MPAA Rating (Note: Officially PG-13)

[FlameHead]

BG, wise as always. Very well put explinatin of Ghost Riders death past. I had no idea about Blaze and his demon killing. The Dan stuff I knew of course... and again, personally, I prefere the non death. It is far worse to live a life in pain than die.

I kinda like that Ghost Rider, a flaming demon of vengeance, can be (and is) inspiration to our own society. Most of us know that death solves nothing and it's great that our favorite comic character spreads that message.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

to say that either GR never killed would be false...he did. but it was in the early issues of both series and it was a RARE occurance. in an early issue of the 70s series GR killed a human villain w/ hellfire, there were 2 or 3 other times where he caused a human villain to be killed. ran one dude off a cliff and ran his hellcycle into a helicopter before it had a chance to dive into a nuclear reactor.
the demon Zarathos (Ghost Rider) didnt mind at all killing human beings...but it was Blaze's willpower that prevented him from doing it. the times when he did kill were when he had no choice....he wasnt being vindictive.
the 90s GR also killed but again it was RARE and happened only in the early issues. he punched one mugger in the face w/ his spiked fist and you assumed he killed him...he made one ninja stab himself w/ his own weapon. however the ninja was later revealed to be a undead creature used by Centurious and wasnt human to begin with. there was even a little arguement between GR and the Punisher where Pun was about to shoot a villain and GR stopped him saying that something to the effect that "vengeance is my mission...not death"
later in the series this point was driven home over and over again that GR would not take a human life.

what does all of this mean? well it seems GR would kill but only when he had no other choice. also it shows that this was before the writers knew exactly what to make of GR. it was suggested in a interview before the 90s series started that GR would be someting like a "supernatural punisher"...only killing when he had no other choice. but it seems Marvel didnt like the idea and nixed that point early in the series.
fans remember GR as only giving human villains the Penance Stare or buring their souls w/ Hellfire. only killling non-humans (demons/monsters) was allowed. THIS should be reflected in the movie...as it was in the comics.

as far as the PG13 rating goes...GR for the most part was always intended to be PG13. the 1995 movie was going to PG13...but when Goyer had success w/ his R rated Blade they felt they could do the same for GR. it was all set to go untill 9/11 hit and changed how films were being made at the time. many films were dropped, changed or shelved because of their violent content. GR was a casualty as the producers decided it would best if it was to be PG13 instead of R. Goyer refused and moved on...MSJ agreed to the idea and the rest is history.

Wow. Thank you. Surely Vileone has a better understanding of the character now and can accept that a PG-13 rating is sufficient.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

*And Vileone never returns when there is nothing else negative to say*

 

[Kritish]

It needs to be rated R.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

*Sighs*

I give up.

 

[FlameHead]

It's just as well.

 

[TheVileOne]

20 + year trend of successful PG-13 Superhero movies...

I'd say it's a little more then trend, it might as well be fact.

I don't really see Ghost Rider as a super hero, but I suppose the point is up for debate. There are successful R-rated comic book movies as well.

If you were 16 years old, which I'd assume you're not seeing as how you are pushing for the R rating so badly, and wanted to see Ghost Rider... think of the PG-13 rating in that sense.

I honestly never had trouble seeing an R-rated movie when I was 16. I believe few people do. I doubt it kept teenagers from seeing the Matrix movies. So I feel its a flimsy argument.

If you're saying that the movie will make that $30 million barely... and therefore might as well make it R for those people who want to see it, then you could just go watch Punisher.

I can almost guarantee you that the movie will make $100 million+ ... atleast the budget's worth.

You know, a lot of people guaranteed that Elektra would make around that much.

Sure, the movie probably won't make $200 million and more, but then again, not too many movies do -- especially with an unknown character and a R budget.

It still won't make that much with a PG-13 rating.

Maybe you should put forth the $120 million, give it the R rating, and release it to theaters not caring about how much the box office is.

I've already questioned the wisdom of spending that amount on a Ghost Rider film. The studio feels they can't release a movie with this budget with an R-rating.

But remember this... the movie industry is just that... an industry, a business. Money first, then entertainment and "fan pleasing".

Yeah and look where its getting them. Steadily declining BO sales and movie attendance EVERY YEAR.

It seems that Sony has made fine decisions with the Spider-Man franchise, so might as well let it sit.

Spider-man and Ghost Rider are two totally different beasts. And I don't see Ghost Rider having the mass broad and crossover appeal that Spider-man does.

If you want an R rated script... that is purely gore and blood and guts... check out the David Goyer script. It might not be truthful the character at all, but heck.. it has blood -- and in the end -- that's all that really matters, right?

Not really, I just don't want the movie to be restricted and butchered like Daredevil clearly was in theatres.

To make a script truthful to the character, I think PG-13 is the way to go. If you think otherwise, maybe you should go back and "re-read these issues where Ghost Rider executes people" and report back.

Well, has anyone here even read Johnson's script?

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't expect them to change it. I simply wanted to point out a lot the misconceptions made in this thread.

 

[FlameHead]

Okay Vile, you made your points. You want the movie rated R. Wonderful. We accept that but, it think it's time for you to except the fact that it's not R and will not be R. I mean, whether you like it or not, at this point, there is nothing that can be done.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I don't expect them to change it. I simply wanted to point out a lot the misconceptions made in this thread.

What about your misconception of the character?? Did you even read Biggun's little summary there??

 

[TheVileOne]

No misconceptions about R-rated movies from armitage.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Lol...can't admit when you were wrong. Fine. I can see this is going nowhere.

 

[FlameHead]

It went nowhere long ago my friend. I see no point in insisting that the movie be R when we know it's not. We've tried to explain it but, to no avail so, it's just as well we all move on.

 

[TheVileOne]

Lol...can't admit when you were wrong. Fine. I can see this is going nowhere.

Wrong about what? Ghost Rider not killing people? Because he has.

I've never once insisted the movie be rated R either.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Wrong about what? Ghost Rider not killing people? Because he has.

I've never once insisted the movie be rated R either.

No your were saying Ghost Rider was UNMERCIFULLY KILLING ALOT of PEOPLE. This statement is wrong period. Therefore lowering the argument of having an R rating. Ghost Rider ISN'T the Punisher. And you've never insisted the move be R??? Your joking right?? Pretty much every post from you is pissed about it being PG-13 therefore you insist it be R.

 

[TheVileOne]

No your were saying Ghost Rider was UNMERCIFULLY KILLING ALOT of PEOPLE. This statement is wrong period. Therefore lowering the argument of having an R rating. Ghost Rider ISN'T the Punisher. And you've never insisted the move be R??? Your joking right?? Pretty much every post from you is pissed about it being PG-13 therefore you insist it be R.

He didn't seem very merciful in an issue I read where he murdered a guy using his spiked fist on a perp's head.

And once again, I never insisted the rating be R. There's a difference between critiquing the rating and insisting on it.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I am sure there was more to it than Ghost Rider just killing a guy but okay. The character is not a killer of people but in SOME cases it has happened according to Biggun. Ghost Rider doesn't need to kill to be Ghost Rider...accept it.

 

[str8raz0r]

Ultimately, it comes down to the tone of the movie.

Dark and edgy don't necessarily construe gross excesses of violence and language, or other "R" rated content. I think the character can be dark and edgy without us seeing the most gruesome details. I mean, he's a vengeful flaming demon, fer chrissakes! I don't think you can make that particularly upbeat and "kid-friendly." Regardless of rating, I think we can get at the basics of the character without being nasty. Sure, he got a little brutal at times, but those seemed more the exception than the standard. The movie is ultimately going to be more about power struggle than anything else...between Blaze/Zarathos (or whatever they're calling it in the film), Mephisto/Blackheart, possibly Caretaker and his own demons...if they can flesh out these aspects in a PG-13 film, I'd say they did all right by me. If they can do that in an R, more power to them, but that's not the path they chose.

To everyone debating over the rating, howzabout we get back together early next year and discuss it then, when we can actually tell if it seems that the character's grittiness has been harmed by the rating/content?

 

[FlameHead]

He didn't seem very merciful in an issue I read where he murdered a guy using his spiked fist on a perp's head.

And once again, I never insisted the rating be R. There's a difference between critiquing the rating and insisting on it.

There is no proof that this punch to the face killed him. People have survived gun shot wounds to the face. The blood comes from the fact that he was punched in the face. A broken nose could have caused that amount of blood for petie's sake.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

There is no proof that this punch to the face killed him. People have survived gun shot wounds to the face. The blood comes from the fact that he was punched in the face. A broken nose could have caused that amount of blood for petie's sake.

Well the fact is I rarely have heard or know of Ghost Rider killing human beings purposely and it seems Vile is unable to grasp that and is unable to accept that he has a misconception of the character.

 

[FlameHead]

Oh well, what can you do. Perhaps he'll go out and buy a few issues and see truly what the character is about. Maybe then he'll realize that perhaps there are other people out there who may know a little more than he does.

Either way, I'm pretty sure at this point Vile is continuing just to keep under our skins.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I don't think I have EVER seen him make a positive post. He is always a critic.

 

[FlameHead]

There's one in every crowd.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't think I have EVER seen him make a positive post. He is always a critic.

I've made plenty of them. You are just being a jerk and trying to discredit me by saying I don't. Even though I post in many different sections in this community.

And it was clear from the text that Ghost Rider did indeed kill the perp. But that's not what this is. If he doesn't kill people fine, but if the content of the movie warrants something stronger than a PG-13, I simply feel they shouldn't be restricted by that. That's my opinion. Quit attacking me for it.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I am not being a jerk. Honestly pretty much every post I have seen from you has negativity in it. This is just going by what I have seen. And what content?? Hell and demons?? Big deal.