disaster that needed a "crisis" to pull it together.
but I'm a little confused. when you say HER existence was wiped from reality do you mean Aunt May's, or the New HG?
I'm just realizing you porbably mean the new Hobgoblin of 2211 and when you say her DAD tried to bring UB back you mean the SM of 2211. is that right?

Yeah. I was referring to Hobby.

 

[Captivated]

I put STINGERS/POWERS because that is part of the OTHER, which IMO, was the WORST move they have made to date.

Organic webshooters are no biggie to me. In fact, I like them. The rest of it is basically the ebb and flow of a story that is here today and gone tomorrow. Spidey WILL find his backbone again, and the resulting rift with Tony will 86 his Avenger status and the costume. The unmasking was done with every intention to undo it at some point in the future...

But the OTHER... the stingers and Spidey's new orgin/status as spider-god flunky... STILL highly offensive to me! And as far as I have read, JQ has bowed his neck and said that THAT change is here to stay. Which means more mystic spider crap will be lurking down the road.

 

[Chris Wallace]

Peter David (who writes Friendly) told me that he feels that May was the moral anchor of the whole Parker clan, so Peter & May could survive the loss of Ben a lot better than Peter & Ben could survive the loss of May.

 

[USMC]

I'll go with Behavior. Everything besides the Other farce stems from that.

Peter Parker is a big ***** now and Spider-Man is dead.

Long live Marvel. Heil JQ.

 

[Doc_OCK_4MUGEN]

I thought at first that Other had to do with The Other... that's why I voted other then I realized that other Meant OTHER reasons... well here they are...

Costume...
The Iron SPidey suit A.k.a. the Red&Gold Aberration... with tentacles...
First of all The suit looks like crap, suddenly the suit gans magical symbiote ripoff costume changing powers... Whatever happened to "My suit my colors" Spidey's now bulletproof. Back in the day he could dodge bullets...

Organics...
The first blow against Peter Parker, the character... Originally Peter devised the web shoooters, his first gadget... It's use was not only to give SPidey a means of transportation, but to give us a small glimpse of Peter's gifted intellect... Having Organic webbing dimishes that...

Stingers and the rest of the craptacular powers...
Not only he's wearing an Iron knockoff suit, he can talk to insects... The new Antman? He can stick to most surfaces with his whole body... I swear he could already do this... Night vision... Why does he have a Spidey sense for... last but not least, the evil skewers of doom... Man-Spider has teh stingerz, Wolverine-esque skewers of doom... Wait a minute!!! Spidey's not a killer! Not anymore bub! When the skewers pop out someone's gonna be kebobbed!

Behavior...
Suddenly Peter's intellect has decreased, from being one experienced fighter in the Marvel Universe he's become t3h n00b! 100 times more gullible, bigger pansy, and anyone, like a newborn baby can beat the crap out of Spidey, a guy who back in the day has fought against Juggernaut, now gets the crap beaten out by everyfrickin'body... not commenting on his yesman attitude towards the iron drunk... Y' know, the guy who went on a rampage because people were using his technology...

Living in the A-Tower...
Yay! Dissapearance of Peter's supporting cast! Now Peter has his family kidnapped in the A-tower, because he's the glorified Antman/Robin to Stark... This helps Peter into being Iron Drunk's bitc... I mean faithful sidekick...

Unmasking...
What can I say about this... It's so wrong that it's not funny... Are we talking about the same guy who was worried that anyone knew who he was... because of the deaths that this would cause... (like Gwen, Ben Reilly, Harry Osborn, etc.) The guy who crapped his pants near Norman Osborn worried of what he would do to MJ, May, the guys at the Bugle... THAT GUY UNMASKED HIMSELF IN FRONT OF THE MEDIA? Are we sure that Uatu isn't sniffing space super glue and tuned out of the 616 and we're watching the Bizarro 616?

Although I'm leaning a bit more towards behavior, Unmasking and the evil skewers of doom...

 

[Chris Wallace]

Just couldn't pick one, huh?

 

[Chris Wallace]

Right now behavior takes the lead.

 

[Red]

#1) The Unmasking

Its just so out of character of Peter.

 

[Chris Wallace]

True, but so is all his other recent behavior.

 

[Citizen_Kaine]

He's just a dumbass now. Really really grinds my gears to have Peter kiss Starks ass, and do stupid **** like wearing an obvious Tony Stark Failsafe costume, act like its MTV cribs in Tony Starks penthouse, and of course, taking off his mask, for something he obviously doesn't agree with. Oh and lets put some of the **** he did in Civil War 3 up there too. Yeah Peter often gives orders to Air Force helicopter pilots to shoot his friends.

 

[USMC]

Yeah Peter often gives orders to Air Force helicopter pilots to shoot his friends.

He did WHAT?!

OM friggin God in heaven, somebody PLEASE kill Joe Quesada.