I respect you guys and all, but...I gotta defuse the Superman hate. He is a hell of a lot deeper and more interesting character then you guys have ever realized, you just have to dig into it a bit.
wolfsfang said:
I was never a big fan of Superman anyway, far too perfect and not enough flaws.
Not enough flaws? Consider this...perhaps his worst flaw...is his own strength.
Think about it--you are from another planet, having powers that make you stronger than any human being on the planet, but, you are still raised as though you're a human being. What does a human being need, when you boil it down to his psychological and spiritual needs? Affection. Friendship. Love. Lov
ing. But, because of his strength, he can never truely feel the things that he needs as a "human being." He can't shake a friends hand without worry about breaking it. He can't truely embrace his wife, and...well...I'm sure we've all heard of the shotgun theory...
The way I look at it, Superman, in a sense, does what he does not just to protect people...but to save them so that they can have the things that he can't.
That enough flaws for you?
wolfsfang said:
That is unless you count bad disguise ideas as a major flaw, but then how gullible and stupid are the rest of the characters? Look at the workers in the Daily Planet. Here is Superman, a guy they see every day, his face is everywhere, printed in newspapers, on cereal and on everything else you can think of. And then there is Clark Kent, a guy they see every day because the work with him...come on its the same guy with glasses on, how the hell don't they recognise him?
Here's a hint--Watch Superman: The Movie, espically the bit where Clark is in Lois' room. We see exactly why people don't reconize him--Superman plays Clark like a bubbling, weak, pathetic, wimp.
In that scene, he starts off with the huge rimmed glasses, back hunched down, with this almost naisal, stuttering voice. But, when she leaves, he changes in a heart-beat--he stands up straight, takes the glasses off, and tells Lois from the other room in a low, masculante voice that he has something he has to tell her, seemingly to tell her who he really is--but as soon as she comes back, he's instantly back in that weak version.
THAT is why his co-workers don't reconize him as Superman--he's so convincing at being a weak, clumsy geek as Clark that no one could possibly see him as Superman, even if he has a similar look to him.
wolfsfang said:
You know that is why I used to like the Tick, that series realised the stupidity of the situation and ran with it, you know when he used to wear a suit and tie over the top of his tick outfit but you could still plainly see it, well you could but the rest of the cast couldn't for some reason...classic. But in Superman it is supposed to be a serious disguise.
The first thing I agree with you on--The Tick does kick ass.
ARTHUR: You're insane!
THE TICK: Perhaps, or I've just gotten SANE in a CRAZY WORLD!
wolfsfang said:
Number two is Robin's, from Batman and Robin of course.
Well, if you mean the movie, then we all know how much that movie sucked.
wolfsfang said:
Yeah and what about Batman's disguise, his mask only covers half his face. That is all you need to recognise someone.
See above reason for why people don't reconize Batman (though for Bruce it's the "drunk playboy" act, not the "bumbling geek" act). Plus, he also puts on an act as Batman--look in the Keaton movies and in Begins, he always has a low growl for a voice when they're in the suit. Plus, with the night-time and his advanced martial arts moves/technology, most of the thugs think he's more of a supernatual creature than an actual person.
wolfsfang said:
If you saw, say Jim Carrey's mouth and was ask to identify the person, 90% of you would guess it was Jim Carrey.
...Or just some guy with a wierd mouth.
You're really stretching it there, my friend.
wolfsfang said:
Yet no one can look at Batman and say that is Bruce Wayne, even tho, like Superman, they see both characters every day and can make comparisons.
Not exactly. Batman only comes out at night, meaning that most of the people he knows outside of his activities (say, fellow socialites or friends) won't easily see him, and if they do, they're either convinced that the drunkard is probably out chasing tail instead of putting on the costume, or they think that Batman is a supernatural creature like the criminals.
wolfsfang said:
Now back to Ghost Rider
He has a FLAMING SKULL HEAD!!!
Yeah, it helps the secret idenity stuff when it isn't technically YOU that's doing the deeds, but a possesed demon with no idenitifying marks.
