Nell2ThaIzzay said:
And just as you genuinely dislike the movie, we genuinely like the movie.
I haven't seen anyone calling anyone else a "whiney fanboy" or anything else because they didn't like the movie.
What I have seen is yourself, LastSunrise, and Disclaimer, and others, calling people like X-Maniac and those of us who liked it "loyalists", or whatever else, saying we need to "raise our standards".
LastSunrise, I appreciate that you can respect my viewpoint and my opinion, but why can you not respect X-Maniac's as well? I have had plenty of disagreements with X-Maniac in the past, and I feel that sometimes he's had unrealistic "desires" so to speak, for what could have and should have happened with these movies. But never once have I ever seen him insult anyone for their opinion. And on the same token, I've never insulted him for his. We've had our agreements and disagreements, debates against each other, or in the case of X-Men: The Last Stand, debates on each other's side. I've never seen X-Maniac, nor a lot of the people you're calling out, attack anyone because of their opinion. They've expressed disagreement of a certain view, and debated it.
You can respect my opinion, and I appreciate that. But why can't you express their's? I don't think it's fair to X-Maniac and the others that enjoyed the movie that there opinion isn't respected because they didn't make a novel of a post explaining why they enjoyed the movie. If you actually read X-Maniac's debates and what he says, you will see why he enjoyed the movie. Certain things just didn't bother him.
I visited my brother on the other side of the country a couple weeks ago, and after a trip to the comic shop, we were talking about the movie. He hasn't seen it yet, and I was asking him what he thought of the previous 2. He liked them, because although he's a comic fan, he doesn't expect 100% comic book accuracy in the movies. And I told him his enjoyment of X-Men: The Last Stand will depend of how much inaccuracy you're willing to accept.
And that's all it is. Those of us who enjoyed it, the things that bothered you don't bother us. And as you can see from this post I created to start this thread, the things that you find inconsistant, we can see how it actually works with what's been established.
To ntcrawler, my opinion is not up for debate. Just as yours isn't. I'm not telling you to think like me. I'm telling you what I think. Why I think what happened in X-Men: The Last Stand fits with what's been established in X-Men and X-Men: United. I think that Jean's "nightmares" she mentions in X2 are the hints of her alter ego beginning to surface a bit. You don't buy it? Fine. That's why you didn't enjoy the movie, because you didn't find it to be consistant. I did. And that's not up for debate.
I respect you because you're intelligent, honest, and have a great understanding of the comics. You haven't insulted anyone for difference of opinion, nor have you claimed your opinion to be an absolute fact.
X-Maniac has been rude, unintelligent, and has gone out of his way to constantly twist and turn others words just so he can make sure his argument is right and others are wrong. When facts about the movie, about the comics, and so forth have been presented to him, instead of trying to learn and understand where we might be coming from, the defensive side of him kicks in and all of a sudden he's insulting us by calling us whiners, defending Fox blindly, and making fun of us "whiney fanboys".
Maybe he's responded to you a lot differently than he has to myself, ntcrawler, Kurosawa, and The Batman.
But as far as I'm concerned; I respect you Nell a hell of a lot more than I'll ever respect X-Maniac. At least you provide intelligent reasoning, is fair, and don't try to patronize anyone because of their displeasure with this movie.
I don't respect posters who blindly follow a product, who claim themselves to be know it alls, and have even gone as far as to place mocking signatures of other posters at the end of their post.
I don't respect people who, instead of educating themselves on the subject, would rather argue, lie, spin words, and make excuses just to make sure that they're right and you're wrong. What he doesn't understand is that there are people who are passionate about comic book movies.
Imagine if the Batman fans just stopped screaming after Batman and Robin? There never would've been a Batman Begins and more than likely Ashton Kutcher(who was in the main running to be Bruce/Batman) would've got the role and so on. So fans can definitely make a difference. I'm just expressing my opinion, offering comic book and movie facts, and somehow or another it ruffles peoples featers who are uneducated on the particular concept.
What gets me about X3 is the changes, the politics, and the lies that were said to get people in the theater. I'll be frank with you. I wouldn't have had any problems with this film and I probably wouldn't be as bitter about it if Ratner, Kinberg, and Penn had been straight up about it instead of lying their asses off when the heat got too hot.
If they had just said, some changes deviate from the source material, yes we killed Cyclops, and yes we're using the same script that AICN posted, I'm sure no one would feel as angry as some do, you know? But the fact that they lied and try to justify their actions? No. It doesn't fly with me.
My point is, we shouldn't be attacking each other at all.
