MPAA Rating (Note: Officially PG-13)

[Darth Elektra]

Ghost Rider could have a sequel if its rated R. But Im pretty sure Mark has done said its Pg13.

 

[FlameHead]

Why does everyone insist that it matters what the rating is? I just don't get it.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Ghost Rider could have a sequel if its rated R. But Im pretty sure Mark has done said its Pg13.

Doubt it. An R rating would just cut away a percentage of its box office money therefore making a sequel ALOT less likely.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Why does everyone insist that it matters what the rating is? I just don't get it.

It doesn't. Ghost Rider can easily be fitted into the PG-13 category and still maintain everything that makes the character what he is in the comics. I guess some people automatically think that Hell and demons means R I dunno.

 

[zer00]

I'd rather have it with an R rating...I have my reasons

But if it's PG-13, you can go pretty far with that rating these days. It's more like a mini-R

Don't know why people are so up in arms about it

It's amazing what can bring a rating down

If you change blood from red to green it can bring the rating down

Since GR doesn't kill humans, very little blood is shed, besides dragging them behind his bike or anything

Demons of course can have any color blood, or not blood at all...since what would honestly be the point of a demon having blood

Of course the problem of a demon killing someone. Go back and use the old horror method, shadows or quick cuts or just leave it up to your imagination.

Like the original TCM, remembered as one of the most bloody movies ever, it of course had only some dry blood on a few walls and that was it. It was all shot in a way where the audience filled in the blanks. And of course GR or even the demons probobly won't be hanging people on meat hooks

 

[Advanced Dark]

Ghost Rider is a 120 million dollar film per MSJ. No way are they making this PG-13 when every kid on Earth is gonna wanna see that bike and GR. Now it would be nice to have an unrated DVD will some real meat in it, or have showings after 9:00 PM have an R rated Reel.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

if its 120 Mill budget that must mean Sony is really putting its bet on this movie.

 

[str8raz0r]

OK, am I the only guy who, looking thru his old GR comics, sees very little R-Rated material in their pages?

With the exception of Road to Damnation, violence was usually just the whack-pow comic variety with heavy gore being kept in the shadows.

Hell, this was back when the Comics Code Authority was still around.

As far as hell, if you look at Hell in GR, it's not particularly nasty. There's fire and demons. No screaming virgins in pentagrams being raped by goats or anything.

Seeing that GR is, as far as explicitness, pretty tame, why does everyone push so hard for an R?

I, personally, would rather have a solid story, characters I can love/hate, and a movie that satisfies my craving for entertainment. We don't need a hyper-bloody fest for that.

 

[NDX]

I can't speak for Ghost Rider volume 1, but for volume 2 the only time I recall it getting graphic was during the "No Penance!" story arc where Vengeance went ape**** berserk. Before that, the most graphic scenes were Danny's transformations in Ghostie, and I think that can be handled properly in a PG-13 movie.

 

[str8raz0r]

I can't speak for Ghost Rider volume 1, but for volume 2 the only time I recall it getting graphic was during the "No Penance!" story arc where Vengeance went ape**** berserk. Before that, the most graphic scenes were Danny's transformations in Ghostie, and I think that can be handled properly in a PG-13 movie.

Even then, looking thru 'em, it's really no worse than Danny's transformation: flesh melting off bone in that Indiana Jones sense.

GR just never hit some of the real nasty notes of some of the other Midnight Sons comics...hell, I remember some of the early issues of Morbius being pretty damn raw for a Code-approved book.

I, personally, am glad they're not making GR R-Rated, ultimately. It makes it so they have to be more creative than grotesque.

 

[armitage16]

There have been a few other discussions of this topic on this board, and I must say, I am really getting tired of the rating battle. Someone brought up in a past thread that AVP was PG-13, and it had plenty of violence, even live burning and impalement. Also, AVP was an exponentially more graphic comic than Ghost Rider. So why should there be an R rating for Ghost Rider?

For those who still aren't convinced, here's a list of adaptations with R ratings which simply haven't worked:
The Punisher--Two stars
Blade: Trinity--One and a half stars
Blade--Two stars
Man-Thing--One and a half stars
Blade II--Two stars
Highlander: Endgame--One star

Now for some PG-13 Adaptations:
Spiderman--Four stars
Spiderman Two--Three and a half stars, an oscar, and two other oscar nominations
Batman Begins--Three and a half stars and an oscar nomination
X2--Three stars
Serenity--Three stars
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring--Four stars, 4 oscars, and 13 nominations.
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers--Four stars, 2 oscars, and 4 nominations.
Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King--Four stars and 11 oscars including best picture, best director, Best original score and song.

The trend is quite obvious. Still not convinced? Fine, don't see the movie then.

 

[zer00]

*chuckles at post*

 

[Mr. Socko]

LMAO @ your first post in here Zer00.

And a 120 million production budget for Ghost Rider? Sony must be on pot and every member of the board of directors there. They're in for a loss.

 

[Mr. Socko]

There have been a few other discussions of this topic on this board, and I must say, I am really getting tired of the rating battle. Someone brought up in a past thread that AVP was PG-13, and it had plenty of violence, even live burning and impalement. Also, AVP was an exponentially more graphic comic than Ghost Rider. So why should there be an R rating for Ghost Rider?

For those who still aren't convinced, here's a list of adaptations with R ratings which simply haven't worked:
The Punisher--Two stars
Blade: Trinity--One and a half stars
Blade--Two stars
Man-Thing--One and a half stars
Blade II--Two stars
Highlander: Endgame--One star

Now for some PG-13 Adaptations:
Spiderman--Four stars
Spiderman Two--Three and a half stars, an oscar, and two other oscar nominations
Batman Begins--Three and a half stars and an oscar nomination
X2--Three stars
Serenity--Three stars
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring--Four stars, 4 oscars, and 13 nominations.
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers--Four stars, 2 oscars, and 4 nominations.
Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King--Four stars and 11 oscars including best picture, best director, Best original score and song.

The trend is quite obvious. Still not convinced? Fine, don't see the movie then.

Yeah, Ghost Rider is rated PG13 so that automatically means it's gonna get 4 stars, 20 Oscars, and 25 Oscar Nominations

 

[zer00]

LMAO @ your first post in here Zer00.

I have no idea what you meant by that

But I like your style

 

[armitage16]

Yeah, Ghost Rider is rated PG13 so that automatically means it's gonna get 4 stars, 20 Oscars, and 25 Oscar Nominations

I never said that. My claim was simply that PG-13 movies tend to do better than R-rated ones. When was the last time an R-rated action movie (excluding war movies) has done fantastically well with reviews and awards? Obviously, Ghost Rider isn't going to do awesome just because it is PG-13, but it will do better. That is for sure.

 

[Uncanny Orb]

I've seen some pretty crazy stuff in PG movies here in Canada, it seems like very few movies here are R unless there is some really steamy sex or zomies are chowing down on someones guts. Are the ratings different between Canada and the US?

 

[FlameHead]

I never said that. My claim was simply that PG-13 movies tend to do better than R-rated ones. When was the last time an R-rated action movie (excluding war movies) has done fantastically well with reviews and awards? Obviously, Ghost Rider isn't going to do awesome just because it is PG-13, but it will do better. That is for sure.

Just because something doesn't do well with reviews and awards doesn't mean it's not good. Some of the movies I love the critics absolutly hated.

I guess it all depends on what you go to movies for. If you're there to pick see if a movie is oscar worthy then, you probably wont like this movie. If you're there for a supernatural action filled ride with some very talented actors, then you probably will.

The rating does nothing to make a movie good or bad. It's just a rating.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Just because something doesn't do well with reviews and awards doesn't mean it's not good. Some of the movies I love the critics absolutly hated.

I guess it all depends on what you go to movies for. If you're there to pick see if a movie is oscar worthy then, you probably wont like this movie. If you're there for a supernatural action filled ride with some very talented actors, then you probably will.

The rating does nothing to make a movie good or bad. It's just a rating.

Yep. The Punisher is probably one of the most popular to hate comic book movies and it is personally one of my favorites. PG-13 movies make the most money because it basically means its for all ages...the middleground.

 

[FlameHead]

Me too. I love that freakin' flick and can't understand why others hate it so. Ah well, to each their own I guess.

 

[TheVileOne]

There have been a few other discussions of this topic on this board, and I must say, I am really getting tired of the rating battle. Someone brought up in a past thread that AVP was PG-13, and it had plenty of violence, even live burning and impalement. Also, AVP was an exponentially more graphic comic than Ghost Rider. So why should there be an R rating for Ghost Rider?

Alien vs. Predator was a totally neutered movie. It wasn't graphic or violent at all. There was no blood and they basically muted the famous curse/one-liner.

The movie was a piece of garbage. But hey it made $80 million.

For those who still aren't convinced, here's a list of adaptations with R ratings which simply haven't worked:
The Punisher--Two stars
Blade: Trinity--One and a half stars
Blade--Two stars
Man-Thing--One and a half stars
Blade II--Two stars
Highlander: Endgame--One star

This is one of the stupidest lists I've ever seen, why the hell is Highlander: Endgame even on this list?

Blade when it came out in 1998 was a big sleeper hit. Blade II was an even bigger one in 2002. Those movies would be nowhere near as good if they were PG-13.

Now for some PG-13 Adaptations:
Spiderman--Four stars
Spiderman Two--Three and a half stars, an oscar, and two other oscar nominations
Batman Begins--Three and a half stars and an oscar nomination
X2--Three stars
Serenity--Three stars
Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring--Four stars, 4 oscars, and 13 nominations.
Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers--Four stars, 2 oscars, and 4 nominations.
Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King--Four stars and 11 oscars including best picture, best director, Best original score and song.

The trend is quite obvious. Still not convinced? Fine, don't see the movie then.

No I'm not. Why is Serenity on the list? It wasn't exactly a bit hit.

Why name Oscar nominations are you so dense that you don't even realize that most Academy award winners and academy award nominated films are rated R?

 

[TheVileOne]

I never said that. My claim was simply that PG-13 movies tend to do better than R-rated ones. When was the last time an R-rated action movie (excluding war movies) has done fantastically well with reviews and awards? Obviously, Ghost Rider isn't going to do awesome just because it is PG-13, but it will do better. That is for sure.

That's a stupid observation. Most action movies don't even get Oscar nominations.

 

[FlameHead]

Blade is a MUCH different movie than Ghost Rider. Simply put, you cannot make a vampire movie without Blood and you cannot have a PG-13 with the amount of blood needed. This is why Blade was R.

Ghost Rider needs no blood and still be violent, therefor why not PG-13? Opens the audience up and that's what we all want isn't it; More people seeing the movie?

 

[TheVileOne]

Blade is a MUCH different movie than Ghost Rider. Simply put, you cannot make a vampire movie without Blood and you cannot have a PG-13 with the amount of blood needed. This is why Blade was R.

Well Ghost Rider is a movie about Hell and demons. And Satan's in it, so I don't really buy that argument.

Ghost Rider needs no blood and still be violent, therefor why not PG-13? Opens the audience up and that's what we all want isn't it; More people seeing the movie?

R-rated movies can draw large audiences and still make a lot of money. It's not impossible.

I care more about the movie being good than more people seeing it.

 

[FlameHead]

Well Ghost Rider is a movie about Hell and demons. And Satan's in it, so I don't really buy that argument.

R-rated movies can draw large audiences and still make a lot of money. It's not impossible.

I care more about the movie being good than more people seeing it.

I've seen movies about Satan and God and Hell and Demons and Angels that was rated G before so, I don't buy that argument.

You're right on the R rated movie thing, I don't disagree, they can and do make money. I keep saying, it's not the rating that makes a movie good, it's the movie itself. The rating is just a couple of letters and/or numbers giving it a catagory.