Namor the Sub-Mariner

[Yellow Cyclone]

hickman's namor is absolutely perfect. so much swagger and giving no crap about what others think

 

[Web-Head]

If they're already looking to cast Namor then Doctor Strange makes more sense than Black Panther 2

 

[Silvermoth]

I hope we get to see him do some ww2 stuff. Might even be some good Easter egg potential for the falcon and winter soldier series

 

[Silvermoth]

I reckon that spidey news put the nail in the coffin for namor. The Sony/marvel deal was held up as an example of how to make it work and now we know it hasn’t I don’t think marvel or Disney will try again with another studio

 

[Dark Raven]

I reckon that spidey news put the nail in the coffin for namor. The Sony/marvel deal was held up as an example of how to make it work and now we know it hasn’t I don’t think marvel or Disney will try again with another studio

I don't know about that. What about Hulk? He was used in team films but the distribution rights were still held by Universal. Why is Namor like Spidey and not like Hulk?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I reckon that spidey news put the nail in the coffin for namor. The Sony/marvel deal was held up as an example of how to make it work and now we know it hasn’t I don’t think marvel or Disney will try again with another studio

Eh... Namor's issues are more in line with Hulk and they still used Hulk.

 

[Silvermoth]

I don't know about that. What about Hulk? He was used in team films but the distribution rights were still held by Universal. Why is Namor like Spidey and not like Hulk?

Because namor was sold before hulk at a very different time.

Namor, like Spider-Man, was sold when marvel was nearly bankrupt just to keep the lights on. So they basically have the whole character.

Hulk’s rights were sold during marvel’s very brief independent studios period basically with the idea that universal would organise distribution but have no control over the product (that was before Disney bought marvel). That’s why hulk can appear in a supporting role but no longer as the lead

 

[InCali]

Because namor was sold before hulk at a very different time.

Namor, like Spider-Man, was sold when marvel was nearly bankrupt just to keep the lights on. So they basically have the whole character.

Hulk’s rights were sold during marvel’s very brief independent studios period basically with the idea that universal would organise distribution but have no control over the product (that was before Disney bought marvel). That’s why hulk can appear in a supporting role but no longer as the lead

Do you know that for sure or is that an assumption? I heard differently, but don't know if anyone knows for sure. Why wouldn't someone just let us know for sure what the scoop is???

 

[Web-Head]

As far as I know, Namor was like Hulk in that he can be used in team up films and whatnot, but he can't be in a stand-alone without Universal distributing.

He's not like Spider-Man or the X-Men because those required a film be in production by a certain time and he doesn't have such deal, obviously.

 

[InCali]

As far as I know, Namor was like Hulk in that he can be used in team up films and whatnot, but he can't be in a stand-alone without Universal distributing.

He's not like Spider-Man or the X-Men because those required a film be in production by a certain time and he doesn't have such deal, obviously.

That's as far as I know too, but, obviously, I don't know very far.

 

[Web-Head]

That's as far as I know too, but, obviously, I don't know very far.

Feige has commented on it once and all he really said was his rights were "tricky"

 

[psylockolussus]

I would just save Namor in a Fantastic Four film and phase 5 or 6.

 

[Boom]

What the hell kind of arrangement did Marvel make with this character? Namor hasn't been featured in a single movie since Marvel licensed the rights decades ago, yet they've never reverted back to them?

 

[Zarex]

What the hell kind of arrangement did Marvel make with this character? Namor hasn't been featured in a single movie since Marvel licensed the rights decades ago, yet they've never reverted back to them?

Mr. McKenzie's rights appear to be in a similar position to those of Banner. In order to get Hulk into the MCU before his rights with Universal lapsed, Marvel Studios granted the studio the right of first refusal to distribute future Hulk movies. So a Namor solo flick is off the table but he can appear in team up flicks.

But another potential problem with the Sub Mariner is overall rights ownership. Though his first appearance was in Marvel Comics #1, Namor was created by Bill Everett for an unreleased publication, Motion Pictures Funnies Weekly. Some have speculated that the Everett family has an ownership claim on the character since he wasn't created under a "work for hire" agreement. Feige could be referring to this when he said this in 2018 - "I think there’s a way to probably figure it out but it does have — it’s not as a clean or clear as the majority of the other characters."

Marvel Studios Boss Addresses Namor's Complicated Rights Status - IGN

 

[Breogan]

What's up with the Tenoch Huerta as Namor , Mabel Cadena as Namora, and Atlantis as a hidden Mesoamerican/Mayan civilization? As a counterpart to Wakanda? Rumors?
Sound like an interesting take on Atlantis.

Any truth?

Black Panther 2: el mexicano Tenoch Huerta interpretaría a Namor

Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - la actriz mexicana Mabel Cadena podría interpretar a Namora

 

[Breogan]

And apparently his cousin rogue Atlantean warlord Attuma played by Josué Maychi
They really are going all in #Aztlántis.

Plato's "beyond the pillars of Hercules" apparently meant straight through to the Seno Mexicano and the Yucatán Channel

I imagine Attuma will be the main catalyst between the two "nations" and the true villain, and Namor somewhat being billed as villain, comes off more noble Anti-Hero as he should.

 

[LivingBrocholy]

And apparently his cousin rogue Atlantean warlord Attuma played by Josué Maychi
They really are going all in

I imagine Attuma will be the main catalyst between the two and the true villain, and Namor somewhat being billed as villain, comes off more Anti-Hero as should be.

Looks like Platos "beyond the pillars of Hercules" meant straight through to the Seno Mexicano and the Yucatán Channel

Race-swaps pisses me off a lot. But in this case is justified. In the myth is beyond pillars of Hercules as you said, it has been theorized that was related to Mesoamericans and the take could be different from what DC showed us.

 

[The Lazarus Pit]

So hyped for my boy Namor! I was always more of an Aquaman fan, but I gotta give respect to the OG here.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

Well there are MANY theories out there, this is just 1 that supports a Mesoamerican Atlantis.
Click this link title to find out & see what you think.
"Believe in Atlantis? These archaeologists want to win you back to science"

 

[Zarex]

Race-swaps pisses me off a lot. But in this case is justified. In the myth is beyond pillars of Hercules as you said, it has been theorized that was related to Mesoamericans and the take could be different from what DC showed us.

In this case it definitely isn't a race-swap. Namor has usually been depicted as somewhat lighter skinned than Mr. Huerta. But while his poppa is of Irish descent Mr. McKenzie has never been caucasian in the comics.

 

[Breogan]

Yep, in this case being a fictional place and appearance, not on any maps, they had plenty of room to explore, something other than Grecian/Mediterranean, and I'm glad they took a creative opportunity, they look great! If they'd went Polynesian, south pacific/SE Asia, off the the Indian ocean, the Canarias, the Azores, the Celtic Sea, Caribbean etc, or something else, I would have cerebrated that to. The legend (and his look) allows for it.

As for the- McKenzie must be Irish/Gaelic - argument surfacing on line, (as if it maters in the world reinterpreting blue skinned people) the new cast all look great, if they can act too, that's fine with me. From what I've seen both Huerta and Cardena can deliver.
As to the specifics of Huerta's ancestry, he's certainly native american, although likley part Spanish too (last name), many of the settlers in Mexico were Galician and Basque, (northern Spain) who apparently also settled in Ireland- The Irish-Galician Connection
So if someones going to nitpick genetics on the characters father's side, he's likley closer than they want to believe.

Also after well over a decade, some 25 films, and not one Latin/American representation (sorry Luis and Mr. Delmar don't count) , it's nice to see it land all-in, on one of Marvel's first, and one of the most interesting hero/anti-heroes.

 

[Breogan]

And apparently his cousin rogue Atlantean warlord Attuma played by Josué Maychi
They really are going all in #Aztlántis.

Plato's "beyond the pillars of Hercules" apparently meant straight through to the Seno Mexicano and the Yucatán Channel

I imagine Attuma will be the main catalyst between the two "nations" and the true villain, and Namor somewhat being billed as villain, comes off more noble Anti-Hero as he should.

While "beyond the pillars of Hercules" through to the Seno Mexicano If you look at the old Spanish map for the Gulf Coast and #Aztlántis reference to Aztlán were just fun play on words,

Apparently they will legit reference - Tlālōcān for Atlantis

Tlālōcān [t͡ɬaːˈloːkaːn̥] ('place of Tlāloc') is described in several Aztec codices as a paradise, ruled over by the rain deity Tlāloc -. It absorbed those who died through drowning (or had otherwise been killed by manifestations of water such as by flood or in storms by strikes of lightning) -
Tlālōcān has also been recognized in certain wall paintings of the much earlier Teotihuacan culture. Among modern Nahua-speaking peoples of the Gulf Coast,
(further read the wiki description, it even contains analogues rational to place Marvels supposed first "mutant" there.)

As well as contemporary use modern religious practices- incorporate the concept of Tlālōcān as a netherworld and shamanic destination - achieved during dreams - via underground waterways, commonly a whirlpool...

So there it is, legit in the mythology.
Which if they are working into Marvel mythology and character(s) is sensational!

 

[Breogan]

Two Worlds collide....

What's already been set off?
And who will be their common enemy, to inadvertently unite them?

 

[Breogan]

I don't know about that. What about Hulk? He was used in team films but the distribution rights were still held by Universal. Why is Namor like Spidey and not like Hulk?

Eh... Namor's issues are more in line with Hulk and they still used Hulk.

..That’s why hulk can appear in a supporting role but no longer as the lead

As far as I know, Namor was like Hulk in that he can be used in team up films and whatnot, but he can't be in a stand-alone without Universal distributing.

So a Namor solo flick is off the table but he can appear in team up flicks.

Marvel Studios Boss Addresses Namor's Complicated Rights Status - IGN

So if like Hulk, Namor can't have his own films, and can only appear as a "guest" in other's films. via Dr. Strange, Black Panther possibly F4, etc.

Can they launch a Defenders film franchise, starring the original Trio; Hulk, Namor, Strange, (essentially Marvel's second Trinity after Cap, Iron-Man. Thor) giving both Hulk and Namor a place to be fully developed more blatantly as the lead characters, without actually billing them as such, just under the Defenders brand.?

Add Tessa Thompson Valkyrie and you have a pretty great next faze lead team.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'd like a proper Defenders film. And now that Marvel have Silver Surfer too, they can add him to the line up. Now if only they hadn't ruined Hellcat in Jessica Jones. But hopefully we can get a reboot of her character to give us a proper one.