Multiple students attacked with a knife in Pennsylvania school

[MessiahDecoy123]

Not to the point of killing, though. Adults are mean to each other as well, it's not just kids. But the majority of adults aren't killers.

Something went wrong with this kid. Until more information comes out, we won't know what exactly that was.
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Not to be antagonistic but do you think it's impossible for someone with a normal brain to resort to violence?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Neither is a bad social system.

I only suggested there could be outside factors to cause a normal teenager to lash out.

We shouldn't always be quick to blame mental illness.

 

[redhawk23]

Why can't we chalk up some events to "some people are just born ****ing insane" why do we always have to find a motive or issue to tackle because of something horrible happening?

Because scientifically people are hardly born anything other than breathing and pooping.

It is misguided to deny the capacities withing "normal" people to do seemingly crazy things.

Also, what exactly is "normal"? Things like this happen all of the time.

 

[Feenix]

Not to be antagonistic but do you think it's impossible for someone with a normal brain to resort to violence?

Depends on what you define as "normal."

"Normal" people don't just snap for nothing. This kid could be a sociopath or a psychopath, he could have a mental illness, he could have been bullied or abused, he could have been on drugs, and so on.

 

[NickNitro]

I'm a firm believer that some people...for a lack of a better term are "wired" different from birth. I feel people who can commit multiple murders, rape, especially at a young age, have serious mental issues from day 1. Something that a Fox/CNN/MSNBC News report on public schooling and how its changed for the worse can't fix.

 

[DeadPresident]

I'm a firm believer that some people...for a lack of a better term are "wired" different from birth. I feel people who can commit multiple murders, rape, especially at a young age, have serious mental issues from day 1. Something that a Fox/CNN/MSNBC News report on public schooling and how its changed for the worse can't fix.

There is almost always an environmental stressor of a sort, such as abuse, bullying, drug use, etc. A lot of studies of genetically identical twins in different social environments indicate significant emotional, mental and psychological differences determined by their environments. Biology is not the singular answer for behaviour problems.

 

[regwec]

@NickNitro

That's probably true, but I think it's important to remember that everything is a matter of degree. Some people can't bear to see someone suffer without helping them, while others haven't had a good night out unless they have made someone else suffer. Most of us, fortunately, are closer to the former, but I really don't think we all have a "good/bad" switch flipped one way or the other.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Serious question.

Is being a sociopath considered a mental illness?

A documentary I watched a while back claimed many Wall Street bankers and CEO's could be sociopaths.

Sociopaths know how to blend in and succeed. Are they only marked as crazy when they physically harm others?

 

[regwec]

Do you mean 'psychopath'?

I didn't think sociopath was really a medical term, but rather a description of behaviour.

 

[NickNitro]

There is almost always an environmental stressor of a sort, such as abuse, bullying, drug use, etc. A lot of studies of genetically identical twins in different social environments indicate significant emotional, mental and psychological differences determined by their environments. Biology is not the singular answer for behaviour problems.

I am not trying to refute the fact that people can change (for better or worse) under the effects of the environment they are in. Good people do turn bad, and some bad people do turn good. I'm just saying I feel that there are some, from day 1 that are programmed just a bit differently from the rest of society.

@NickNitro

That's probably true, but I think it's important to remember that everything is a matter of degree. Some people can't bear to see someone suffer without helping them, while others haven't had a good night out unless they have made someone else suffer. Most of us, fortunately, are closer to the former, but I really don't think we all have a "good/bad" switch flipped one way or the other.

I think its a bit more complicated than a good/bad switch, I never really said it was a switch. The brain in very complex and the wiring of such is even more. Being "wired" was a loose term because I don't truly know anything I just spew out my half minded views t:

 

[Teelie]

A sociopath can function perfectly normally in society without ever being violent or dangerous. It doesn't mean they are all violent or abusive. The definition is very debatable. It's kind of like calling someone crazy. That can mean any number of things.

The Wikipedia entry is very detailed. Short of it is there's no easy definition.

 

[Feenix]

A sociopath can function perfectly normally in society without ever being violent or dangerous. It doesn't mean they are all violent or abusive. The definition is very debatable. It's kind of like calling someone crazy. That can mean any number of things.

The Wikipedia entry is very detailed. Short of it is there's no easy definition.

The psychopath can function normally in society. There are people who are psychopaths, but are not violent. They're controlled and usually quite intelligent. One of my professors at school is a psychopath. I think Wall Street fat cats are more likely to be psychopaths than sociopaths.

A sociopath is less likely to function well in society. They're prone to violence and generally have a criminal record. They're withdrawn and awkward whereas psychopaths are charming and sociable.

As for them being mental illnesses...no. Not yet, anyways. The problem with labelling these conditions as mental illnesses is that it implies there is a cure or it can be controlled. That's not the case at the moment.

Edit: The distinction between the two isn't really too important. Most people use them interchangeably. Either way, if someone is a psychopath/sociopath, it's best to keep your distance.

 

[NickNitro]

Who are we talking about? Dexter?

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

My point was that the kid might not be crazy.

Even if he's not a sociopath or psychopath he could simply have anger issues.

 

[Hal_Jordan]

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[NickNitro]

Suspect in School Stabbing Spree Is 'Confused, Scared and Depressed'

Alex Hribal, the 16-year-old student who police say stabbed 22 people at his Pennsylvania high school Wednesday, is “confused, scared and depressed,” his attorney told ABC News in an exclusive interview.
“I think he understands what he did,” attorney Patrick Thomassey said in an interview with “Good Morning America.”
“I don’t think he at this point understands the gravity of what he did. I don’t think he realizes how severely injured some of these people are. And, hopefully, there’s no death involved in any of these. We’re praying that everybody is all right.”

Thomassey said he’s unaware of any signs of Hribal’s being bullied, adding that the teen’s parents are shocked and horrified.
“They could not have predicted that this was going to happen,” he said. “They don’t understand how this occurred.”
The stabbing spree happened at Franklin Regional High School in Murrysville, a suburb located about 20 miles east of Pittsburgh. Morgan Ritchey, who said she had two classes with Hribal, described him as being “a little misunderstood.”

http://gma.yahoo.com/suspect-school...ssed-115319444--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1

 

[Teelie]

Edit: The distinction between the two isn't really too important. Most people use them interchangeably. Either way, if someone is a psychopath/sociopath, it's best to keep your distance.

That is part of the problem. The terms get used interchangably and frequently with no regard to proper usage or even accepted usage. I can't keep straight which is still a valid condition and which is outdated.

 

[terry78]

By all rights if you get angry real easy you could be labeled as such.

 

[Feenix]

Suspect in School Stabbing Spree Is 'Confused, Scared and Depressed'

Alex Hribal, the 16-year-old student who police say stabbed 22 people at his Pennsylvania high school Wednesday, is “confused, scared and depressed,” his attorney told ABC News in an exclusive interview.
“I think he understands what he did,” attorney Patrick Thomassey said in an interview with “Good Morning America.”
“I don’t think he at this point understands the gravity of what he did. I don’t think he realizes how severely injured some of these people are. And, hopefully, there’s no death involved in any of these. We’re praying that everybody is all right.”

Thomassey said he’s unaware of any signs of Hribal’s being bullied, adding that the teen’s parents are shocked and horrified.
“They could not have predicted that this was going to happen,” he said. “They don’t understand how this occurred.”
The stabbing spree happened at Franklin Regional High School in Murrysville, a suburb located about 20 miles east of Pittsburgh. Morgan Ritchey, who said she had two classes with Hribal, described him as being “a little misunderstood.”

http://gma.yahoo.com/suspect-school...ssed-115319444--abc-news-topstories.html?vp=1

A little misunderstood? If I heard a high school student describing another student that way, I would think what they really meant is that he was a loser and not well liked and probably got picked on.

 

[Ant-manic]

i've developed an acute dislike of post-violence interviews. it's just incredibly annoying to me when someone says they could never have predicted this. because i think it's a reflexive lie. it's just something you say so that society doesn't judge you for being the father, mother, or sibling of a violent offender.

 

[Ant-manic]

The psychopath can function normally in society. There are people who are psychopaths, but are not violent. They're controlled and usually quite intelligent. One of my professors at school is a psychopath. I think Wall Street fat cats are more likely to be psychopaths than sociopaths.

A sociopath is less likely to function well in society. They're prone to violence and generally have a criminal record. They're withdrawn and awkward whereas psychopaths are charming and sociable.

As for them being mental illnesses...no. Not yet, anyways. The problem with labelling these conditions as mental illnesses is that it implies there is a cure or it can be controlled. That's not the case at the moment.

Edit: The distinction between the two isn't really too important. Most people use them interchangeably. Either way, if someone is a psychopath/sociopath, it's best to keep your distance.

"Psychopaths are born with temperamental differences such as impulsivity, cortical underarousal, and fearlessness that lead them to risk-seeking behavior and an inability to internalize social norms. On the other hand, sociopaths have relatively normal temperaments; their personality disorder being more an effect of negative sociological factors like parental neglect, delinquent peers, poverty, and extremely low or extremely high intelligence."

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Psychopath_vs_Sociopath

i kind of doubt that this kid (loser though he may be) fits either label.

 

[Paradoxium]

Was the kid on any prescribed medication.

 

[Ant-manic]

Was the kid on any prescribed medication.

Stabroxim?

 

[Paradoxium]

Been noticing a lot of the shootings, the shooters were on some kind of meds. Like Fort Hood, it was Ambien. Look at the symptoms.

paranoia
quick to react or overreact emotionally
rapidly changing moods
seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not there

Attack, assault, or force
delusions
dementia
thoughts of killing oneself or changes in behavior

 

[Enriquespy]

Stabroxim?

Naively goes to google that...