My plan for Phase 4 and beyond!

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For this, I’m going to assume Disney gets the rights to The Fantastic Four and their villains.

Black Panther: Invasion of Wakanda

A spaceship emerges from the clouds above Wakanda. Onboard is a Super Skrull, wielding a mysterious totem that gives him the powers of the four elements (earth, water, wind and fire.) It’s up to Black Panther and his former classmates at the Future Foundation to find a way back in to Wakanda to save his people!

This movie should introduce the Skrulls, the Fantastic Four, and Doctor Doom. At the end of the film, it is revealed that the entire event has been orchestrated by Doom to attain the Elemental Totem that empowers the Super Skrull. However, this fails and the totem empowers the Fantastic Four instead. In the resulting explosion, Victor’s face is minorly scarred and he retreats to Sokovia.

Iron Man: Forge

Tony Stark finally gets a shot at the real Mandarin, only to discover that it is the Ten Rings is now led by none other than Dr Doom! After a freak accident transports them back to the Middle Ages, they must work together to get back to the present day. Along the way they meet many faces that seem very familiar…

This would basically be a retelling of Doomquest. However, I think it would be even more fun to have the Arthurian legend characters be Asgardian characters under some sort of spell by the Enchantress. King ArTHUR/Thor, Loki/Lancelot, Odin/Merlin, Morgan le Faye/Amora the Enchantress. There could also be a big twist regarding Tony but I will cover that in the BACKGROUND section below.

Captain America: Fourth Reich

In another time turning catastrophe, Steve Rogers wakes up in the floating city of Atlantis! The year is 1959 and The Red Skull has claimed control of the entire surface world, including Steve’s home city of Brooklyn. But resistance is growing, and a flaming figure flies above Brooklyn skies…

This would basically be a chance to look at the Silver Age of Marvel. Steve Rogers touches the Tesseract and becomes stuck inside it, where it turns out that Red Skull has been all this time. He was the first new arrival since The Atlanteans, eons ago.

The Invaders (starring Captain America, Namor, Agent Carter and Howard Stark as the Human Torch) devise a plan to lay siege to Hydra’s capitol city. Eventually, Steve realizes that almost everything inside the Cube is some weird amalgamation of him, the Atlanteans, and The Red Skull’s imagination. Thus, the only way to truly defeat the Red Skull is to leave the Cube, and his past, behind. He convinces the Atlanteans to leave with him, leaving Red Skull alone with his imaginary world inside the Tesseract.

She-Hulk (Netflix)

As the consequences of the Sokovia Accords roll across the globe, some of S.H.I.E.L.D.’s best and brightest find themselves facing trial. Leading their defense is She-Hulk, super-powered attorney, and she’s not happy!

Although it will serve as an introduction of She-Hulk, this series would also be a good chance to explore the pasts of Black Widow, Hawkeye, and Nick Fury. The movies have gotten too “big” to do this for these characters, I feel. Basically, the plot is that they are on trial for crimes committed as part of S.H.I.E.L.D. Could also do the trial of Spider-Man as an amazing cameo.

Obviously, by starring big actors that are usually only in the films, it would probably only be financially feasible to be four to six episodes, but would be a really neat and groundbreaking move for Disney/Marvel...and as long as I’m talking about it, I really hope Daredevil season 3 or 4 has the Trial of the Hulk!

Doctor Strange: Triumph and Torment

Desperate to bring his mother back to life, Dr Doom comes to the good doctor for help. Not really anything to spoil here, just filming a straight retelling of this amazing graphic novel would be great!

BACKGROUND
Feige has stated that all of Marvel’s characters already exist in the MCU and that we’ve just yet to point the camera in the direction of some. Black Panther and Spider-Man are a great example of how seamlessly that turn of the camera can be.

Let’s talk about Dr Doom and the Fantastic Four. Although it would be easy enough to simply introduce them as new players, it would be more satisfying to show how they grow out of the setting that has been established so far. I have come up with a background for Doom that makes him, not just a villain, but a representation of many different things to several major players in the MCU.

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In his younger years, Tony Stark was carefree and careless.

One night he met a girl named Cynthia. They spent a few fun months together until, to their surprise, Cynthia became pregnant. A few days later, Cynthia woke up alone. As days went by, she realized she would never hear from Tony again.

But soon after Victor was born, Cynthia met a handsome, worldly man who seemed to take a real interest in her. Still, having had her heart broken by Tony, she refused to give in to his advances unless they were married.

This frustrated the man, as he could not give of himself to another. For that man was actually Mephisto. And so, for many years, as Victor grew older, Mephisto repeatedly tried, and failed, to seduce Cynthia. Each time he visited, he spent much time with her and, in this way, Mephisto slowly became somewhat of a father figure to Victor. Mephisto entertained Cynthia with his magical tricks and even taught Victor the basics of the art, all in the hope that one day he will would wear Cynthia down. But although she spent much time with Mephisto, and learned much about the dark arts from him, she managed to remain good and use the powers for good whenever she could.

At the same time, Cynthia was open with Victor about his real father, Tony Stark, and Victor looked up to Tony as a role model. Victor studied hard to become an engineer, hoping one day to be hired by Stark Industries and meet Tony himself.

One day, while Victor was at school, in a final effort to have her, Mephisto revealed his true identity to Cynthia...but it only horrified her. And so, in a fit of rage, Mephisto killed her. When Victor came home, Mephisto showed himself for who he really was and told Victor that his mother had sold her soul to him. Mephisto, as always, was too proud to admit that he was bested.

Victor despaired and vowed, deep in his mind, to one day become stronger than Mephisto and bring his mother back to life. This brought a smile to Mephisto’s face.

But for the time being, Victor, now an orphan, began to make a name for himself as a healer and inventor. As he grew and his peers begin to go to high school, he was found by recruiters from The Future Foundation, far away in New York City. They thought he had great potential and wanted to offer him an opportunity. Noticing that this would bring him one step closer to meeting his father, Victor left his home behind.

Victor made many friends at The Baxter Building, particularly Susan Storm, daughter of co-founder Franklin Richards. The Future Foundation, although Franklin’s idea, was largely funded by King T’Challa and the sovereign state of Wakanda, which allowed them to go beyond many parameters usually imposed on schools. In this way, Victor was able to research and explore more fields than he would have thought possible.

After a few years together, Susan and Victor developed strong feelings for each other. But Victor was also aware of a method in the dark arts, and so he devised an evil plan. As days and months went by, Victor lulled Susan into a sense of security and, when she could bear the secret no longer, she timidly admitted her love to him. Victor, to her shock, coldly rejected her advances and humiliated her, acting as though she were a fool for ever believing he was interested in her. As he returned to his room and tears fell down his face, his power in the Dark Arts greatly deepened and widened. And as Susan’s heart was shattered, his hardened. Susan turns to her friend Reed for comfort and, when he found out what happened, Franklin approached a recruiter at Stark Industries.

After many years at the Baxter Building, one of Victor’s dreams became reality as he received an offer of employment from his father’s company, Stark Industries. He happily accepted, and quickly began to climb the ranks. Soon, he found himself passing his own father in the hallways, or hearing his voice over a conference call. Maybe soon it would feel right to tell Tony who he really was...

It was instead an almighty shock when he woke one day to find that Tony had been abducted while out giving a weapons demonstration(1). The Ten Rings, an organization that had plagued the very streets Victor had grown up on, had now taken his father too. Immediately taking a leave of absence, Victor got in touch with old friends, infiltrated the The Ten Rings, and attempted to locate his father. But soon enough, and to his shock once more, he saw that Tony had escaped on his own and had become something known as Iron Man.

Victor was relieved, but found it difficult to untangle himself from the Ten Rings. And so, he decided to use the group to his advantage. It was during this time that Victor honed his physical and mystical combat skills, and soon he became a leader, eventually meeting and being taught by The Mandarin himself. When he had learned all that he could, Victor convinced The Mandarin to allow him to return to Stark Industries as an inside agent. Once there, Victor exploited his position to great profit, and soon he had bought up a significant share of the company.

And then...Ultron. Sokovia(2).

Victor watched as Tony avoided accountability for the disaster. He saw how simply Tony abandoned the people of Sokovia after Ultron’s defeat. He noticed that Tony’s relationship with his lover, Pepper Potts, seemed to trouble him much more than all those who were still homeless and hungry as a result of his actions(3). Victor became disillusioned with his father.

Although Stark Industries had little to do with Tony anymore, his name alone was enough to cause the stock price to plummet during the aftermath, and Pepper sought distance from Tony in the turmoil, choosing to step down as CEO. Victor, already a board member from buying so many shares, and having exhibited a technical prowess matched only by Tony himself, was named her successor. Finally, after so much time, Victor felt worthy of sharing the truth of his identity with his father….but suddenly, he could not see the point.

Stark’s stock price continued to fall, and Victor orchestrated a faux theft of their warehouses by The Ten Rings, in reality selling the weapons outright. This caused Stark Industries’ stock price to sink to an all-time low, and Victor used his profits from the sale itself to buy all outstanding shares of the company and re-privatized it, becoming the sole owner. He then shocked the world by announcing construction of a new global headquarters and massive manufacturing plant in Sokovia(4).

The effort succeeded, revitalizing Sokovia’s economy and bringing amazing wealth to the suffering country. Victor became a hero to the people, and won election to President of Sokovia by a wide margin.

Over the years, Victor accomplished many other feats. He harvested the adamantium corpse of Ultron Prime, using it to build himself a suit of armor. He built upon the designs of the Iron Legion, creating AI soldiers in his own image: the Doombots. He plotted his hostile takeover of the Ten Rings, to reclaim all the assets he had sold to them over the years and exploit their wide network of influence(5).

All the while, Victor delved ever deeper and deeper into the mystic arts, searching for a way to defeat Mephisto. He protected his people and his nation’s resources with the cutting edge of weapon tech, running Stark Industries, his stolen birthright, out of his own fortress, in a country nearly immune to superhuman intervention due to protections and clauses within the Sokovia Accords.

Underneath it all, he hides a secret that connects him to Tony Stark, the cornerstone of the MCU. He is Doctor Doom!
  1. Iron Man
  2. Avengers: Age of Ultron
  3. Captain America: Civil War
  4. Black Panther: Invasion of Wakanda
  5. Iron Man: Forge
If you read all this, I really hope you enjoyed it, or at least liked some of the ideas presented. I guess it's obvious that I'm a big fan of the MCU! Please let me know your thoughts below
 
I imagine all of the following films are in the cards for Phase Four:

Avengers 5
Black Panther 2
Captain Marvel 2
Doctor Strange 2
Guardians of the Galaxy 3
Spider-Man 2

As you can see, we're looking at a lot of sequels. They're going to need to find some new IPs to bring in.

God willing, they'll get the Fantastic Four rights back by 2022. And if we're even luckier, things will work out to where they get Namor back as well. So Phase Four could end up looking a bit like this:

Avengers 5
Black Panther 2
Captain Marvel 2
Doctor Strange 2
Fantastic Four
Guardians of the Galaxy 3
Namor
Silver Surfer
Spider-Man 2
 
Doctor Strange 2
Avengers 5
Black Panther 2
Fantastic Four
Namor
Guardians of the Galaxy 3
Silver Surfer
Spider Man 2
 
--- 2020 ---
FEB Black Widow (Supporting: Hawkeye)
MAY Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
NOV Doctor Strange 2 (Supporting: Wanda)

--- 2021 ---
MAY Iron Man 4
AUG Spider-Man 3
NOV Antman & Wasp Sequel

--- 2022 ---
FEB Captain Marvel 2
MAY Avengers 5
OCT Nova
 
Really want a Nova movie. I think you could do a cool space cop or space army (Platoon/Saving private Ryan).

Tonally make it serious. Nova centurion investigating a case. Buddy cop thing. Space noir. Or an army rescue mission.

I just don't want a copy paste of Guardians but with Nova make over.
 
2020

April- Doctor Strange 2
May- Avengers 5
July- Black Widow solo film
November- Black Panther 2

2021

March- Fantastic Four solo reboot film (Disney gets rights back)
May- Guardians of the Galaxy 3
August- Iron Man 4
November- Spider Man 2

2022

February- Captain Marvel 2
April- Ant-Man & Wasp sequel (Ant Man 3)
July- Namor solo film
November- Silver Surfer solo film
 
4 movies in a year? That could be interesting, but I would take it with no doubt.
If a 4th film of T/IM/Cap should happen, we Need 4 spots I fear.
 
I think we're all in agreement that someway somehow Marvel needs to wrangle the F4 rights from Fox for Phase 4, right?

2020

FEB: Black Panther 2: a darker, more personal story with higher emotional stakes and introduces Reed Richards in a Supporting Role.

May: Doctor Strange: The rise of Mordo.

Aug: The Fantastic Four Reboot: reintroduces the team but it is not an origin story. They all already have their powers but have been helping people in secret.The movie is about their coming out party, how they all band together and show the world who they are and they become celebrities. No Dr. Doom in this but he will be teased in the post credits. Villain is the Mole Man.

2021:

FEB: Captain Marvel 2

May: Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 3

AUG/ Fall: Spider-man 2: Guest starring Johnny Storm from F4 assuming their movie is a hit.

2022:

FEB: FANTASTIC FOUR 2: The Silver Surfer comes and warns of the coming of Galactus. The F4 square off against him and lose and it ends on a cliffhanger to be picked up on in:

MAY: AVENGERS: Annihilation featuring The F4, Doctor Strange, Antman, The Black Panther, Captain Marvel and the return of THOR going up against Galactus and stopping him from eating earth.

Nov/ December: THE BLACK WIDOW: After May's epic blowout, we end phase 4 on a smaller, unexpected note with a small intimate spy thriller film with Natasha at the center and guest starring Clint.
 
I think we're all in agreement that someway somehow Marvel needs to wrangle the F4 rights from Fox for Phase 4, right?

2020

FEB: Black Panther 2: a darker, more personal story with higher emotional stakes and introduces Reed Richards in a Supporting Role.

May: Doctor Strange: The rise of Mordo.

Aug: The Fantastic Four Reboot: reintroduces the team but it is not an origin story. They all already have their powers but have been helping people in secret.The movie is about their coming out party, how they all band together and show the world who they are and they become celebrities. No Dr. Doom in this but he will be teased in the post credits. Villain is the Mole Man.

2021:

FEB: Captain Marvel 2

May: Guardians of the Galaxy vol. 3

AUG/ Fall: Spider-man 2: Guest starring Johnny Storm from F4 assuming their movie is a hit.

2022:

FEB: FANTASTIC FOUR 2: The Silver Surfer comes and warns of the coming of Galactus. The F4 square off against him and lose and it ends on a cliffhanger to be picked up on in:

MAY: AVENGERS: Annihilation featuring The F4, Doctor Strange, Antman, The Black Panther, Captain Marvel and the return of THOR going up against Galactus and stopping him from eating earth.

Nov/ December: THE BLACK WIDOW: After May's epic blowout, we end phase 4 on a smaller, unexpected note with a small intimate spy thriller film with Natasha at the center and guest starring Clint.


I love the way you set it up but for Black Panther 2 I wonder if there will be a post-credit scene or what you would do for it

Or for Doctor Strange 2 post credit scene

But I just love the set up but then I wonder if Ant Man 3 would be in your Phase 4 or Thor 4
 
What I personally would like to see is them being introduced in a cameo after the battle with Thanos...the world rebuilds, the heroes mourn whatever losses there are, New York being rebuilt, with a sudden portal from the Negative Zone (we don't know that at the time) with the quartet walking through...they look around, and Reed says "family, we are home"

Then we are entitled to two credits...

first is the mid-credit

Latveria...we see the kingdom for what it is, we go to Castle Doom where Doom is sitting on his throne watching the very footage we just saw of the F4's return...crushing his goblet, he stands up and in his demanding Eastern European accent, he says RICHARDS!

Post-credit

Space....we see Earth...then we pan away, very far away from it and we see the SILVER SURFER saying, "Master, another planet, teaming with life, waiting for your arrival."

GALACTUS..."yes herald, the great hunger is upon me."

FADE TO BLACK

As for what films, well a basic F4 film that sets up who they are and what they can do...Mole Man would work...

Doom is weaving his manipulative web throughout the MCU...Galactus may be the major threat coming, but Doom waiting in the shadows for universal dominon....stealing the power of the Surfer perhaps? Giving us a time travel piece with Iron Man in Doomquest. Stealing the Vibramium in Wakanda. All of this leading and culminating with Phase 6: SECRET WARS and the achievement of godhood for DOOM....
 
What I personally would like to see is them being introduced in a cameo after the battle with Thanos...the world rebuilds, the heroes mourn whatever losses there are, New York being rebuilt, with a sudden portal from the Negative Zone (we don't know that at the time) with the quartet walking through...they look around, and Reed says "family, we are home"

Then we are entitled to two credits...

first is the mid-credit

Latveria...we see the kingdom for what it is, we go to Castle Doom where Doom is sitting on his throne watching the very footage we just saw of the F4's return...crushing his goblet, he stands up and in his demanding Eastern European accent, he says RICHARDS!

Post-credit

Space....we see Earth...then we pan away, very far away from it and we see the SILVER SURFER saying, "Master, another planet, teaming with life, waiting for your arrival."

GALACTUS..."yes herald, the great hunger is upon me."

FADE TO BLACK

As for what films, well a basic F4 film that sets up who they are and what they can do...Mole Man would work...

Doom is weaving his manipulative web throughout the MCU...Galactus may be the major threat coming, but Doom waiting in the shadows for universal dominon....stealing the power of the Surfer perhaps? Giving us a time travel piece with Iron Man in Doomquest. Stealing the Vibramium in Wakanda. All of this leading and culminating with Phase 6: SECRET WARS and the achievement of godhood for DOOM....

Yes I like this but yeah I would have the F4 show up in Avengers Infinity War Part II like either near the end of the battle for Earth against Thanos or show up right after...either one is fine and set it up the exact same way like you

But then mid-credit and post credit scenes for your idea actually builds up the Fantastic Four reboot perfectly especially if Disney/Marvel get the rights back from FOX
 
I would love Marvel to experiment with more B and C list characters for random one off anthology movies.
Asgadian adventure with Sif or Valkyrie, Horror adventure with Werewolf by night, Beta Ray Bill space adventure etc.
They could brand them as...
Marvel Studios presents: Journey into Mystery or Marvel Studios presents: Tales to Astonish
 
Then in that case I would go with a Black Widow solo film
 
This is why Marvel NEEDS the F4 back. Theres so much you can pull from them that gives the MCU plenty of fodder to play with in Phases 4, 5 and 6. Galactus could be the big bad of Phase 4 but DR DOOM could be the overarching grand villain of phases 4, 5 and 6 like Thanos was for 1-3.
 
I would love Marvel to experiment with more B and C list characters for random one off anthology movies.
Asgadian adventure with Sif or Valkyrie, Horror adventure with Werewolf by night, Beta Ray Bill space adventure etc.
They could brand them as...
Marvel Studios presents: Journey into Mystery or Marvel Studios presents: Tales to Astonish

That actually sounds like a cool anthology series or film. Base it on some of Marvel's classic comic horror stories.
 
Fantastic Four with them in the 60s by them going on the first private space venture to test a light speed engine you play into actual real life history because the Apollo missions of the first man to walk the moon and you could play up the whole NASA thing...but with them disappearing then Doom would also disappear with them too since he would be on the same expedition

Fast forward 50 something years later into the future through time travel yes the time space continuum aspect similar to X-Men would play into factor here but instead of going back in time you are going forward in time

But as for The Skrulls I thought Universal or something had the rights to them or does FOX have the rights?

But with F4 they could be like the new Guardians of Phase 4
 

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