Nell2ThaIzzay's "Last Stand"

[The Batman]

no offense, but you're looking like a jerk in the way you're going about it. you just won't let it go and it's not coming across well.

I see. My main idea was to show PLENTY of examples where supporters were downright disrespectful. I should've done it all in 1 or 2 posts

 

[newwaveboy87]

precisely. i've seen you at the Batman boards, so i know what you're normally like. act like that over here.

 

[X-Maniac]

Man...You really need to stop mentioning me looking for old posts...cause it really seems like you're just mad you cant go on looking like the mature optimist who never said anything bad. You just wanted you ridiculous claims and rude behavior to stay in the past, and now you're quite upset I've brought it back to the surface.

Don't presume to know that I'm 'mad' or 'upset'... I'm not, I couldn't care less about those old posts, please spend as much time as you like on that.

Your resurrection of old posts reflects more on you than on those whose posts you are spending so much time finding. You are trolling and flame-baiting, quite clearly.

I have no qualms over what I said, and I have nothing against the person it was said to. That person is able to speak intelligently on here, but you are a stranger to intelligent debate. You do need to find some other interests.

Those old posts do NOT justify the current hostility on here. You are part of this current hostility - that is plain to see. Someone who has had almost nothing constructive to say on this forum at all.

All you are doing is stirring up trouble. We can all see that. Grow up, you are being very childish. No one is backing you up.

 

[X-Maniac]

I see. My main idea was to show PLENTY of examples where supporters were downright disrespectful. I should've done it all in 1 or 2 posts

And you had to dig for examples from three months ago, when the movie was released and emotions running high.

Those examples do not explain the current hostility from those who DISLIKED the movie. What is stirring them up again after all this time?

 

[Jennifer Walters]

The bickerings and all that mess is the main reason, I, a person for much of the production of this film posted very regularly in almost all threads created on it, have left.

I for one don't want to judge someone who didn't enjoy the film like I did and call them a lesser fan, but I sure as hell don't want them to say the same about me just because I did and I believe I shouldn't have to put up with that. It's disrespectful either way. Coming from either side of the board. So I just chose very quickly after the film was released and emotions ran high and mighty to leave this board. I occassionaly post ever now and then here, but over and all, for me discussing X-Men: The Last Stand on the Hype is over just because of the unnatural bickering between everyone and their grandmothers.

 

[Morg]

I see. My main idea was to show PLENTY of examples where supporters were downright disrespectful. I should've done it all in 1 or 2 posts

*growls*

I don't care, so we have some people disrespect Batman movie? Big deal we get them all the time, we don't need to bring up old wounds. Move on!

 

[The Batman]

precisely. i've seen you at the Batman boards, so i know what you're normally like. act like that over here.

honestly. its very hard to act like that over here. most of the people here like being stuck in some chaotic circle of whining, whining, whining. Or when they debate, they like to twist their facts around. Or, when having threads dedicated to a certain character, they have threads simply showcasing the actor half naked, or talk about things that mostly dont relate to the character at all.

The Batboards are simply much better. They have debates that arent like the one here. Instead of making threads like this, they actually try to do things to make the board better. It was great having a sort of bat signal for the mod to come in and set things straight.

And then some of these people tell ME to grow up. Making up excuses, IMO, is nothing grown up people do. I wont say that whatever i said months ago was done out of anger when i'm still acting the same way months later, or made no effort what so ever to apologize for what i said. And that goes for supporters and pessimists alike.

 

[The Batman]

*growls*

I don't care, so we have some people disrespect Batman movie? Big deal we get them all the time, we don't need to bring up old wounds. Move on!

I guess so.

 

[newwaveboy87]

honestly. its very hard to act like that over here. most of the people here like being stuck in some chaotic circle of whining, whining, whining. Or when they debate, they like to twist their facts around. Or, when having threads dedicated to a certain character, they have threads simply showcasing the actor half naked, or talk about things that mostly dont relate to the character at all.

The Batboards are simply much better. They have debates that arent like the one here. Instead of making threads like this, they actually try to do things to make the board better. It was great having a sort of bat signal for the mod to come in and set things straight.

And then some of these people tell ME to grow up. Making up excuses, IMO, is nothing grown up people do. I wont say that whatever i said months ago was done out of anger when i'm still acting the same way months later, or made no effort what so ever to apologize for what i said. And that goes for supporters and pessimists alike.

i know, but at least TRY

 

[The Batman]

i know, but at least TRY

What would help is if threads like this werent started.

Seriously, they're just flamebait

 

[X-Maniac]

honestly. its very hard to act like that over here. most of the people here like being stuck in some chaotic circle of whining, whining, whining. Or when they debate, they like to twist their facts around. Or, when having threads dedicated to a certain character, they have threads simply showcasing the actor half naked, or talk about things that mostly dont relate to the character at all.

The Batboards are simply much better. They have debates that arent like the one here. Instead of making threads like this, they actually try to do things to make the board better. It was great having a sort of bat signal for the mod to come in and set things straight.

And then some of these people tell ME to grow up. Making up excuses, IMO, is nothing grown up people do. I wont say that whatever i said months ago was done out of anger when i'm still acting the same way months later, or made no effort what so ever to apologize for what i said. And that goes for supporters and pessimists alike.

My point is that you were not being very helpful or constructive. It's not up to you to assess how angry I am or whether I should apologise for something long forgotten in a heated discussion three months ago, especially when everyone involved has moved on. It's also not relevant to the current tensions here, in which certain people appear trapped in a vortex of stubborn complaining.

There are strong views and emotions on both sides. If you study my posts, you'll see the lengthy debates over the third movie and its relationship with the previous two movies.

When people say 'there was no continuity with X1 and X2' and I can plainly see the continuities, then myself and others are going to respond, and say 'but hang on, there was this part and this dialogue' etc etc.

Controversial elements in the third movie have divided people on here - and it's not that there is a large group that support the controversial elements. It's that some people didn't find the entire movie experience wrecked because of them.

As for Kuro, he/she/it is an anomaly, grown in some sort of agar dish somewhere... That person hasn't even seen the movie and is driven by unhealthy blind hatred, and unable to construct a rational response, so they are immaterial to the discussions on this board. Kuro doesn't feature anywhere on the board's natural spectrum, he/she/it is some kind of blip that can be discounted.

 

[danoyse]

Xavier knew enough about Logan's past from reading his mind and his overall knowledge of things to realize that these were things that Logan would rather not know. In addition, Xavier understood that sometimes when a person experiences memory loss, the best way to gain that knowledge is to let them rediscover it at their own pace, in their own way, instead of shoving information into a person's face. Seeing some of the disturbing things that Stryker told Logan, like "you were always an animal, I just gave you claws!" points to the fact that in his past existence Logan was not a nice guy. Towards the end of the movie Logan decides that he would rather take his chances with this new group of people he now knows he can trust with his life and start over, instead of learning about the monster he may have been before. Therefore, Xavier's wisdom had shown and he was right in how he had handled the situation with Logan's memories and his past life. A man like this I have no doubt would have used a more understanding and responsible approach towards Jean than what we were treated to in X3. It was inconsistent with Xavier from X1 and X2 and unbecoming of the character to just smother and control her like that.

But then he didn't keep his promise to Logan in X1: "I'll make a deal with you Logan, give me 48 hours to find out what Magneto wants with you, and I give you my word that I will use all of my power to piece together what you have lost, and what you're looking for."

He left out the part where he wasn't going to tell him everything, so he could figure it out on his own. In X2 he told Logan that the results would be the same if he read his mind again...that the mind isn't simply a box that can be unlocked.

But he did know more, and he was keeping it from him.

Self-discovery is a wonderful thing...but you'd think after the way Logan had nearly gotten himself killed saving Rogue the way he did at Liberty Island, he deserved a little more from from the Professor than the memory scavenger hunt he sent him on at the end of X1.

His excuse to Magneto was that Logan's mind was "still fragile." Magneto taunted him that he was just "afraid of losing one of his precious X-Men."

With the revelation in X3 that Xavier had blocked the dangerous parts of Jean's telepathy, it fits right in with Magneto's taunting about losing his "precious" X-Men, because we'd already seen him manipulate what Logan knew about his past.

It's what makes Magneto more (and better) than just a villian, as Xavier's oldest and closest friend, he can easily point out the things that make him vulnerable. He's not going to give him that same respect that he gets from his students.

 

[danoyse]

The Batboards are simply much better. They have debates that arent like the one here. Instead of making threads like this, they actually try to do things to make the board better. It was great having a sort of bat signal for the mod to come in and set things straight.

Then...to the Batboards!!!

(sorry, couldn't resist it. )

Well, what makes more sense...someone like Nell posting that the attack complaints have gotten out of hand, or complaining about a complaint thread existing?

 

[The Batman]

well...what makes more sense...starting yet ANOTHER complaint about complaints thread when you could actually start a thread that prohibits immature flaming...on BOTH sides...or simply learn to put certain people on ignore if they bother you that much, and learn not to make complaint threads when you know its just flame bait

 

[danoyse]

well...what makes more sense...starting yet ANOTHER complaint about complaints thread when you could actually start a thread that prohibits immature flaming...on BOTH sides...or simply learn to put certain people on ignore if they bother you that much, and learn not to make complaint threads when you know its just flame bait

Actually, Nell started this off with a pretty comprehensive review of what he liked and disliked about X3, how his opinion changed when he saw it the 2nd time...hence the two different reviews he had posted back then.

I think his point was that he was just laying out why he liked the movie, why he changed his mind about it, and why there's no reason to label anyone who liked or disliked it with the incessant name-calling that's taken over most of the threads now.

It was never a flat-out complaint thread, I think he was actually just trying to make a point about his own opinion and try to stay free of any name calling towards himself.

 

[The Batman]

Actually, Nell started this off with a pretty comprehensive review of what he liked and disliked about X3, how his opinion changed when he saw it the 2nd time...hence the two different reviews he had posted back then.

I think his point was that he was just laying out why he liked the movie, why he changed his mind about it, and why there's no reason to label anyone who liked or disliked it with the incessant name-calling that's taken over most of the threads now.

It was never a flat-out complaint thread, I think he was actually just trying to make a point about his own opinion and try to stay free of any name calling towards himself.

but the thing is...barely anyone says anything bad to nell. I respect his opinion.

 

[danoyse]

BTW, why are people so afraid of Kurosawa? What did I miss here? What is it about him that makes some people shudder when he enters a thread?

Seriously? I think Kurosawa is hilarious.

Kurosawa hates all things Wolverine, who has apparently been ruining his life since 1974. He hates all 3 X-Men movies, especially X3, even though he hasn't seen it.

It's his opinion, and he's more than entitled to it...but just the pure vile hatred that pours out of his posts towards one single fictional character has just been downright entertaining. By now, I think he's blamed Wolverine for stealing focus to global warming.

It's like "Snakes on a Plane"...it makes no sense whatsoever, but you can still have fun watching it.

 

[danoyse]

but the thing is...barely anyone says anything bad to nell. I respect his opinion.

He was sticking up for everyone who's getting attacked for liking the movie. He just posted his own personal defense against those who call people loyalists, or accuse them of being easily entertained or blindly following whatever is given to them by telling them why he liked it, and why that doesn't make him (or anyone else) the names they're being called.

At least that's how I interpreted his post.

 

[chaseter]

I am just tired of all the constant repetitive complaining and the positive review threads being overrun by complainers. Just look at this thread...a lot of people agreed with Nell and then the complainers come in and fights break out.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Your resurrection of old posts reflects more on you than on those whose posts you are spending so much time finding. You are trolling and flame-baiting, quite clearly.

Wait... so because Batman was trying to use posts that support his opinion, he's a troll?

 

[The Batman]

Wait... so because Batman was trying to use posts that support his opinion, he's a troll?

Apparently. But...thats done now....

 

[WorthyStevens]

I am just tired of all the constant repetitive complaining and the positive review threads being overrun by complainers. Just look at this thread...a lot of people agreed with Nell and then the complainers come in and fights break out.

Complainers = People who had a differing opinion than to those who liked/loved the movie.

 

[newwaveboy87]

ok...this complainers/Fox fanboys/Singer loyalists/apologists/sheep/etc. name calling needs to stop. we're not in middle school anymore. let's grow up and act like we're the mature adults we should be.

 

[chaseter]

Complainers = People who had a differing opinion than to those who liked/loved the movie.

Loyalists/idiots=people who had a differing opinion to those who hated/disliked the movie. I liked the movie but I don't make threads or go into 'hate' threads and voice my opinion or constantly mention everything that went right with the movie. That is the sole difference between people who liked and disliked the movie...let me rephrase that...people who liked the movie and people who disliked the movie yet want everyone to hear why they don't like it. Some people on here are still civilized...HOLY F*** PeeWee Herman is on Adult Swim now!!!...WTF????

 

[The Kid]

people are still arguing about this cash-in movie?